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I stopped reading at "LEGAL OWNERS". This is very likely to start a flame war.
 
How do you even illegally own something?
The very definition of ownership is when you attain the right to 'have' something by either getting it handed to you by some official or purchase it, etc. Pirating it, last I checked, does not give you ownership of anything. It's a common misconception regarding what ownership is.
 
How do you even illegally own something?
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In terms of copyright law or stolen goods? You don't. But there are many possible cases where you can own something you're not legally allowed to. For example, in the United States, felons may not legally own guns, but they can still have one that they purchased with their own money from someone who was the previous rightful owner, thus they illegally own it.
 
This is illegal. Final Period.
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Talking about something and how its done isn't illegal, even linking to places who have it wouldn't be illegal. The owners of a forum aren't responsible for restricting the free flow of information, if the files were hosted on this forum then Square Enix could request the files be taken down. Although since this is just a forum that doesn't host files as far as I know, they can't even do that. I doubt Square Enix is going to start suing their fans who add more replay value to their games, at the most if they decide to anything it would be to request whoever is hosting the file to take it down. If somebody owns a game, they can modify it as they wish, as that is fair use. Only when distributing it does it enter the grey area where they if they want to go after their fans for promoting their games, they can. Although if they wanted to shut down a project for copyright violation, they can do this regardless of whether people are using their models.

Also considering the haven't went after the people who made Avalance, I don't think they are as anal about people making fan games and mods as your post suggests. Also for it to be illegal, I think they would need to show that the usage causes them to lose profits or for the person to be making money off their work.
 
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Talking about something and how its done isn't illegal, even linking to places who have it wouldn't be illegal. The owners of a forum aren't responsible for restricting the free flow of information, if the files were hosted on this forum then Square Enix could request the files be taken down. Although since this is just a forum that doesn't host files as far as I know, they can't even do that. I doubt Square Enix is going to start suing their fans who add more replay value to their games, at the most if they decide to anything it would be to request whoever is hosting the file to take it down. If somebody owns a game, they can modify it as they wish, as that is fair use. Only when distributing it does it enter the grey area where they if they want to go after their fans for promoting their games, they can. Although if they wanted to shut down a project for copyright violation, they can do this regardless of whether people are using their models.

Also considering the haven't went after the people who made Avalance, I don't think they are as anal about people making fan games and mods as your post suggests. Also for it to be illegal, I think they would need to show that the usage causes them to lose profits or for the person to be making money off their work.
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I think who the law protects is the designers too either the forum moders seize to deal with those models from respect to the original designers. I think what law protects is the rip from an original image to "steal" someone else's work, while at the same time I oppose to any copyright infringement that prevents the evolution of moding.
 
If you actually wanted to be exact on laws then any of the models on this site that even refer to the original characters of FF7 even there names is copyright infringment as SquareEnix never released a SDK for the game.

Even if you modeled a character from scratch completely, its still illegal.

(all this from a Top Lawyer i know)

The only way for anybody on this site to release a model of a character is to get direct permission from SquareEnix and that will never officially happen as they have already said that FF7 will be left alone. No re-release, No-remake they want to keep the game as the classic it was, Final!

I looked into this as there were debuts on the model of Tifa i was doing that i copied from reference pictures from another game.

Hence why i am now not doing any more models of any kind from now on (unless for personnal use).

I suggest any models that have been released on this site have all download links removed except those that are not of character models.
 
If you actually wanted to be exact on laws then any of the models on this site that even refer to the original characters of FF7 even there names is copyright infringment as SquareEnix never released a SDK for the game.

Even if you modeled a character from scratch completely, its still illegal.

(all this from a Top Lawyer i know)

The only way for anybody on this site to release a model of a character is to get direct permission from SquareEnix and that will never officially happen as they have already said that FF7 will be left alone. No re-release, No-remake they want to keep the game as the classic it was, Final!

I looked into this as there were debuts on the model of Tifa i was doing that i copied from reference pictures from another game.

Hence why i am now not doing any more models of any kind from now on (unless for personnal use).

I suggest any models that have been released on this site have all download links removed except those that are not of character models.
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http://www.finalfantasyviipc.com/en

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qr4TgU4SKLc
 
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The only way for anybody on this site to release a model of a character is to get direct permission from SquareEnix and that will never officially happen as they have already said that FF7 will be left alone. No re-release, No-remake they want to keep the game as the classic it was, Final
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Square recently stated that there WILL be a FFVII remake, if they can produce a game which surpasses the success of FVII, which is very unlikely obviously.

Before you call me a liar, the source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/26/square-enix-reveals-conditions-for-final-fantasy-vii-remake
 
No, it doesn't. Let me give you another example of this logic in action to make it a bit clearer.

