Big Mysteries of FF7 & More v2

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That sucks, even though I was really just playing devil's advocate.  So, how does Cloud take the Masamune to the chest, and pwn Seph, but Aeris is insta-killed.  Cloud had like 140 Hp, and Aeris could potentially have 9999 Hp.  Just replying randomly till an actual solvable mystery comes up again.
Cloud has Jenova cells and is not an ordinary human (Sephiroth is surprised to see Cloud does not die as well).  Aerith is an ordinary human (at least in terms of physical fitness) and was stabbed through the chest.    It has nothing to do with battle mechanics, it is the story :)
 
That sucks, even though I was really just playing devil's advocate.  So, how does Cloud take the Masamune to the chest, and pwn Seph, but Aeris is insta-killed.  Cloud had like 140 Hp, and Aeris could potentially have 9999 Hp.  Just replying randomly till an actual solvable mystery comes up again.
Cloud has Jenova cells and is not an ordinary human.  Aerith is an ordinary human (at least in terms of physical fitness) and was stabbed through the chest, probably heart.    It has nothing to do with battle mechanics, it is the story :)
not technically an ordinary human, but a cetra, however theres no evidence in the games to suggest the cetra were hardier people then normal humans, so the logic works itself out
 
Cloud didn't have Jenova cells yet.  I think they each should have died (not really).  I know its the story :(
 
Cloud didn't have Jenova cells yet.  I think they each should have died (not really).  I know its the story :(
Cloud did have Jenova Cells.  He was part of the Jenova project by Hojo.   Considered a failed "copy" and not given a tattoo.
 
That sucks, even though I was really just playing devil's advocate.  So, how does Cloud take the Masamune to the chest, and pwn Seph, but Aeris is insta-killed.  Cloud had like 140 Hp, and Aeris could potentially have 9999 Hp.  Just replying randomly till an actual solvable mystery comes up again.
Cloud has Jenova cells and is not an ordinary human.  Aerith is an ordinary human (at least in terms of physical fitness) and was stabbed through the chest, probably heart.    It has nothing to do with battle mechanics, it is the story :)
not technically an ordinary human, but a cetra, however theres no evidence in the games to suggest the cetra were hardier people then normal humans, so the logic works itself out
Ordinary humans are just Cetra gone fail. Biologically, they're pretty much the same. Pretty much.
 
Cloud didn't have Jenova cells yet.  I think they each should have died (not really).  I know its the story :(
we do to, my theory is that, sinse cloud was constantly around people WITH jenova cells, perhaps it acted someone as a duplicating symbiote and small bits transferred to him over time, not enough to make him a soldier (yet), but enough to make him a bit tougher than your average cowgirl MMA-style boxing tifa or your.... flower girl :p
 
Cloud didn't have Jenova cells yet.  I think they each should have died (not really).  I know its the story :(
Cloud did have Jenova Cells.  He was part of the Jenova project by Hojo.   Considered a failed "copy" and not given a tattoo.
Is that what the other FFVII games said?  idk.  I didn't think Cloud was part of the Jenova Project until after the Nibelheim incident.  He was wounded by Sephs sword then he and Zack got picked up by Shinra, Then Hojo experimented on them, and that is the point at which Cloud became a 'failed clone'.
 
Is that what the other FFVII games said?  idk. 
Yes, it is what you learn in the mansion as well as various texts.  It is also what Ultimania states.

I didn't think Cloud was part of the Jenova Project until after the Nibelheim incident.

He was wounded by Sephs sword then he and Zack got picked up by Shinra, Then Hojo experimented on them, and that is the point at which Cloud became a 'failed clone'.

Looking at it again, you may be right... it may have taken place afterwards.  If that's the case... then basically sh*t happens  :P    Actually yes you are right, he experiments on the towns survivors...

Cloud is obviously one tough son of  a bitch or the cutscene is probably overdone and out of context for what is supposed to have happened.  Who knows.
 
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I guess we say te answer is "Cloud survived for dramatic effect dammit!"  For a second I almost had to rethink my entire understanding of FFVII lol *so that sh*t Seph said in whirlwind maze was in fact the truth and all else is a lie ?!#?!$?!$?@%?@*

What are some other mysteries...So the Stone Seto was completely petrified save for a few small tears?  Or were those tears like...crystals...?  And jeez, when you are in Gongaga do Aeris and Tifa BOTH really have to go silent when you speak with Zack's parents?  C'mon they could at least be like "Yeah Cloud, we were gonna tell you this, but you're f*cked up in the head, remember a guy named Zack?  He was a pretty big part of your life." or "You know Zack too?"

How did Lost Number fit in the Nibelheim safe?
 
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FFVII unsolved Mysteries.  If you have any information regarding this or other mysteries please contact 1-800-OMGWTFZ
I guess we say te answer is "Cloud survived for dramatic effect dammit!"  For a second I almost had to rethink my entire understanding of FFVII lol *so that sh*t Seph said in whirlwind maze was in fact the truth and all else is a lie ?!#?!$?!$?@%?@*

What are some other mysteries...So the Stone Seto was completely petrified save for a few small tears?  Or were those tears like...crystals...?  And jeez, when you are in Gongaga do Aeris and Tifa BOTH really have to go silent when you speak with Zack's parents?  C'mon they could at least be like "Yeah Cloud, we were gonna tell you this, but you're f*cked up in the head, remember a guy named Zack?  He was a pretty big part of your life." or "You know Zack too?"

