A Perfect AC Cloud Model

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1 when did VGA turn into a d**khead he used to be a cool guy
2 ripping models is illegal when the company own a game which they dont as of 2008 because of licensing laws seen a SQUARE-SOFT did a merger in 2003 and and ff7 was made in the 90s and never reclaimed copyright for the game under square-enix they had five years to claim and it didnt happen all they own now is the brand final fantasy but any individual title before the merger is rightfully ours and thats the law also square wouldnt get on your back about it as it is eidos who owns the pc ff7 license which is now a sub company of square so enjoy
 
Im not sure if this thread is dead or not, but none of this makes any sense. How can you say adding an AC cloud in FFVII is illegal when modifying the game is not? Technically speaking both are illegal b/c they conflict with Square Enix's Copy Rights and tampering their content without their permission. Its like trying to say its ok rob a store, but its not ok to rob a bank....

This forum is contradicting itself within its own rules. I think the real reason why the AC cloud is no longer available is b/c its a popular mod and was being over downloaded by this forum and other sites also permission was not granted to use it and the members of this forum  just didn't want the downloading traffic coming from this site. Modding this game is illegal period no matter how you try to splice it. Its just a poor excuse to say AC Cloud is illegal to use in this game, when you have other forums that mod games with characters outside the game on a daily basis. Its not like Square is gonna check on this site's action. You people are being over paranoid. Sorry if you think I'm rude, just speaking my mind with hard logical facts here.
 
The problem isn't with modding things. The problem is with getting content from other games without owning the games. If someone wanted to make an AC-style Cloud model that was 100% original, that's fine. If they want to steal parts from Kingdom Hearts or Crisis Core, that's not; by distributing that model, they are distributing part of a commercial, copyrighted game. By distributing a completely original model, they are only redistributing their own work.
 
But how do you know if the AC cloud was from another game or not? unless the uploader himself said otherwise. I don't know the full story about this incident, so maybe the distributor stole the work from the original creator besides Square. It just sounds funny to call a model import illegal when up scaling and re texturing a licensed game is also illegal and this forum supports that. I do understand what your coming from though stolen work is beyond toleration.
 
Look, you'll be able to argue this forever and ever, but the rules won't change.
And it's not too difficult to see if a model is actually ripped from another game or not. The easiest way to do so would be to do a side by side comparsion in blender, for example.
 
I'm not trying to create a strike against the forum rules it just sounds blunt to say 1 thing is illegal and the other isn't, but it is. All I'm saying is that if taking down a mod that was illegally ripped, then whats stopping this forum from not taking down all the mods here that are illegally modifying the game? Your concerned about the legal rights, but at the same time this forum is supporting illegal modifications. I'm not arguing I'm just questioning the rules here b/c they seem to be positive/negative toward modding. Yea stealing is wrong and I agree, but you cant say redesigning a licensed game is ok without permission. For the record I have the AC Cloud Model, so don't mistaken me for pouting over a download link.
 
i know for a fact the ac cloud in kulas ac complete mod has a ripped texture form kh2.
 
Even if it is my question still stands. I'm trying to figure out how illegal modifications, such as "Bootleg" is not as illegal toward a ripped model......
 
There is nothing inherently illegal about modifying the game. The only reasons it could be illegal is if it:

1. Cracks DRM in some way.
2. Contains copyrighted content.

Regarding the second one: Most of our staff have the games these models are ripped from, and can easily check to see if a model is actually fan-made, or simply stolen from an official game. The reason bootleg is okay is because all of the content in it is made by Qhimm.com users. Kula's AC models are illegal because they contain content (models, textures, etc.) that has been STOLEN from other Square-Enix games, without permission.

So to reiterate: Modifications are not illegal, UNLESS THEY CONTAIN STOLEN CONTENT.
 
ah so modifying a licensed game without permission from the company that created it is not illegal? hmmm.  I understand that bootleg was created by Qhimm, but I don't think Qhimm works for Square enough to put his models over their work. You see where I'm coming from? But since FFVII is such an old game honestly I don't think any of this really matters especially if its ripped models. I respect the forum rules don't get me wrong here. Its good to have debates
 
the ripped models are from much more recent games
such as Dissidia 012
 
ah so modifying a licensed game without permission from the company that created it is not illegal? hmmm.
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As long as you're not distributing a pre-modified copy of the game. This is why everything here requires the user to already have the game.
 
ah so modifying a licensed game without permission from the company that created it is not illegal? hmmm.  I understand that bootleg was created by Qhimm, but I don't think Qhimm works for Square enough to put his models over their work. You see where I'm coming from? But since FFVII is such an old game honestly I don't think any of this really matters especially if its ripped models. I respect the forum rules don't get me wrong here. Its good to have debates
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I'm not an expert so you may take my opinion lightly..
I think modifying games is ok as long as you dont sell or distribute the said modifed games as your own. After all its impossible to make sure or keep track that the games you sold won't be modified.

With that logic I think this forum is safe.. since they are not selling or distributing a new modified FF7 Game.
they even require you buying the original ff7 game.
The only things distributed here are tools or contents that are originally made by forum members.

[EDIT] sorry for repeating what you just said covarr, we kinda post almost at the same time.LoL
 
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I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here.

The gist of the rule is: don't distribute copyrighted content. Distributing mods that use textures from thinks like Crisis Core and the like means creating downloads that contain copyrighted content. But things like bootleg are fine because they only include homemade assets and / or patch files (that can only be used with the original content). The downloads for these mods contain nothing Square originally created, so they're fine.

To clarify - there's nothing against the rules about taking a model and putting it into a game in your own home. That's fine. Knock yourself out. The problem comes when you provide download links that themselves contain those assets - that's not so fine.
 
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ok guys thanks for the clearing that up. Too bad the AC Cloud is ripped for what its worth its the best mod made of Cloud despite it being illegal.
 
thats very subjective
I dont like the AC cloud at all
screams Nomura way too much
 
thats very subjective
I dont like the AC cloud at all
screams Nomura way too much
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Wasn't it Nomura who did the original character designs too?
 
Wasn't it Nomura who did the original character designs too?
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It's an, now, old meme to say something screams Nomura. Ever since Kingdom Hearts and FF10, his designs have gotten way out of hand and go too deep into visual-key and BELTS AND GIRDLES AND BELTS AND ACCESSORIES AND ZIPPERS AND BELTS AND ZIPPERS AND HATS...
you get what I mean
 
In other words you mean they are too emo. Usually most of the time models that are ripped look almost perfect and realistic compared to the ones made from scratch. Thats why I said its the best Cloud model, but since its illegal its gets ruled out. Any its just my opinion on the matter. Most fans rather keep the nostalgic Cloud in FF VII and I highly respect that
 
I dont know why anyone would want to ruin there game with ac mods in the first place.

The games a classic changing it too much takes that away, I still remember when it first came out me and my mates hiring it out to play on the ps1 having turns (those were the days)
 
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