Best animated movie?

[Timu Sumisu]

hermoor, all i seem to draw from your arguments about poor animation (TV, anime or whatnot) has to do with framerate (now i am somewhat innebriated) but... take it from an animation student, all framerate does is make movement smoother, by in large for people with weak eyes and brains (too lazy to explain the process) in which the brain fills in missing frames and creates the motion in your head. Good animation is like good <insert any type of storytelling>. Have a good theme, and tell it, and having seen many gigs worth of anime in my years (sorry, not terrabytes... havnt watched that much) they usually have significant themes, worth telling, albeit in a more indepth and less obvious manner than western films (tsetra said sometihng like this, but nehow).

i suggest you take a break frmo making arguments here and either and learn how to argue, lest you make yourself the next seifer.

 

[Jari]

There is even anime porn...I mean wtf.

Yes?

I take it that you have issues with that - I'd like to hear what they are.

You might also want to see Fritz the Cat, while you are formulating your reply. Might open an eye, or too.

This is my opinion, now I know some of you will disagree, because some of you are anime fanatics. I think this is even more than a opinion...it's probably a fact.

Thinking about for example lion king. When Simbas father died,

Evangelion, when Shinji's father might as well have been dead, considering the attitude and abuse he received from him. It wouldn't be terribly far fetched to assume Shinji would have been happier, if his father actually was dead.

loosing your best friend Fox and hound.

Evangelion.

Prince of Egypt, leaving your home and family behind, because they really are bad.

Evangelion.

Bambi, once again loosing your mother and following in your fathers footsteps.

OMG, Evangelion. Well, Shinji kind of tried to follow in Gendo's footsteps, at least to a degree that he sought his approval.

Alladin, wishes and dreams/love.

Can you guess what I'm going to say? Evangelion. Unrequited love, too. At least two kinds of it, akshually.

But of course, the alternative I offer is made for TV - thus shit, not to mention made in Japan, thus bad. It's even badly animated - it's bloody obvious that Gainax was out of money and time by the end of it! :-D IMHO, my only real issue with Evangelion is the question whether it's actually deep, or just pretentious. It's certainly very close to the limit, and some stuff - like the occasionally excessive name dropping of Judeo-Christian mythology - I believe to exist merely for the 'Oh, cool reference'-value, instead of having much of a real meaning.

Anime is very grand and not as emotional on a human level if you compare to western animation.

Sure ain't. Keep telling yourself that. BTW, did you watch Grave of the Fireflies?

Plus there is a lot of sh*t in anime too (porn, ridiculous tv shows etc)

And this differs from western animation how, exactly?

Not to mention, live action movies. There are pr0n movies, actually there are bloody huge pile of them (case in point: Ron Jeremy and his 1170 movies). By your logic, live action movies are bad because there's live action pr0n, not to mention several horrid game shows, reality TV shows and what have you.

 

[Jari]

Yes?

I take it that you have issues with that - I'd like to hear what they are.

Teenagers and grown men jerking of to cartoons is just not natural. Cave men jerking of cave paintings...get the idea? Not even the neanderthals were that stupid.

I see. :-D I also assume that you deny the possibility that a work of art might have erotic qualities, yes?

Or is this merely 'It's not natural'-issue with them, too?

Anyway, I don't recall if you have ever stated your views about homosexuality, but I just became curious about them. I have a guess what they might be, as well... :-D

I quote myself on this one...evangelion is very mixed right? It's not about one thing, but about everything!!! Set in a school enviroment with bad animation, and screaming crying anime/doll looking girls with pink and purple hair...distasteful is the right word...

*A distasteful mix of every story told in the past. (Final Fantasy VII)

Not really, if you can get past the premise of post-apocalyptic (to be specific, post-cataclysmic is probably more accurate) setting with giant robots. What's left is a growth story of a young boy. That's what Evangelion is about, if you ask me. Mind you, not the easiest growth story, Anno reflects many of his own issues - which he had plenty at the time - on Shinji. If you'd ask me to sum the whole series in one sentence, it'd be this "Things can always get worse, no matter how bad they were." - that's true at least as far as Shinji is concerned.

