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Kudistos Megistos
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http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/01/hello-hypervisor-im-geohot.html
Currently, we only have his word for it :3
Currently, we only have his word for it :3
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BlitzNCS
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Was gonna post this yesterday, but I couldn't be bothered.
But yeah, apparently so far he's got hardware access, but all the software is encrypted. Also, there's a very low chance that PS3 will actually be able to boot PS3 games from ISO format - not to mention that PS3 games are on Blu-Ray, meaning it's possible that they're about 50GB big - and I don't think many pirates are willing to go to all the trouble of downloading, buying an expensive blu-ray rewriter and wasting a blank blu-ray disc just to play backups, so I don't think piracy is going to be as much of an issue as it is on the PSP.
I'm guessing a CFW will be released in the next year that will allow homebrew and such for end users like us. But it could take a few years, or maybe only a few months.
I'm more interested in some sort of PS2 emulator - That's probably going to be the main reason anyone will get this theoretical "CFW" for anyway. I'm pretty sure the PS3 could emulate any console in existance save the Xbox 360 (doubtless someone will make one just to show that the PS3 is indeed slightly better than the xbox 360 in terms of capability, you know, the whole rivalry thing xD)
EDIT: Update on his site http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/
Looks like he can "remove restrictions", but I really have no idea what on earth that really means.
EDIT 2: Oh, hay, look! 444 posts. 4 is my favourite number...I think.
But yeah, apparently so far he's got hardware access, but all the software is encrypted. Also, there's a very low chance that PS3 will actually be able to boot PS3 games from ISO format - not to mention that PS3 games are on Blu-Ray, meaning it's possible that they're about 50GB big - and I don't think many pirates are willing to go to all the trouble of downloading, buying an expensive blu-ray rewriter and wasting a blank blu-ray disc just to play backups, so I don't think piracy is going to be as much of an issue as it is on the PSP.
I'm guessing a CFW will be released in the next year that will allow homebrew and such for end users like us. But it could take a few years, or maybe only a few months.
I'm more interested in some sort of PS2 emulator - That's probably going to be the main reason anyone will get this theoretical "CFW" for anyway. I'm pretty sure the PS3 could emulate any console in existance save the Xbox 360 (doubtless someone will make one just to show that the PS3 is indeed slightly better than the xbox 360 in terms of capability, you know, the whole rivalry thing xD)
EDIT: Update on his site http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/
Looks like he can "remove restrictions", but I really have no idea what on earth that really means.
EDIT 2: Oh, hay, look! 444 posts. 4 is my favourite number...I think.
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Kudistos Megistos
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I was under the impression that there needs to be quite a big difference in power between two consoles for one to be able to emulate the other. Wasn't that one of the problems with PS2 emulation on the PS3 in the first place? (The other being that the PS2 was still selling fairly well until recently). And I'm going to assume that the PS2 would be easier to emulate on the PS3 than an equally powerful system with different architecture (since they're both PlayStations). I very much doubt we'll ever see 360 emulation on the PS3, especially as some of the parts in the 360 are more powerful than equivalent parts in the PS3 (like the GPU); I mean, even PCs can't emulate it, and modern high end PCs are massively more powerful than the PS3. I'll also imagine that there'll be a lot of suing going on if the PS3 is used for Wii or DS emulation, seeing as they are both current generation consoles :3
FF13 is 38GB, and it's one of the biggest PS3 games out there. In any case, that's far too much for the casual user to download with anything like the same kind of ease with which PC games get downloaded. That's 200 different rar files on rapidshit, (and sod's law says there's always a problem with one of the files), at least 40 rar files on megaupload, or a really huge torrent that Sony or the publishers would probably be able to find with ease, resulting in a lot of people being sued when their IP addresses are caught doing something naughty. Obviously, this isn't as much of a problem with PSP games, which have a maximum size of 1.8 GB, and even less of a problem for DS games, which I think are something like 64-128MB.
That reminds me of something. Why isn't piracy more of a problem for the DS?
The PSP seems to suffer greatly from it, if software sales per hardware sale are anything to go by (I think about 2.5 games are bought for every system: that's ridiculous). The DS, however, doesn't seem to have a problem. That's despite the fact that someone with a pretty crappy download speed can download a 100MB file in about 2 or 3 minutes, AND the DS is the only current-gen system can be emulated; if you want to play pirated PSP games, you have to at least buy a PSP, but if you want to play pirated DS games, you don't have to buy anything. Obviously, the PSP's different target demographic might make it more vulnerable to piracy, and the fact that the DS is a handheld system might reduce the amount of people who want to emulate it on their PC (you lose portability, although you gain a bigger screen size). I'd have thought that piracy would be a huge problem for the DS. Or maybe it is, and its sales would be even higher otherwise. A scary thought!
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Bosola
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I think you answered it yourself. Downloading ROMs and running an emulator (I think NO$GBA is popular) is far easier than patching a ROM, flashing a GBA card and hacking a DS to run the game.
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Kudistos Megistos
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But that would make it an even bigger problem, since then people wouldn't be buying hardware, let alone the software. Of course, it's much harder to measure the impact of piracy when the system can be copied as well...
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Marc
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I'm thinkinb the DS's demographic isn't really into emulation. Brain Age and Nintendogs aren't games I'd like to sit in front of my PC for.
