[FF7] Qhimm Catalog 3.0 Reports / Requests

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Thanks for the clarifications even those that weren't asked but helped as well, ill ask segachief on nt dialogue part, and my q for you is, 1) can you and if yes 2)when - patch them?
This is in no way a pressure to rush you, just a practical q so i know if i wait it up if its soon or play it off as it is if not.
Ultimately i may just follow your advice and play nt above r03 when 2.0 is released and bear w minor discrepancies. ;-)
 
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You unfortunately won't be able to play NT 1.35 above R03e for Catalog 2.0. The kernels and scene.bin won't be patched correctly for the scene look-up table, so you'll end up with wrong encounters in battle. I've already contacted NF1TC1 and he's looking over my patch files now. Hopefully we can get a solution soon, and if we do, I can make a Catalog 2.1 patch for it.
 
Hey Alyza

i really like 7th heaven alot more better now than with tifa bootleg mod

because with tifa bootleg mod, people had to wait a long time for it to finish setting up everything
 
Thanks for your great work! quite excited to see it coming all-together :D :D :D

As a mere curiosity, I was revising the Reunion mod parts and thinking what parts and version will be included in the new catalog 2.0,
to know which ones would need to be updated and which ones are installed through other existing mods. Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I get things will be like this once 2.0 is out:

1. BEACAUSE -> Included in catalog 2.0 R03e-> will need patch to R04x (hopefully not too complicated)
2. MENU ENHANCEMENT-> Included partially(completely?) in catalog 2.0 with fonts/textures of R03e (patch needed to R04x?)
3. 60FPS BATTLES-> Not possible to use from 7H and no alternatives from other mods
4. WEAPON -> Not included because still needs a lot of development (I guess)
5. MODEL OVERHAUL -> Not included but models can be replaced by other mods (not sure if all of  the Reunion are covered by your catalog but they seem enough to me)
6. PATCHES -> Included partially (completely?) in catalog 2.0 under tweaks and cheats (Not sure about faster deaths and shades)
 
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I don't know if it's possible to combine NT with Reunion without doing it manually. Too many elements from encounter tables to game scripts are likely different; too different for a tool to be able to patch them together cleanly because it won't know what to keep and what to overwrite.

Here's an example, Oleary mentioned NT's Beginner's Hall. A lot of the tutorials there in the default game, I find, are completely redundant. They cover things like how to Save your game, and worse than that a chunk of them are delivered in the slow-ass Menu tutorial format. So for NT, I changed all of these to explain game mechanics that cover things I usually got asked during my challenge runs, etc. Things like how damage mitigation from Sadness/Back-Row works, ATB settings and their advantages/drawbacks, how Natural Dex vs. Boosted Dex works; stuff like that. I also turned them into normal text boxes, instead of Menu tutorials. The other tutorials that do use normal text boxes in the default game were changed too; and some of the explanations, like for elements vs. enemy types in NT, needed an extra box or two.

Now our tool comes along with Reunion text & scripts to inject. First off, the triggers for the Menu tutorials are gone so that translated text is lost already, except it'll translate the names of the tutorial options themselves which means when you pick, say, the explanation on Saving you'll get the extra NT text talking about ATB settings instead. The other tutorials will be worse; if there's additional text boxes, then you'll get the translated text followed by an extra text box or two from NT that's talking about something else entirely; in short, it won't make a lot of sense.

I think that'd generally be the problem; just a disconnect between what the mods do. Reunion translates the text, NT repurposes it instead. There's going to be a lot of overlap that only a manual edit can navigate cleanly.
 
Thx segachief for pre answering my questions. Well then does that mean that even present 7h with nt + separate r03 install will be as sega chief described? If yes then it's either waiting for that 2.1 patch or giving up nt or r03 in 2.0.
 