Majority of Evangelion happens outside the school, for that matter. And considering that the protagonists are 14 year olds, would you seriously expect them not to go to school? That, if anything, would be unrealistic.

I seem to be forgetting something. It's been a long time since I watched Evangelion, and I do not particularly care for the remake they are apparently doing, but I do not recall any girls with pink hair. Or purple, for that matter. Misato's is black, if you are thinking about her - black enough that it'll look like deep blue or purplish in certain light.

For crying... well, Asuka has a pretty darn good reason for it - on the rare occasion she might do it. Rei doesn't cry much. Much like she doesn't smile very much, either.

For that matter, while almost all characters are archetypes to some degree, I for one considering for example Shinji to be way more realistic protagonist than most. Yes, he whines. He does have kind of a good reason for it. He's not overly brave superhero-type, but more of a everyman, or everyboy, who gets scared, too.

And just for shits and giggles, several years after seeing Evangelion, I met a woman who might as well be the person Misato is modeled after - they are so much alike that it's kinda uncanny.

So, I'd hardly call Evangelion's cast unrealistic. Archetypal, yes, unrealistic, no.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

This thread is hilarious :-D

Hermoor, what do you think of ethnic minorities? I'm sure you'll have something interesting to say

 

[Jari]

I see. grin I also assume that you deny the possibility that a work of art might have erotic qualities, yes?

Sure, art can be erotic...you see the difference?

What I see is someone trying to cherrypick. You tried that at the FFX-thread, remember? :-D

Well, in any case, neither of them do anything for me. One of them is not particularly well drawn, not to mention I don't have a thing for nekomimis, other just isn't very erotic to begin with.

I also am amused by the fact that you seem to imply that one of them is art, while the other is not. :lol:

In any case, just for shits and giggles, here. Some of the images found there might not be worksafe.

I have a guess what they might be, as well... grin

It's against nature.

I thought as much. :-D

*A distasteful mix of everything....reminds me of that reality tv show called Big Brother...

It would seem that you have trouble understanding what you just read. :-D But hey, your loss. Not to mention that your argumentation is quite amusing, looks like you don't have much left and what you have don't seem very valid either, but it's not like that has stopped you before.

BTW, is it warm in De Nile? :-D

This thread is hilarious :-D

Verily it is! :-D

Hermoor, what do you think of ethnic minorities? I'm sure you'll have something interesting to say

Hush now! Don't ask him things like that, or he'll might tell us that they are against nature! Being, you know, ethnic. And minor, too! :-D

 

[lyada]

It's against nature. But I don't mind people with the same sex having sex with each other. As long as I don't have to do it... :wink:

Yes being gay is against nature, that is why it is found all over nature, http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/06/05/gay-penguins-adopt005.html (gay penguins FTW)

*A distasteful mix of everything....reminds me of that reality tv show called Big Brother...

So because the show is trying to imitate the chaos of reality it is similar to a 'reality' T.V. show?

Sure, art can be erotic...you see the difference?

Personally I find neither of those to be very erotic.
To me, pieces like this are erotic.
http://daily.chictoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/bum.jpg
http://artexploit.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ophelia-600x401.jpg
http://wp.madcowdisease.org/gp/Anime+Manga/Wordsworth_01.jpg
Also, if you think that there is no porn of cartoons then you are sadly mistaken.  Rule number 34 of the internet my friend, I can guarantee you that for every cartoon that you hold dear there is ten times as much porn of it then there is non porn.

 

[Jari]

lyada, I <3 you - whoever you are.

 

[Jari]

I also am amused by the fact that you seem to imply that one of them is art, while the other is not. cheesy

To me art is beautiful...in some way. I would say that fireflies anime movie is art. But not that tv show you hold so dear.

So, what exactly is something you don't consider beautiful, then? Drawing, painting, piece of music, a movie you don't like? Can't be art, you just said that. But it has to be something.