Also, I'd think the dual screen and stylus must be obstacle to system-like emulation.
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Kudistos Megistos
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Yeah, the demographic is probably one of the reasons the problem isn't as obvious on the DS.
I'm not really sure how you'd deal with the stylus, but the dual screen thing could be dealt with by putting a monitor in portrait mode.
Also, I see that PSP emulation is starting to make progress, although not many games are fully playable yet. When they are, Sony might as well give up on the PSP...
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Covarr
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The PS3's architecture is vastly different from the PS2. The only real advantage the PS3 has in emulating the PS2 that other consoles don't have is that the cell processor has a lot of cores, much like the PS2. It's easy to emulate a multithreaded architecture on another multithreaded architecture. But that just means that the PS3 can emulate PS2 better than other systems can, not that it can't emulate GCN or XBOX as well.
However, wasn't the only difference when they completely removed PS2 BC a software thing? I suspect that the PS2 emulator from a CECHE01 model can easily be installed on new PS3s, maybe even slims, so that wouldn't take nearly as long as developing a PS2 emulator from scratch.
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Bosola
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You could well be onto something. The PSP crowd, as a whole, will likely be older and more tech-savvy on average than their DS peers, meaning they'll understand piracy and approach it more often.
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Kudistos Megistos
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I suspect the majority of PSP users are much, much younger than a very significant portion of the DS's fanbase :3
(and probably more tech-savvy than them by an even greater margin) :lol:
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Cupcake
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Or downloading a rom, sticking it on a MicroSD, putting the MicroSD into a DS Flashcart, and letting the flashcart do all the patching for you. Your information is a few years old my friend (no offense intended, I just wanted to make sure all the information in the thread is up to date)
To be honest though, the reason why DS Piracy isn't so big. You need extra hardware, which the layman has no knowledge of. But say, the PS2, PSP, Xbox, or even Xbox 360, for that matter, you don't need extra hardware, and the information is much more common.
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Kudistos Megistos
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He's released his hack now, although it looks like it might not work on the slim 
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Jari
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IMHO, the thing PS3 really needs is an XMBC-like media center solution. One that is developed by an independent 3rd party and as such not tied to Sony's whims about what it can or can not do.
It's nearly ideal for it; it should have enough power to do post processing trickery even on 1080p-content, it has a Blu-ray-drive and it has USB-ports for removable media - all which are somewhat lacking from the original platform of XMBC; the original Xbox.
Then again, it might be too little, too late, considering that even the free media players on PC are now capable of using GPUs for decoding, and there are fairly cheapish dedicated media center devices that can handle 1080p-content.
Still, should such an app appear, I might actually considering getting Fony's black monolith. Otherwise... nah.
It's nearly ideal for it; it should have enough power to do post processing trickery even on 1080p-content, it has a Blu-ray-drive and it has USB-ports for removable media - all which are somewhat lacking from the original platform of XMBC; the original Xbox.
Then again, it might be too little, too late, considering that even the free media players on PC are now capable of using GPUs for decoding, and there are fairly cheapish dedicated media center devices that can handle 1080p-content.
Still, should such an app appear, I might actually considering getting Fony's black monolith. Otherwise... nah.
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Kudistos Megistos
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And if you want all of that on a new PS3, you'll have to wait a little longer, since the hack currently depends on using Other OS, a feature that Sony was nice enough to take out of the slim. :-D
Actually, I can't help but wonder whether this is the reason why they made that little change. No doubt someone at Sony realised that it would help hackers. John Koller's excuse for Sony doing this in the Ars Technica interview seemed ever so slightly unconvincing.
Actually, maybe Sony just thought that making the system attractive to people who aren't likely to play many games on it would be a bad thing seeing as they are still making a loss on hardware and software isn't selling well...
Actually, I can't help but wonder whether this is the reason why they made that little change. No doubt someone at Sony realised that it would help hackers. John Koller's excuse for Sony doing this in the Ars Technica interview seemed ever so slightly unconvincing.
Actually, maybe Sony just thought that making the system attractive to people who aren't likely to play many games on it would be a bad thing seeing as they are still making a loss on hardware and software isn't selling well...
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yoshi314
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many computing clusters are based off linux-capable ps3s. also, various linux enthusiasts bought their ps3s only to use linux with it. that definitely was a big profit problem for sony.
as far as ps2 compatibility removal is concerned i can think of a few good reasons for dropping it.
- various companies have figured out how to press valid ps2 discs.
- swap magic can launch ps2 homebrew on the ps3 - so ps3 was ps3-homebrew capable
- people might try to hack the ps2 emulation mode (actually some of them already figured out several issues with usb/network), and eventually crash it. possible security issue ?
- usb advance and similar tools allowed for ps2 piracy on ps3.
- market is saturated with ps2 games. that means that a person with ps3 might stick to playing their ps2 games for a while. no profit for sony there, since backwards compatible ps3s were produced below profits. and to play the ps2 game you just have to pop in the disk. it's not like psp, where you need to buy your ps1 games AGAIN to play them on the handheld.
i really don't believe that ps3 cannot handle ps2 emulation in software, especially with that awesome multi-core cpu and fast graphics chip. that is definitely fishy.
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