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Interesting. You'll have to explain the logic behind that.
You will only change your ways if you see fault in them. If you see fault in them, more then likely, you will be ashamed of those actions.

...and now you'll you have to explain what you mean, because I haven't got the slightest idea about what you are trying to say.
You would claim that you have never been dishonest to cover up something? If you havent, then you are certainly among the very select few.
 
You will only change your ways if you see fault in them. If you see fault in them, more then likely, you will be ashamed of those actions.
And if the exact problem was that you had issues fessing up the things you did (remember this, remember what it took to get him to say that it was him? *), he wouldn't have reformed at all if he insisted on hiding his past, would he?

If you happened to be truth-challenged, you pretty much have to show that you have nothing to hide, if you expect people to believe that you have changed somehow.

You would claim that you have never been dishonest to cover up something? If you havent, then you are certainly among the very select few.
In the forums? I can't think of anything, no. Which means just that, I can't think of anything, tell me by all means if you remember something. If you meant in general, sure. But I certainly wasn't talking about that, dunno about you. :)


* If you don't remember, Qhimm said that he knows who did it, but is waiting for the person to step up voluntarily, so it's not like he had any choice
 
if you expect people to believe that you have changed somehow.
His reputation was more then a little injured by what he did. I can understand him trying to cover up further... blemishes.


If you meant in general, sure. But I certainly wasn't talking about that, dunno about you
I was, this being a forum on the internet, doesn't excuse you for bad choices. Sad Jari may not be your name, doesn't mean it's not you. Well, the first half isn't at least
 
His reputation was more then a little injured by what he did. I can understand him trying to cover up further... blemishes.
Did you read this?

If we assume that you are him, you see my first post and you know what I mean by it... do you honestly think that that is the time for covering up anything? Sure, without a doubt you don't advertise what you did and don't brag about it, but when people ask you to come clean...?

If you meant in general, sure. But I certainly wasn't talking about that, dunno about you
I was, this being a forum on the internet, doesn't excuse you for bad choices
...what? I thought that I just said I was not aware that I had ever been dishonest in the forums - to cover up anything or for any other reason - what are you talking about?
 
but when people ask you to come clean...?
Sure, it makes about as much sense as leaving the scene of the accident (a very hefty fine in most places), but people still do it.


what are you talking about?
You said never dishonest on the forums. That I could agree with, but I said that it makes no diffrence, you are still the same person as you are in real life, the one that was dishonest at one point or another.
 
...but when people ask you to come clean...?
More like demanded I'd say.

...you see my first post and you know what I mean by it...
I didn't know what you meant by it, nor did I realize how offended you actually were. By the way, do you remember exactly when I did these unforgivable crimes? Both of them (or at least the admin one) were over a year ago. Now thats what I call a grudge. I said sorry, so stop.

If you don't remember, Qhimm said that he knows who did it, but is waiting for the person to step up voluntarily, so it's not like he had any choice
What I remember, was that you got blamed for the admin thing, because you were acting like a pill about something Qhimm did (backstabbing I believe). I felt bad that you were being falsely accused, so I spoke up.

So, I would appreciate it if you would stop talking about how dishonest and cowardly I am. Thanks. If you still have any isssues with me, speak up now or forever hold your peace.
 
Sure, it makes about as much sense as leaving the scene of the accident (a very hefty fine in most places), but people still do it.
For f***s sake, of course they do!

I was under the impression that we were talking about whether a reformed or "reformed" person should lie about what he had done, and if lying about it means that he hasn't actually reformed.

Not about stupid things people do.

You said never dishonest on the forums. That I could agree with, but I said that it makes no diffrence, you are still the same person as you are in real life, the one that was dishonest at one point or another.
Considering that that branch of discussion started from here:
Reformed my ass, he's about as honest as average politician. We'll talk about reforming when if he grows a backbone and discovers this thing called "honesty".
...what exactly does it have to do with me being honest or dishonest in general?


More like demanded I'd say.
And this matters because of...? When people are asking - or demanding - you to come clean about crimes you have done, it's hardly the place or the time to get picky.

...you see my first post and you know what I mean by it...
I didn't know what you meant by it, nor did I realize how offended you actually were. By the way, do you remember exactly when I did these unforgivable crimes? Both of them (or at least the admin one) were over a year ago. Now thats what I call a grudge.
Well, you would have to be exceptionally stupid to miss clues like that. Or lying, but let's just pretend that we all believe you to be just stupid.

Or then you just pull this kind of sh*t so often that little things like that slip by. I wouldn't be surprised. :-P

Yes, I remember. You don't seem to. Or you are so bullsh*tting about "Both of them", because you tried to haxx0r into my server in late August 2005. Should be around 25th to 30th. I can check if you want to.