Not even bothering to point out the fact that apparently you have seen neither Lain nor Evangelion, yet you seem to know that they are not art... owait, I just did. :-D

In any case, just for sh*ts and giggles, here. Some of the images found there might not be worksafe.

Your personal collection I imagine...haha.

From it. Not it. :-D

BTW, is it warm in De Nile? grin

Huh, you mean the river? What are you getting at?

De Nile, as defined by Urban Dictionary.

Yes being gay is against nature, that is why it is found all over nature

They live in a zoo >_> Two males imprisoned, they just follow their instincs. You know why that guy in shawhanks redemption. (That prison movie) Started to f*** the new guy? Because there were no women to f***. I think the reason people turn gay is because they have got bad experience in the past of the opposite sex. Or because there are no one of the opposite sex to f***. So in a way it's against nature...

And how about people who realized they were attracted to the same sex during puberty, or even before that? Take boys for example; did a mean girl kick them in the nuts while they were kids, or something?

 

[Jari]

So, what exactly is something you don't consider beautiful, then? Drawing, painting, piece of music, a movie you don't like? Can't be art, you just said that. But it has to be something.

It's chaos...it just exists so there can be art :wink:

*chuckle*

Basically what you are saying here sums up your attitude in general quite well; if something does not fit your preconceived and prejudiced views, you choose to pretend that it either a) does not exist b) or at the least must be bad.

Well done. I pity you, really. You are like a small child presented with food he has never eaten before. Most likely result is a hissy fit, without ever tasting it. Because, by Gods, it must be bad since you don't already like it. :-D

But like I said earlier, it's very much your loss.

Not even bothering to point out the fact that apparently you have seen neither Lain nor Evangelion, yet you seem to know that they are not art... owait, I just did. grin

I was quite satisfied with the youtube clip earlier, and what you have said about it already.

*Robots
*School
*Miniskirts
*14 year old girl as protagonist.
*Apocalyptic war
*Whining teenagers

So, you fished out a clip of Lain - which is about as far removed from Evangelion as Earth is from Moon - and deduced from my posts that they have these things, thus they are bad.

I shouldn't really do this, since I'm doing you a favor, but;

• Lain has no robots
• Both of them have school - after all, kids tend to go to school. Why do you hate it so much, btw? Are people mean to you there? Is that why you put on this spiel? To appear more mature than them?
• Neither of them have much of miniskirts - which actually does sound like a pretty fucking far-out reason to think something is bad. :-D
• Evangelion actually has 14 your old boy as a protagonist.
• Lain certainly has no war, apocalyptic or otherwise. Whether you'd like to call Evangelion's battles a war, is up to you. It's quite one sided to be a decent war.
• Lain does not whine. Shinji does, but for a pretty good reason.

But it does not make any difference, does it? :-D I presented you with two very good, made-for-TV (since you were raving about how everything made for TV is bad...) anime series, and challenged you to find something equally deep or thought provoking made in the West. Thus far you have produced no results, you haven't even dared to check out what they are like.

Like I said, your loss. :-D

From it. Not it. grin

Oh cool, are you playing with barbie dolls as well? hahah sorry...

Sure, if thinking that makes you happy. :-D

And how about people who realized they were attracted to the same sex during puberty, or even before that? Take boys for example; did a mean girl kick them in the nuts while they were kids, or something?

I don't know since I'm not gay...but I think it can have something to do with their mother father relationships. Maybe he spent a lot of time with his mother and she dressed him like a girl...and his father maybe molested him or something...I do not know...and I honestly don't care either.

So, why did you air your theories about the matter in the first place, if you don't know?

