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Kudistos Megistos
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That's what's happening over in the Team Avalanche forum:
https://www.ff7catalog.com/threads/6136/
Progress is slow, since there are so many of the bloody things, but they're looking pretty good now.
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https://www.ff7catalog.com/threads/6136/
Progress is slow, since there are so many of the bloody things, but they're looking pretty good now.
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Amakyusa
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Can someone give me the directions on how make this driver work on FF8?
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sideparker
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is it possible to set the fps limit for battles/world area/etc so that the game will run faster?
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Tekkie.X
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IIRC this was discussed as being possibly but utterly pointless as the animations would be sped up to match the framerate.
Even if you did remove the limit and stopped it affecting the animations it won't look any smoother or faster.
Even if you did remove the limit and stopped it affecting the animations it won't look any smoother or faster.
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sl1982
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The only way this could theoretically make any improvement on the game is if you could make the game not speed up and if you could redo the animations to take into account the extra frames, or somehow interpolate frames in between the frames that are there.
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sideparker
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i see, but what if i actually want the game to speed up?
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sl1982
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Then ask aali if he is willing to implement it.
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Aali
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I am not willing to implement a "turbo button", end of discussion 
I have considered the possibility of interpolating frames, the problem is of course that then you need to wait for two frames before being able to render anything. In battle where frames come in at a measly 15 per second this will translate to approximately a 0.15 second delay before anything you do is visible on the screen. That could really take away from any feeling of a "smoother" experience the interpolation itself would provide. I will experiment with this though, it could be worth the effort.
I have considered the possibility of interpolating frames, the problem is of course that then you need to wait for two frames before being able to render anything. In battle where frames come in at a measly 15 per second this will translate to approximately a 0.15 second delay before anything you do is visible on the screen. That could really take away from any feeling of a "smoother" experience the interpolation itself would provide. I will experiment with this though, it could be worth the effort.
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Mako
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Well I can tell interpolating frames in the FMV didn't do anything. In fact it made them look choppy even with filtering. If it helps.I am not willing to implement a "turbo button", end of discussion
I have considered the possibility of interpolating frames, the problem is of course that then you need to wait for two frames before being able to render anything. In battle where frames come in at a measly 15 per second this will translate to approximately a 0.15 second delay before anything you do is visible on the screen. That could really take away from any feeling of a "smoother" experience the interpolation itself would provide. I will experiment with this though, it could be worth the effort.
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Goku7
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Hey, long time no see. Glad to see how well the custom driver has developed since I last came by here -- the new battle interface is totally sweet. Kudos to Aali. :mrgreen:
My apologies if this was covered already, but I am noticing an intermittant, peculiar error when running this on my Gateway laptop, though. It's graphics chip is a Radeon 7500Mobile, using OmegaDriver 3.8.252 (The newest set that is still compatible with such legacy hardware -- apparently the newer driver cores simply don't work with this), on WinXP SP3. Here's the error:
This happens with both 0.7.5b and 0.7.6b, though with 6b I'm also getting massive frameskips during the movies. Are both errors the result of the (relatively) older drivers, or is this a fixable problem? ???
My apologies if this was covered already, but I am noticing an intermittant, peculiar error when running this on my Gateway laptop, though. It's graphics chip is a Radeon 7500Mobile, using OmegaDriver 3.8.252 (The newest set that is still compatible with such legacy hardware -- apparently the newer driver cores simply don't work with this), on WinXP SP3. Here's the error:
This happens with both 0.7.5b and 0.7.6b, though with 6b I'm also getting massive frameskips during the movies. Are both errors the result of the (relatively) older drivers, or is this a fixable problem? ???
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titeguy3
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The frameskips are an issue that most people seem to be having with the latest version. I've even heard a couple of cases of FF7 just crashing while trying to load an FMV with 0.7.6b.
I've never seen that world map issue before, I'd chalk it up to a driver issue, but Aali might have a better idea...does the APP.LOG file in the FF7 directory give any useful information?