How did Lost Number fit in the Nibelheim safe?
I think it's more along the lines of Tifa & Aeris were just debating on if they should trigger what they knew would be a total breakdown.  Kind of like what happened while they were in the lifestream.  Like, the mako fucked him up to a point, and he just had a total breakdown, and most of the sickness wasn't due to the mako, but from the breakdown.  He just needed tifa to do it.  So they knew he'd be like he was in the wheelchair if they pushed it enough.  It was inevitable, so they just tried to delay it as long as possible.

That being said, I'm baked, so it may be a little abstract.
 
FFVII unsolved Mysteries.  If you have any information regarding this or other mysteries please contact 1-800-OMGWTFZ
I guess we say te answer is "Cloud survived for dramatic effect dammit!"  For a second I almost had to rethink my entire understanding of FFVII lol *so that sh*t Seph said in whirlwind maze was in fact the truth and all else is a lie ?!#?!$?!$?@%?@*

What are some other mysteries...So the Stone Seto was completely petrified save for a few small tears?  Or were those tears like...crystals...?  And jeez, when you are in Gongaga do Aeris and Tifa BOTH really have to go silent when you speak with Zack's parents?  C'mon they could at least be like "Yeah Cloud, we were gonna tell you this, but you're f*cked up in the head, remember a guy named Zack?  He was a pretty big part of your life." or "You know Zack too?"

How did Lost Number fit in the Nibelheim safe?
I think it's more along the lines of Tifa & Aeris were just debating on if they should trigger what they knew would be a total breakdown.  Kind of like what happened while they were in the lifestream.  Like, the mako f*cked him up to a point, and he just had a total breakdown, and most of the sickness wasn't due to the mako, but from the breakdown.  He just needed tifa to do it.  So they knew he'd be like he was in the wheelchair if they pushed it enough.  It was inevitable, so they just tried to delay it as long as possible.

That being said, I'm baked, so it may be a little abstract.
As for lost number, he was obviously like some f*cked up Genie.  8-)
These are now my official positions on the subjects.
 
Wait wait wait a minute! When Cloud attended to help her, she was clearly knocked out... Wasn't she? That is how it happened in Crisis Core.
I think this was an inconsistency. In VII Tifa is completely unconscious when Cloud tends to her.
However, in the anime Last Order, Cloud tends to her, she wakes up, says something like "you came just like you promised", and then passes back out.

I was annoyed when that happened, because I didn't see a need for them to insert it. But I just chalked it up to "She probably didn't remember waking up and seeing him, because she was so out of it."

So yeah Seer, I think she just didn't remember waking up and seeing him.
 
About the Cloud's stabbing and Aerith's demise, I personally think that Cloud was not ready to die yet.

Not always does someone die due to the physical hurt. Cloud for example, he was a lil more than your average infantryman. Aerith was not as physically fit (or none at all) than Cloud obviously (we all know from watching her jumping onto the roof of houses and she gets tired within 10 ft. :p

So that being said, IMO, Aerith died because she was ready to die. She had summoned Holy and only she knew this (at the time). When Sephiroth stabbed her, she pretty much said "Mission accomplish.....ed."

As for Cloud, he still had a lot to achieve for, and he also had vengeance on his mind: For Tifa, Zack and the townspeople.


On a side note: notice that Cloud does not say "This is for killing my mother!!" during the flashback. Oh how heartless. :(
 
On a side note: notice that Cloud does not say "This is for killing my mother!!" during the flashback. Oh how heartless. :(
I don't know whether he does or not in the original Japanese version of the game, but...

"Soldier: Mom... Tifa... my town... give it back... I had so much respect for you... I admired you..."

That came from an online game script I just googled.  It's from the PSX version of FFVII, from the scene where Cloud (with his helmet on) back-stabbed Sephiroth with the Buster Sword.  Looks like he did complain about his mother's murder :P

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Hm, yes, I had forgotten about that!

But he doesn't make that much of a big deal about it. His mom should have been the last to be mentioned lol. I guess he wasn't a momma's boy.  ;)
 
Well, if you suddenly lose everything you have in a fire, I think you'd be in too much confusion to prioritize them.
 
Maybe Cloud's mom wasn't a good mother?  Maybe while Cloud was a little boy she was smoking mako in the bathroom and that's why he is emo and nobody liked him.  I think we can prioritize the important things in Cloud's life though (at least to a certain extent).  We know that his same-age peers had no respect for him and ridiculed him; we know that the few memories of Tifa paying attention to him were pretty much the only ones; and we know that Cloud "wanted to be just like the great Sephiroth" and not "I want to protect my you and my mom Tifa!"  no he was relunctant to make that promise.  Frankly, idk why Cloud was upset at the town getting burned down at all.  He should have pledged his loyalty to Sephiroth and dove into the Mako Reactor after him.  Nobody respected Cloud except for Zack it seems.  His mom just wanted him to have"an older girlfriend, one that can take care of you" she was obviously tired of dealing with Cloud and his emo-ness.
 
mako in the bathroom
Me and cloud were doing something in the bathroom but I can't see why thats any of your concern :P

EDIT: Also your constant use of the work "Emo" troubles me...
 
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