Majority of the scientists seem to disagree with you, btw.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

*Robots
*School
*Miniskirts
*14 year old girl as protagonist.
*Apocalyptic war
*Whining teenagers

So, you're still dismissing things by oversimplifying them to the point of inaccuracy? :-D

That last item on your list can be applied to you as well. In fact, a lot of the things whereof you have accused others over the past week or so are crimes of which you are guilty. Could it be that you are projecting your own inadequacies onto everyone who argues with you? It certainly seems that way. We know that you're a whiny teenager, and that you're a fanboy, and that you like and dislike things because they are cool (hating anime has been seen as very cool by children on the intertubes for quite a while). Your avatar has some pretty dark colouring as well; if what you said about FF7's colour scheme is true, it must mean that you are an emo (since anything dark appeals to emos, apparently :-D).

How does it feel to know that you are all of the things you hate? :lol:

And how about people who realized they were attracted to the same sex during puberty, or even before that? Take boys for example; did a mean girl kick them in the nuts while they were kids, or something?

I don't know since I'm not gay...but I think it can have something to do with their mother father relationships. Maybe he spent a lot of time with his mother and she dressed him like a girl...and his father maybe molested him or something...I do not know...and I honestly don't care either.

You heard it here first, folks! If you're gay, it's because your mother dressed you up like a girl and your father molested you!

Did you actually read that article about the penguins?

Scientific observation has shown that most sexual encounters between giraffes are homosexual. Male bottlenose dolphin calves often form homosexual bonds and exhibit bisexual behaviour when they're older. And female Japanese macaques, or snow monkeys, form monogamous relationships with each other that last from days to weeks.

All of these behaviours have been observed in the wild and do not appear to have been influenced by a scarcity of available mates of the opposite sex.

Kind of disproves both your "childhood abuse" argument and your "they only do it because they are locked up and there are no women" argument, doesn't it?

Tell me, are you actually capable of understanding that people can like something that you don't like without having some kind of social, emotional or psychological problem? It seems like you find it very hard to cope with other people's opinions...

Ya know, I think I have the perfect job for you when you grow up. Televangelist! Your hypocrisy, narrow mindedness (especially about sex), propensity towards making up grand theories based on shaky evidence and your astonishing ability to ignore anything that contradicts what you've decided to believe makes me think that crazy preacher would be the ideal job for you (as long as you can learn English well enough to communicate; you've got a long way to go). :-D

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

I find this entertaining, arguing with fanboys and 34 year old anime porn collectors.

Who's a fanboy? Ever since the FFX thread, you've done nothing but insult people that don't agree with you about what the best FF game is. You are the fanboy, my friend, since you are the one who can't cope with other people liking different things. All the rest of us have done is admonish you for being so hostile to everyone else's opinion; I certainly don't have any problem with other people liking another game more than my favourite, but it seems that you do. I only have a problem with being called names because I dared to disagree with you. It seems that fanboy, like emo, is a word whose meaning you don't yet understand. Or maybe it's just another example of your hypocrisy and projection of your own problems onto others. :-D

And it's a good place to practise my english as well :wink:

You need all the practice you can get. :lol:

 

[Timu Sumisu]

So, why did you air your theories about the matter in the first place, if you don't know?

Majority of the scientists seem to disagree with you, btw. tongue

How can anyone who is not homosexual know why homosexuals are homosexuals?

ask them?
and hermoor, you are teh soopar fanboy.

onther note, there is no going offtopic in the completely unrelated forum

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

You are off topic, get the hell outta here or keep to the subject. :x And I have no problem what you like or if you are gay or whatever. I say what I think then you keep babbling why I am wrong. And then I say why you are wrong and so it continues...

Wow, your reality distortion field is strong! So are your sexuality issues. Could it be that you are in the closet? That would explain why you have such big problems with other people's sexuality and are so homophobic.

and kudistos you are a fan boy. You are trying to project what you are and the fact that you are a former goth onto me.

And I see that you're accusing people of things you do again. Typical behaviour for a fanboy :-D

And one thing is for sure, I'm not like you guys...

We all know that. If everyone here were like you, these forums would be pretty crappy.

You sometimes make me wonder why you stay here. You hate everyone here for not agreeing with you and insult them for it. Everyone else hates you. Why are you still here? I can only think of one reasonable explanation...

