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On 2001-12-27 17:22, Jari Huttunen wrote:
It seems OK. Although I don't recall seeing WIndoze running without using page file _at all_ it might very well be possible with that much memory. I always use fixed size for page file, so that might have something to do with me not seeing that kind of situation. :D
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It's fine.  I got the same thing too, after booting my system for the first time after my big upgrade.  My dad was like, "Uh, it didn't use the swap file.  Did we break something?"

So yeah, a 0 meg page file is possible.
[edited] 239 2001-12-27 22:37
 
Jari: Yes, 'tis to do with the halt command (well, HLT, since you aren't allowed to have an assembler code that's actually a *word* :D ) which DOS doesn't have.

***Off topic but informative rant***

When the computer isn't doing anything, it's supposed to issue HLT commands, which just temporarily (we're talking microseconds) pause the CPU. If the computer is doing *literally* nothing, a lot of the instructions issued will be HLT's, and the CPU will "not be running", and cools down.
A modern O/S is supposed to run HLT's when it's got nothing else to do. That's why CPU temperature can vary with what you're doing; when the system's lightly loaded, the O/S is issueing HLT's during the spare time which allow the CPU to cool down ever so slightly.
IIRC NT series OS's (ie. NT, 2K, XP...) do this. Win9X doesn't but you can get programs like Rain that do it for you, which is what I do. DOS, OTOH, doesn't have any such thing, so in pure DOS mode, the processor is always in 100% full usage, since when DOS isn't doing anything else, it just loops constantly, and never tells the CPU (via a HLT) that it isn't doing anything important so it could cool off now.

***End rant***
 
Like I said before....I have a 1.2 Athlon (rev C). And my temp never goes above 50, and I haven't had any problems with it. I've heard that the Athlons start doing wierd things when they hit a temp of 60C. but it won't fry until you hit a temp of about 95C. Put that new heatsink on and see what happens.....you really don't want to see that temp over 50C. Actually the temps that are perfered are in the 30's. (usually a Delta fan is needed for these temps, with one of those GlobalWin heatsinks...and they are not quiet.)

It's probably a cooling problem, more than anything else. Just keep in mind, a heatsink can only get the chip as cool as the case. If the case temp is at 40C or something......you need better air-circulation. Cheapest way to do this is to buy some 60mm or 30mm Case fans...and start drilling holes in the case. (but you need a good quality PSU to keep up, with the extra fans...at least 300watt non-generic.)

Athlons are finicky. They like pure juice, and they like pure memory. And the cooler they are, the less finicky they get. (kinda like me)

Don't worry about the V-ram.  That was an old rememdy for the World Map crash, problem....actually I don't think I've heard that complaint in a long time....I just threw it out there, because it worked in the past.

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If you want a reliable case, and you don't mind spending about a 100+ dollars for it. I would recommend the Antec 1040. Really, I think the 1030 will be fine, its a lot cheaper than the 1040. But the 1030 (Antec 300watt) isn't on AMD's recommended list, only the 400watt version is. I'm sure it's just an oversite. Antec's PSU are real good.

But really, as long as you see the Powersupply on the AMD's  webpage, and the Case looks nice and roomy, and comes with a few case fans (or at least openings for some, 4 is good)...you should be Okay.  

The only ones I can really comment on are the 1030/40, and maybe the 830/40. the 1030 and 1040 are exactly the same, except for the PSU that it comes with.....and the 830/40 is basicly a 1030/40 without the front door, and minus an internal drive holder.  (you can see it in the pics).

Antec 1030:
http://www.kdcomputers.com/exec/productProfile?id=16
(the forth fan is right in front on the harddrive holder...nothing better than a little extra Harddrive cooling.)

Antec 830:
http://www.kdcomputers.com/exec/productProfile?id=18
(The harddrive holder is missing, in front of that forth fan)

type "antec" in the search, to see all of them:
http://www.kdcomputers.com/

I'm sure there are hundreds of  cases that are just as good or better (The Aluminum Cases are getting real popular)....but the Antec1030 is what I have, so it's the only one I can recommend.
[edited] 65 2001-12-28 00:52
 
About power. My Dad's going on about 300W will cost loads more to run than my current one, i believe 200W. I expect it won't be much more.

Also, I read that a case should be room temperature. I've had my PC running 15 mins and my CPU is 45oC, case is 35oC. Don't forget my case side is removed with my AMD underclocked by 366mhz.

I think I need one, what do you lot think?

-Dan
 
No, it won't. I'm 99% sure that the power rating on a PSU is the *maximum* it can output, not that it always does.

In other words, if you're drawing 200W to run your PC, you could use either a 200W PSU or a 300W PSU and they'd both use just as much electricity - the 300W simply wouldn't be drawing it's maximum. It shouldn't draw the full 300W unless your components are actually *using* 300W of power.

Case won't be room temperature, often, since the heat from the CPU has to go *somewhere* ... and while your fans should circulate air through to move the heat out into the room, unless you've got an optimal setup, there always will be some heat lingering around in the case.

35oC seems a *bit* warm for a case with no cover, but since the CPU's only 45oC - and that's perfectly safe - I wouldn't worry. >60 would be worry time. 50-60 is "keep an eye on it", under 50 is great. At least, that's how I judge temperatures.
 
So where does the extra power go if it's only using, say, 200 watts from a 300 watt PSU?
 
It doesn't draw it. It only takes 200W from the electricity supply, I think. The wattage rating is a maximum, not what it always uses regardless.
 
I see.

I thought it drew the full 300 watts, then stored the excess in the PSU somehow.
 
The only thing I can add is that.....

200Watts is TOO low for an Athlon....especially an XP Athlon. You want a minimum of a 300watt PSU. 400Watt would be perferred, but may be overkill.
 
Hmm... I have one of those red "switches" on the back of my case... I wonder if I'll get better performance if i flip it... Right now it's set to 115 or something like that. The other setting is 230, but I don't think my computer boots when it's at that setting...

Sephiroth 3D

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I hope you're joking... That switch is for input voltage, set depending on your country's electrical standards.
 
Well... here's an interesting story... I'd just finished moving or upgrading my computer (I don't remember which). I got it hooked up, turned it on, and nothing. Not even the fans turned on. I must of spent hours trying to figure out what was wrong. Finally, I turned the computer around and looked carefully at the back,a nd that's when I noticed that that switch had gotten flipped. I flipped it back, and the computer booted with no problems.

The lesson? If your computer won't boot, make sure the switch is set  properly before spending hours agonizing over your non-booting computer. :)

Sephiroth 3D

"I don't understand..." "You don't have to understand." - Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within

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Goodness, you're damn darn lucky.
My friend's baby sister flipped the switch without him knowing and his PSU went on a one way ticket to hell.
 
ive switched mine before and it worked fine..... interesting.....
 
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