I've never seen that world map issue before, I'd chalk it up to a driver issue, but Aali might have a better idea...does the APP.LOG file in the FF7 directory give any useful information?
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Goku7
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One of the annoying things about intermittent problems is that they never happen when you try to get them on purpose, lol.
Here's an app.log generated when using 6b. The problem happens much more often in this than it does in 5b. Obviously, I use 5b more. :roll:
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On a side note, the Omegadriver version I use is roughly equivalent to the Catalyst 6.6 release, IIRC.
Here's an app.log generated when using 6b. The problem happens much more often in this than it does in 5b. Obviously, I use 5b more. :roll:
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INFO: FF7/FF8 OpenGL driver version 0.7.6bINFO: Auto-detected version: FF7 1.02 US EnglishINFO: ATI Technologies Inc. MOBILITY RADEON 7500 DDR x86/SSE2 1.3.1072 WinXP ReleaseINFO: No OpenGL 2.0 support detected, shaders won't be availableINFO: Found swap_control extensionINFO: Original resolution 640x480, window size 640x480, output resolution 640x480, internal resolution 640x480INFO: FFMpeg movie player plugin loadedINFO: FFMpeg version SVN-r21874, Copyright (c) 2000-2010 Fabrice Bellard, et al.INFO: No shaders, codecs with YUV output will be slow.INFO: FF7Music helper plugin loadedLOCK UNLOCK TEST MATRIX INITIALIZE INITIALIZE DD/D3D END initializing sound...creating dsound primary bufferreading audio fileloading static soundssound initializedset music volume: 127set music volume: 127Entering MAINExiting MAINSTART OF CREDITS!!!INFO: D:\FF7\Movies\eidoslogo.avi; truemotion2/pcm_u8 320x240, 15.000000 FPS, duration: 10.133333, frames: 152set music volume trans: 127->0, step=60GLITCH: video playback is lagging behind, skipping frames (frame #: 50, skipped: 1, lag: 131.666667)GLITCH: video playback is lagging behind, skipping frames (frame #: 51, skipped: 2, lag: 95.000000)GLITCH: video playback is lagging behind, skipping frames (frame #: 53, skipped: 4, lag: 1.666667)GLITCH: video playback is lagging behind, skipping frames (frame #: 57, skipped: 8, lag: 5.000000)GLITCH: video playback is lagging behind, skipping frames (frame #: 65, skipped: 16, lag: 42.666667)GLITCH: skipped 30 framesEND OF CREDITS!!!Entering MAINset music volume: 127Exiting MAINSTART OF MENU SYSTEM!!!ERROR: COULD NOT OPEN FILE C:\Program Files\Square Soft, Inc.\Final Fantasy VII\save/save02.ff7ERROR: COULD NOT OPEN FILE C:\Program Files\Square Soft, Inc.\Final Fantasy VII\save/save03.ff7ERROR: COULD NOT OPEN FILE C:\Program Files\Square Soft, Inc.\Final Fantasy VII\save/save05.ff7ERROR: COULD NOT OPEN FILE C:\Program Files\Square Soft, Inc.\Final Fantasy VII\save/save06.ff7ERROR: COULD NOT OPEN FILE C:\Program Files\Square Soft, Inc.\Final Fantasy VII\save/save08.ff7END OF MENU SYSTEM!!!Entering MAINExiting MAIN-=-=[START OF WORLD MAP!!!]=-=-stop_soundcross play music: 0set music volume trans: 127->0, step=4set music volume: 127stop_soundcross play music: 0set music volume trans: 127->0, step=4set music volume: 127-=-=[END OF WORLD MAP!!!]=-=-START OF MENU SYSTEM!!!WM_CLOSE END OF MENU SYSTEM!!!Field QuitUNINITIALIZE DD END UNINITIALIZE DD
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Mako
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I remember having nothing but problems with that gfx card when setting this game up for a friend. The problem may be that your card does not have a max texture size check and it appears white as does the screen on certain resolution. I don't think there's a fix for windows "Linux maybe" try adjusting the resolution to a lower resolution maybe that will help. Good Luck.
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Goku7
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The card can handle 2k x 2k textures, and last I heard, textures that size were not in use when FF7 was made. Other than that, I'm running the game in its original 640x480 resolution with 4xFSAA. For a game as old as this one, the card can handle the 4xFSAA overhead.
I have gotten the GL:Invalid Value message, so I think this card can't do NPOT (that's Non-Power-of-Two, right?) textures.
I have gotten the GL:Invalid Value message, so I think this card can't do NPOT (that's Non-Power-of-Two, right?) textures.
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Mako
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Nope you are right I was wrong I found your issue on a earlier post (assumed your gfx card supported NPOT textures) sorry I am not able to help.
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Goku7
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Meh, its OK. Looks like I'll have to wait for Aali to see this and give a diagnosis. Right now my money's on the Radeon drivers being the culprit; however, the problem also manifests as having huge areas of the field screens show up white, so maybe its an 8-bit Paletted Textures thing? :|
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Aali
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People are still hung up on 8-bit paletted textures? It hasn't been supported or used for like 10 years now. 1.02 with the nvidia option ticked doesn't even try to use it, the custom driver only ever uses 32-bit BGRA textures. Anyway, it should be a problem with the drivers/graphics card since I have never seen it before and it's not happening to anyone else.
The frameskip problem is a bit weird though, it doesn't happen to me and it seems quite random. If I can't find anything wrong with it I will just make it an opt-in setting.
The frameskip problem is a bit weird though, it doesn't happen to me and it seems quite random. If I can't find anything wrong with it I will just make it an opt-in setting.
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Amakyusa
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I've intalled the aali's driver in ff8.
Everething seems works fine but the internal resolution isn't changing.
The APP.log is as follows:
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INFO: FF7/FF8 OpenGL driver version 0.7.6b
INFO: Auto-detected version: FF8 1.2 US English (Nvidia)
INFO: NVIDIA Corporation GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2 3.2.0
INFO: OpenGL 2.0 support detected
INFO: Found swap_control extension
INFO: Texture compression not supported
INFO: Original resolution 640x480, window size 1152x864, output resolution 1152x864, internal resolution 640x480
INFO: No FBO support, using slow scaling/postprocessing path
MATRIX INITIALIZE
INITIALIZING SOUND...
initializing direct sound
EAXDirectSoundCreate
creating primary buffer
initializing audio data
OK
initializing streaming
SOUND INITIALIZED
DIRECT MUSIC - Enumerating Ports...
PORT 0: Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulado]
GUID={0x59c6b0d6,0x6eff,0x466c,0x96,0xb2,0xc0,0x38,0xc5,0xfb,0x2d,0x73}
PORT 1: Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth [Emulado]
GUID={0xe7e7fddf,0x9906,0x4bcf,0xa3,0x6,0xf9,0x4b,0x83,0xcf,0x7b,0xa8}
PORT 2: Microsoft Synthesizer
GUID={0x58c2b4d0,0x46e7,0x11d1,0x89,0xac,0x0,0xa0,0xc9,0x5,0x41,0x29}
Creating Port1...
Microsoft Synthesizer
Port1 supports XG data
BinkClose
SdMusicPlay ()
sd_music_play (number=0, song_id=79, volume=0)
midi_play...
Stopping Performance
Loading DLS...
Playing Segment
midi_play successful
WM_CLOSE
Releasing Performance...
Releasing Loader...
Releasing Port1...
Releasing DirectMusic interface...
Releasing COM...
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Any ideas?
Thx in advance.
EDIT: I Figured out....since the window resolutions isn't a multiple of the original resolution (both x and y should be at leas => than 1280x960), it can't multiply...I was using 1152x864.
Just configured the windows size to 1280x1024 and everything works fine.....
Everething seems works fine but the internal resolution isn't changing.