Perhaps I should start ignoring you :-D

 

[Jari]

I have tasted it, and I didn't like it. I always look smell on my food, if it looks or smells bad I won't taste it. Anime tv shows I have tasted, and I can't say I'm a fan...

By viewing a 10 minute clip of them? :-D

I thought we was talking about Lain...well you mentioned all those things...robots etc. Ok watched a clip on that other tv show you talked about and it looks like somekind of godzilla rip off. Looks like a decent tv show. But nothing special...

Well, obviously! That's why I referred to Evangelion by NAME FIVE TIMES in this post. Obviously a clever plot to make you think I was talking about Lain!

Can you understand written English? At all?

Ok watched a clip on that other tv show you talked about and it looks like somekind of godzilla rip off.

I've heard people call Evangelion many things. But never a Godzilla ripoff. :-D

Since you seem to be having problems understanding written English, how about reading this again:

Not really, if you can get past the premise of post-apocalyptic (to be specific, post-cataclysmic is probably more accurate) setting with giant robots. What's left is a growth story of a young boy. That's what Evangelion is about, if you ask me. Mind you, not the easiest growth story, Anno reflects many of his own issues - which he had plenty at the time - on Shinji. If you'd ask me to sum the whole series in one sentence, it'd be this "Things can always get worse, no matter how bad they were." - that's true at least as far as Shinji is concerned.

Majority of Evangelion happens outside the school, for that matter. And considering that the protagonists are 14 year olds, would you seriously expect them not to go to school? That, if anything, would be unrealistic.

I seem to be forgetting something. It's been a long time since I watched Evangelion, and I do not particularly care for the remake they are apparently doing, but I do not recall any girls with pink hair. Or purple, for that matter. Misato's is black, if you are thinking about her - black enough that it'll look like deep blue or purplish in certain light.

For crying... well, Asuka has a pretty darn good reason for it - on the rare occasion she might do it. Rei doesn't cry much. Much like she doesn't smile very much, either.

For that matter, while almost all characters are archetypes to some degree, I for one considering for example Shinji to be way more realistic protagonist than most. Yes, he whines. He does have kind of a good reason for it. He's not overly brave superhero-type, but more of a everyman, or everyboy, who gets scared, too.

Yes, sounds exactly like a Godzilla ripoff to me. :-D Look, I even mentioned it by its name there too! Reading comprehension FTW!

How can anyone who is not homosexual know why homosexuals are homosexuals?

The same way scientists who are not bugs, can understand biology of insects and why they do what they do, I'd imagine. Not to mention those darn astrophysicists, they seem to know lot about stars and planets and black holes and shit, yet they are not stars, or planets, or even black holes.

Weird.

I believe there was a term for it, something like scientific method, or somesuch humbug.

I find this entertaining, arguing with fanboys and 34 year old anime porn collectors. And it's a good place to practise my english as well :wink:

Not to mention losing. So badly. :-D

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

Just so that everyone knows, Hermoor thinks that the word fanboy means "anyone who disagrees with me" :-D

You do live in your own deluded little world, don't you? What's it like thinking that "your opinion" = "fact", that insulting people who like different games and styles of animation is not being a fanboy but disagreeing with you is being a fanboy? And what's it like living in a world where anyone who does disagree with you can be put into one big, homogeneous group called "gay pervert teenage emo weeaboo FF7 fanboys with gel in their hair"? :-D

 

[Jari]

and hermoor, you are teh soopar fanboy.

Nope my friend...

De Nile! :-D

By viewing a 10 minute clip of them? grin

That is more than enough...

Obviously! :-D

I've heard people call Evangelion many things. But never a Godzilla ripoff. grin

Since you seem to be having problems understanding written English, how about reading this again:

I just watched the clip with the giant robot fighting the jet planes...

Akshually, you didn't. :-D What's the matter, 10 minute clip not enough to know the only giant robot - which, hell, I don't mind spoiling you, is not actually a robot either - was in the opening credits? :-D The thing giving JSDF jets a lesson was quite something else.