I said sorry, so stop.
Well, I'll be damned. This miracle seems to have escaped my attention entirely. When did this happen?

What I remember, was that you got blamed for the admin thing, because you were acting like a pill about something Qhimm did (backstabbing I believe). I felt bad that you were being falsely accused, so I spoke up.
*chuckle*

You are just asking for me to post a copy of that thread too, aren't you?  :-D Or we can ask Qhimm, if you like.

And oh yes, I do remember you giving that explanation earlier. Just because it's your bullsh*t, doesn't mean that it's true.

Perhaps more importantly; it's so touching if you decided to speak up because of little old me. It just doesn't quite jive with the fact that you tried to impersonate admin - or anyone - in the first place. :lol:

So, I would appreciate it if you would stop talking about how dishonest and cowardly I am. Thanks. If you still have any isssues with me, speak up now or forever hold your peace.
You are in no position to make demands.  :-D
 
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Well, you would have to be exceptionally stupid to miss clues like that. Or lying, but let's just pretend that we all believe you to be just stupid.
Thanks, I guess I'm just exceptionally stupid. I'm sorry that I can't interprete your vague and subtle hints prompting me to confess my year-old "crimes".

Or then you just pull this kind of sh*t so often that little things like that slip by. I wouldn't be surprised. :-P

Yes, I remember. You don't seem to. Or you are so bullsh*tting about "Both of them", because you tried to haxx0r into my server in late August 2005. Should be around 25th to 30th. I can check if you want to.
I believe I posted a disclaimer:
Both of them (or at least the admin one) were over a year ago.
The admin incident was last May, making that 1 year and 1 month old and I honestly don't remember when I tryed to access your server; I'm guessing it's around ten months.

Well, I'll be damned. This miracle seems to have escaped my attention entirely. When did this happen?
I blatantly apologized! I went right out and said "I'm sorry," are you blind?
[Edit] Halkun seems to have deleted that post, so I guess there is no proof and you obviously can't take my word for it. So I'll say it again: I'm sorry. I shouldn't have tryed to hack your server with my mad hacking skills. I won't do it again.
 
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I was under the impression that we were talking about whether a reformed or "reformed" person should lie about what he had done, and if lying about it means that he hasn't actually reformed.
Should they? No. Will they? Probably not.
Is he reformed? Well, he hasn't tried to do anything exceptionally inacceptable recently...

...what exactly does it have to do with me being honest or dishonest in general?
That he is not exceptionally dishonest.
 
Thanks, I guess I'm just exceptionally stupid. I'm sorry that I can't interprete your vague and subtle hints prompting me to confess my year-old "crimes".
I don't know how much more obvious I could have been, without telling it myself. I was going to let you do that, because that would have at least shown a teeny weeny bit of remorse. Honestly.

And you can drop the quotation marks, at least one of them was an actual crime (Chapter 38, what-do-you-call-it 8 ). Sorry that there's no English version available and I don't feel like translating right now... but I can translate it if you really want.

I believe I posted a disclaimer:
Both of them (or at least the admin one) were over a year ago.
Yes, I believe you did:
Both of them (or at least the admin one) were over a year ago.
Well, I'll be damned. This miracle seems to have escaped my attention entirely. When did this happen?
I blatantly apologized! I went right out and said "I'm sorry," are you blind?
[Edit] Halkun seems to have deleted that post, so I guess there is no proof and you obviously can't take my word for it. So I'll say it again: I'm sorry. I shouldn't have tryed to hack your server with my mad hacking skills. I won't do it again.
How unfortunate. :P Anyway, no great loss. You don't seriously expect that I would forgive you now?

You had... nine months to apologize. You did it when you found out that not having apologized caused you harm. I'm sorry, but that doesn't seem very sincere.

And I can hold grudge for a very long time.

...what exactly does it have to do with me being honest or dishonest in general?
That he is not exceptionally dishonest.
I would say that he is. But more to the point might be; can he afford to be dishonest at all?



So... I guess that would be it, as far as this topic is concerned?

Or does anyone have anything to add?

I'm not saying that you shouldn't post, but as far as I'm concerned I believe the matter is pretty much settled. Of course if someone wants to continue, that's totally ok too.
 
How unfortunate. :P Anyway, no great loss. You don't seriously expect that I would forgive you now?

You had... nine months to apologize. You did it when you found out that not having apologized caused you harm. I'm sorry, but that doesn't seem very sincere.
Not having apologized did not cause me harm. It just caused another arguement in which you proved, yet again, to be contentious (understatement) and unforgiving. Well, that is the only apology you are getting from me (other than the one halkun deleted), so um... yeah. I have nothing more to say.
 
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