The APP.log is as follows:
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INFO: FF7/FF8 OpenGL driver version 0.7.6b
INFO: Auto-detected version: FF8 1.2 US English (Nvidia)
INFO: NVIDIA Corporation GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2 3.2.0
INFO: OpenGL 2.0 support detected
INFO: Found swap_control extension
INFO: Texture compression not supported
INFO: Original resolution 640x480, window size 1152x864, output resolution 1152x864, internal resolution 640x480
INFO: No FBO support, using slow scaling/postprocessing path
MATRIX INITIALIZE
INITIALIZING SOUND...
initializing direct sound
EAXDirectSoundCreate
creating primary buffer
initializing audio data
OK
initializing streaming
SOUND INITIALIZED
DIRECT MUSIC - Enumerating Ports...
PORT 0: Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulado]
GUID={0x59c6b0d6,0x6eff,0x466c,0x96,0xb2,0xc0,0x38,0xc5,0xfb,0x2d,0x73}
PORT 1: Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth [Emulado]
GUID={0xe7e7fddf,0x9906,0x4bcf,0xa3,0x6,0xf9,0x4b,0x83,0xcf,0x7b,0xa8}
PORT 2: Microsoft Synthesizer
GUID={0x58c2b4d0,0x46e7,0x11d1,0x89,0xac,0x0,0xa0,0xc9,0x5,0x41,0x29}
Creating Port1...
Microsoft Synthesizer
Port1 supports XG data
BinkClose
SdMusicPlay ()
sd_music_play (number=0, song_id=79, volume=0)
midi_play...
Stopping Performance
Loading DLS...
Playing Segment
midi_play successful
WM_CLOSE
Releasing Performance...
Releasing Loader...
Releasing Port1...
Releasing DirectMusic interface...
Releasing COM...
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Any ideas?
Thx in advance.
EDIT: I Figured out....since the window resolutions isn't a multiple of the original resolution (both x and y should be at leas => than 1280x960), it can't multiply...I was using 1152x864.
Just configured the windows size to 1280x1024 and everything works fine.....
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Changeling
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I don't believe I had ever emulated FFVII, so I gave it a shot. And wow, the backgrounds are beautiful, but of course there is no Z-buffer so the 3D animation jumps around, you know what I mean.
But it gave me an idea. What exactly is the 'Screen Smooth' filter in Pete's D3D plugin? It just blurs the image a little bit. It's no Bi-linear or 2XSai or anything like that. Could we use this method? Everything won't be as clear but it will blur and smooth out the pixelated backgrounds.
As for your driver Aali. The linear filtering option is the only way to remove the pixelation in 3D on my machine. And the battle swirl is real slow. I have an ATI x800 with a crappy OpenGL driver. I installed the latest Catalyst, 10. something.
But my biggest question is and I've asked this before, why can't we do this in Direct3D instead of OpenGL? It's more compatible, everyone could use it.
But it gave me an idea. What exactly is the 'Screen Smooth' filter in Pete's D3D plugin? It just blurs the image a little bit. It's no Bi-linear or 2XSai or anything like that. Could we use this method? Everything won't be as clear but it will blur and smooth out the pixelated backgrounds.
As for your driver Aali. The linear filtering option is the only way to remove the pixelation in 3D on my machine. And the battle swirl is real slow. I have an ATI x800 with a crappy OpenGL driver. I installed the latest Catalyst, 10. something.
But my biggest question is and I've asked this before, why can't we do this in Direct3D instead of OpenGL? It's more compatible, everyone could use it.
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Goku7
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Yes, that is correct; however, I figured that FF7 originally used it, that it meant some texture data was stored that way, which would mean your driver would have to interpret it or something -- I was just throwin' it out there as a shot in the dark. 8)
That's certainly a format the Radeon7500Mobile can handle. The thing's got 64mb VRAM, so its not like its running out of texture memory either. It also happens with and without FSAA.
That's what I suspected, but I had wanted to rule out any other cause. As I've said, the drivers are quite old -- equivalent to the 6.6 Catalyst, I think. Newer driver sets simply won't support the hardware, its too old. That's what I get for having a hand me down laptop, I guess.
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