I'm sure there is a lot of high school drama going on under the giant robot.

Akshually, there isn't. :-D Doesn't it like totally suck when you form entirely incorrect opinion, and then claim that 10 minutes is enough? :lol:

But why should I care about the barbie dolls? When there is so much more interesting and more beautiful animation to care about?

I dunno. I just showed you one of the deepest and challenging anime series. Not my fault if your prejudices stop you from watching it.

I'm not loosing and you know it...

No, I don't. I really don't. There won't be a smiley here, because I'm not joking.

And what's it like living in a world where anyone who does disagree with you can be put into one big, homogeneous group called "gay pervert teenage emo weeaboo FF7 fanboys with gel in their hair"? :-D

Hey, I resemble that remark! :lol: I has no gel in my hair! :-D

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

Hahahah you got a point there kudistos. But not everyone who doesn't agree with me are fanboys or as you would like to call yourself:

pervert teenage emo weeaboo FF7 fanboys with gel in their hair"?

I have only said that to you and ammo...and ammo is nothing of the above except maybe pevert. Since he has admitted to have a large collection of pictures on half naked anime girls, laying on his hardrive.

So, not only do you ignore what other people have said when it's convenient, but you forget what you have said :-D

I seem to recall you saying a few times that most of the people on these forums are fanboys and anime freaks, and I also recall you saying that 80% of the people here put gel in their hair to make them look like manga characters. A lot of these comments were made today.

And I must ask, why can't you use the bloody quote function properly? Click "insert quote" and them delete the bits you don't need. Is it that hard? Even an idiot can do it. You must be below that level.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

And yes, I imagine a lot of you even use gel...you are right about that kudistos. I never said you wasn't using gel or that you are not a fanboy kudistos...god...

When did I say that you didn't accuse me of those things? :-D

You've accused me of both of them, I know that. Could this be another case of you making a fool out of yourself because you don't know English and can't communicate? :lol:

BTW, what happened to

I'm getting tired, should we call it a day... :lol: :lol:

It seems that you keep on saying that you'll go but you always come back. Could it be that you're lying because you want attention? Or that you're too much of a coward to leave?

I think it's both. You're a liar and a coward :-D

 

[Jari]

Seems ammo gave up now I only need to beat you to the ground former goth....

I don't see you arguing my points anymore, so what's left for me to do?

Or maybe you have nothing more to say and i have won?

You have somewhat bizarre notion of winning, though. If you truly are seeking a 'winner' in a debate, here's a hint; it's not the person who gets the last word.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

When did I say that you didn't accuse me of those things? grin

Are you sure we are thinking about the same thing? :-o

I've been having doubts about that for quite a while. You seem to have been having a very different argument from the rest of us; one in which you're not acting like a butthurt 13-year-old fanboy and you aren't having your arse kicked.

It seems that you keep on saying that you'll go but you always come back. Could it be that you're lying because you want attention? Or that you're too much of a coward to leave?

I think it's both. You're a liar and a coward grin

My bed is just a few inches away from my computer, so it's not a problem. And this is just so much fun megistos kudistos pudistos...and no I got a clean conscience...and I'm everything other than a coward believe me...AND I'M GONNA WIN THIS!!! Seems ammo gave up now I only need to beat you to the ground former goth....

Or maybe you have nothing more to say and i have won?

This is a perfect example of you having a very strange perception of reality. Do you think that you win arguments because people get tired of trying to get things through your thick, fanboy head? That isn't how anyone else thinks, and I look forward to seeing you beat me to the ground. The only way that can happen is if you've been spending the last week or so lulling me into a false sense of security by acting like the stupidest person on the internet (in which case, you've done a good job) :-D

Oh, and you still haven't explained why you keep saying you'll go but you never actually do. I'm waiting for an answer, but it seems that you'll ignore anything inconvenient like you always do. Do you know why you ignore things that you can't argue against?

Because you're a coward :lol: