FF7 PC 2012: Chocobo Racing prizes?

[huhbum]

Hi there,

I've been playing a lot of FF7 lately and I ran into an interesting version difference between the PSX and PC(2012 re-release version) of FF7. After scouring the internet and e-mailing various FAQ writers, I'm still stumped, so I figured I'd ask the PC experts, which is you guys!

(Forgive me if this has already been answered before, but I did a quick search on these forums and didn't come up with anything.)

But yeah, in a nutshell, I've(after hours of going nuts doing Chocobo Square racing) discovered that the prize tables for races, at least as far as C and B class races are concerned, are different in the PC(2012) version. I made a mini-podcast about it on my YouTube channel, which you can watch here if you like:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr-4HSjQyTM

The video is kind of long and not that exciting, so the basic TLR of it is: the prizes differ, at least in C and B class, from version to version as well as potentially disc to disc, not only in the prizes offered but also their rarity.

Most notably of these differences is that Megalixir is available in the lower classes on the PC version, while certain items such as Hero Drink don't appear on the PC version until Disc 2, and even then only as a rare item. While the PSX version correctly orders item rarity by GP value, in the PC version the item rarity seems all out of whack(a 20 GP item in Antarctic Wind only appears as a rare item in PC 2012, whereas a 300 GP item like Megalixir can appear as a common item).

Anyway, I realize that my information is far from complete, but I still wanted to ask around and see if anyone knew why the versions differ! So if any of you guys could shed some light on this mystery, I'd be much obliged!

Thanks!

-huhbum

 

[nfitc1]

The racing prizes of '97 were buggy. Things weren't labeled correctly and reported incorrectly once won. There are only about 30 - 40 things you could win and few of them were worth getting the prize over the GP it offered.

That said it would not shock me at all if the whole rewarding system was re-written to both include more items and make things more rare.

 

[Tenko Kuugen]

I overhauled that entire thing for Nightmare so I can tell you that the rewards are the same between the 1998 and 2012 versions minus the horrible mistranslations and eventually some rarity changes ( doubtful. they touched pretty much nothing in the entire game and this would be a very odd area to improve upon )

I'm not sure how much they messed up the script compared to the PSX version though

 

[huhbum]

Thanks for the replies! I didn't know the original PC version was like that. That at least sheds some light on the differences if they stem from the original.

I'm not sure how much they messed up the script compared to the PSX version though

This is what I found so far(sorry for the bad formatting, it's a copy/paste from my .txt FAQ:

-C CLASS-

(PSX NTSC VERSION)             (PC 2012 VERSION)

Potion                                     ---
Hi-Potion                                Hi-Potion
Phoenix Down                        Phoenix Down
Hyper                                     Hyper
Tranquilizer                            Tranquilizer
Fire Fang                                Fire Fang
Ether                                      ---
Antarctic Wind                        ---
Bolt Plume                              ---
---                                          Ice Crystal
---                                          Turbo Ether
---                                          Megalixir


-B CLASS-

(PSX NTSC VERSION)             (PC 2012 VERSION)

---                                             Potion
Hi-Potion                                  Hi-Potion
Phoenix Down                          Phoenix Down
Hyper                                       Hyper
Tranquilizer                              Tranquilizer
Hero Drink(common)                Hero Drink(DISC 2/3 ONLY, rare only)
Fire Fang                                  Fire Fang
Ether                                        ---
Antarctic Wind(common)          Antarctic Wind(rare only)
Bolt Plume                                ---
---*                                          Ice Crystal
---                                            Swift Bolt
Turbo Ether(rare only)             Turbo Ether(can appear as common)
Elixir(rare only)                        ---
---                                            Megalixir(can appear as common)
'Enemy Away'(DISC 2/3 ONLY)    ---

(I don't have data on A/S class yet.)

*Ice Crystal appears as a valid item in most FAQs in B-Class but I could not get one to appear in testing.

When I get around to testing A/S class as well on both versions, I'll fill in the missing info.

Thanks!

 

[huhbum]

OK! After another eon of testing, I finished testing A and S-CLASS races too. I'm going to make another mini-podcast about it, but before I do that(in the next couple days) I figured I'd throw the info here and see what you guys think.

-A CLASS-
 
(PSX NTSC VERSION)             (PC 2012 VERSION)
 
---                                          Potion
Hi-Potion                                ---
Phoenix Down                       Phoenix Down
---                                          Hyper
---                                          Tranquilizer
Hero Drink(common)             Hero Drink(rare only)
Fire Fang                               Fire Fang
Ether(common)                     Ether(rare only)
Antarctic Wind(common)       Antarctic Wind(rare only)
Bolt Plume(common)             Bolt Plume(rare only)
Ice Crystal                            Ice Crystal
Fire Veil                                 ---
Swift Bolt                              ---
Elixir(rare only)                     ---
---                                        Megalixir(common)
Counter Attack(rare only)    Counter Attack(rare only)
Sneak Attack(rare only)       Sneak Attack(common)
Enemy Away(rare only)        Enemy Away(common)
Cat's Bell(rare only)             Cat's Bell(common)
Sprint Shoes(rare only)       Sprint Shoes(rare only)
 
 
-S CLASS-
 
(PSX NTSC VERSION)             (PC 2012 VERSION)
 
---                                         Potion
Phoenix Down                      Phoenix Down
Hero Drink(common)             Hero Drink(rare only)
Bolt Plume(common)             Bolt Plume(rare only)
---                                         Ether(rare only)
---                                         Antarctic Wind(rare only)
Ice Crystal                            ---
Fire Veil                                 ---
Swift Bolt                             Swift Bolt
Turbo Ether                          ---
Elixir(rare only)                    Elixir(rare only)
Megalixir(rare only)             Megalixir(common)
Precious Watch(rare only)   Precious Watch(rare only)
Counter Attack(rare only)   Counter Attack(rare only)
Sneak Attack(rare only)      Sneak Attack(common)
Enemy Away(rare only)       Enemy Away(common)
Chocobracelet(rare only)    Chocobracelet(rare only)
Magic Counter(rare only)    Magic Counter(rare only)
Cat's Bell(rare only)            Cat's Bell(common)
Sprint Shoes(rare only)       Sprint Shoes(rare only)

Sorry about the formatting again. In any case, based on these results I found a pattern, which I deduced based on the data I found. Here's a pastebin link to the mini-FAQ(still a work in progress, this is first draft) that I came up with:

http://pastebin.com/G5qp0SPK

TLR version of it: It seems like each prize slot in the PSX version corresponds with a prize slot in the PC version, with a few slight anomalies. I mapped them out as best I could, but yeah, whoever put the prize list together in the PC version did some real funky stuff with it.

In any case, I'm not sure if any of this stuff interests you guys, but there it is. Feel free to take this info and run with it if you feel like it!

-hb

EDIT: finished the podcast! It's pretty long, and the TLR stuff is all more or less here in this thread, but here's the link anyway:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=p82X93U9_o4