Say I make the claim "If I am not bitten by a radioactive spider, I will not become Spider-Man." Does this mean that if I am bitten by one, I will become Spider-Man? No. In fact, chances are that getting bitten by a radioactive spider would just give me cancer.

This is the same sort of logic. They said they would not make one before they outdo it, but this does not necessarily mean they will after. It simply means that this is a condition which must be met before they even consider it.
 
no they also said they cant waste resources re-making a already successful game and that it would take them too long to even re-make the game and the concern that the cost would out do the actual sales. In other words they aernt going to do it because they dont want to waste resources on it
 
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No, it doesn't. Let me give you another example of this logic in action to make it a bit clearer.

Say I make the claim "If I am not bitten by a radioactive spider, I will not become Spider-Man." Does this mean that if I am bitten by one, I will become Spider-Man? No. In fact, chances are that getting bitten by a radioactive spider would just give me cancer.

This is the same sort of logic. They said they would not make one before they outdo it, but this does not necessarily mean they will after. It simply means that this is a condition which must be met before they even consider it.
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Why did nobody tell me this in the first place? I have been talking like that for years.
 
In defense of people crowing for a remake, S-E has been a bit convoluted in their answers over the years.

http://kotaku.com/386438/ffvii-director-on-chances-of-a-remake
Cliffs: Kitase says that the only way they'll be able to make it is once production on FF XIII and other large productions were done and the core team could be reassembled.  The result is false hope coming from an excuse as to why it can't happen.

http://kotaku.com/5476141/kitase-ffvii-remake-only-possible-if-it-can-be-done-in-a-year
Cliffs: We'd love to do it, says S-E, but we don't know if we can do it in a justifiable time frame.  Wada didn't help his case saying that S-E will look into making it.

That's only a few articles I found on Kotaku.  S-E has a habit of trying to placate fans while not committing to anything.  The general theme of the articles seem to go "We want to do this, but we're not sure it's feasible due to -insert random poor excuse-".  At one point, Kitase said it would take 10 times the time of production for XIII.  So, 30-40 years?  Obviously a gross over exaggeration, but you get the idea.

My plan for people crying for a remake will be to point them to the PC re-release and then tell them to get HD mods (once it's confirmed that the re-release is modable like the original release).
 
In defense of people crowing for a remake, S-E has been a bit convoluted in their answers over the years.

http://kotaku.com/386438/ffvii-director-on-chances-of-a-remake
Cliffs: Kitase says that the only way they'll be able to make it is once production on FF XIII and other large productions were done and the core team could be reassembled.  The result is false hope coming from an excuse as to why it can't happen.

http://kotaku.com/5476141/kitase-ffvii-remake-only-possible-if-it-can-be-done-in-a-year
Cliffs: We'd love to do it, says S-E, but we don't know if we can do it in a justifiable time frame.  Wada didn't help his case saying that S-E will look into making it.

That's only a few articles I found on Kotaku.  S-E has a habit of trying to placate fans while not committing to anything.  The general theme of the articles seem to go "We want to do this, but we're not sure it's feasible due to -insert random poor excuse-".  At one point, Kitase said it would take 10 times the time of production for XIII.  So, 30-40 years?  Obviously a gross over exaggeration, but you get the idea.

My plan for people crying for a remake will be to point them to the PC re-release and then tell them to get HD mods (once it's confirmed that the re-release is modable like the original release).
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If they want a game, nearly as successful as FFVII, square to stop dumbing down their games...

They have to make the games less linear (and bring back the freaking world map! also the vehicles...) Also:

get better story writers, Do LESS cinematics (we don't want to watch a movie after all, that's not even exciting), add more side quests, various story branches and multiple endings, add easter eggs and secrets, something like gold-saucer (but don't overdo it with the mini-games), a combat system like FFVII or Golden Sun just with updated graphics (imagine how the summons could look like now) MATERIA-like SYSTEM.

If they don't do that, they're not authorized to complain, why nobody buys it.  ;D

There's a reason after all, why FFVII was so successful...

My plan for people crying for a remake will be to point them to the PC re-release and then tell them to get HD mods (once it's confirmed that the re-release is modable like the original release).
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I'm kinda afraid that they will protect the re-release version against modding....
 
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lol

This "top lawyer" better go back to law school, considering names can't be copyrighted.
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Names can be trademarked.  So it's feasible that the lawyer friend told him that, but it was regurgitated as copyrighted.

Squaresoft copyrighted FFVII when it was released, and one would think that would lend protection to the characters as well.  Characters themselves are not directly protected, but given the way unfair competition laws are written, rights holders can claim an infringement if you drop a character into a new setting.  You can argue fair use most of the time (especially in the case of non-profit situations; fanfic, modding, etc).  I last studied copyright law in 2002, and given how much the digital landscape has changed law, I'm not 100% accurate on my copyright perspective anymore.
 
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