Thanks for your great work! quite excited to see it coming all-together :D :D :D

As a mere curiosity, I was revising the Reunion mod parts and thinking what parts and version will be included in the new catalog 2.0,
to know which ones would need to be updated and which ones are installed through other existing mods. Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I get things will be like this once 2.0 is out:

1. BEACAUSE -> Included in catalog 2.0 R03e-> will need patch to R04x (hopefully not too complicated)
2. MENU ENHANCEMENT-> Included partially(completely?) in catalog 2.0 with fonts/textures of R03e (patch needed to R04x?)
3. 60FPS BATTLES-> Not possible to use from 7H and no alternatives from other mods
4. WEAPON -> Not included because still needs a lot of development (I guess)
5. MODEL OVERHAUL -> Not included but models can be replaced by other mods (not sure if all of  the Reunion are covered by your catalog but they seem enough to me)
6. PATCHES -> Included partially (completely?) in catalog 2.0 under tweaks and cheats (Not sure about faster deaths and shades)
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1. Correct, and I hope it won't. Have to look at it first.
2. R03e is included completely. R04x is a separate mod to R03x, in which it fixes the original game's menu/fonts. I'd have to look at it first before I can say if it could be added.
3. It's not possible from the standalone mod: https://www.ff7catalog.com/threads/7035/ --- The  Reunion battle speed is in the current Catalog, but it's old (R02x I believe). I can look at what's new in R04x.
4. It won't be looked at until development is finished.
5. Not needed as all his options should be in the Catalog.
6. R02x Patches are spread out across multiple categories in the Catalog. I will look at R03x and R04x Patches and see what could be added/updated to the Catalog.

Thx segachief for pre answering my questions. Well then does that mean that even present 7h with nt + separate r03 install will be as sega chief described? If yes then it's either waiting for that 2.1 patch or giving up nt or r03 in 2.0.
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I asked SC to chime in because I felt he could explain the details in more depth than I could possibly understand. I knew that kind of scenario would happen, and probably quite often, I just don't know when because I've not played NT all the way through yet (can't wait to try it!). There won't be a patch for it in 2.1 at this point, as I'm convinced that the game will be an utter mess if attempted with automated tools. I, for one, do not have the time to do it manually. In fact, I don't think anyone would because it would require an insurmountable amount of work for just one or two people to do it. If you think about it, The Reunion and New Threat have both been in production for YEARS, so the manually work required to patch them together would...well, you get how long that may be :P
 
Hahaha decade or two. :'( A shame as that would be the ultimate icing on the cake.
 
Will this update include the auction mod, the one that uses the event section in the Gold Saucer.
 
As far as I know, Cloudiar never released this mod. Can't very well be included if it was never released in the first place.
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Really, that sucks I genuinely thought it was released. Sorry about that :-[ should of researched a bit better.
 
Really, that sucks I genuinely thought it was released. Sorry about that :-[ should of researched a bit better.
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Looks kind of interesting, I remember they had an AH in ff9 too, it'd be cool if they added something like that in the remake. As long as it's in game items and not real life micro transactions or dlc for items...knowing Square and other gaming companies today...

What I would really like to see in a mod is the  ff7 GFS retextured I saw some video where the guy ripped the models from ff10, Shiva looked gorgeous.
 
Really, that sucks I genuinely thought it was released. Sorry about that :-[ should of researched a bit better.
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I think it was released at some point in a VII OVA Remake pack at Cloudiar website (http://ffvii.mooo.com) but the site is down, and couldn't find any mirrors looking at spanish pages, so the only chance would be to find anyone who still has it or contact him to re-upload it.
 
Ok so ive tried new game with 7h+nt(iro game story) + r03 exe installer, just to see what goes. It appears that nt part is working perfectly, in the beginners hall nt stuff is shown correctly(loaded previously saved game played wo nt mod), as in the YouTube video "new threat mod 1.3 (anti-anima) ep 1- a threatening start" around 34th minute, the tutorial in my game is the same as in video tutorial. The game is nt faithfull u till i beat scorpion 2nd time, didnt go further.
On the other hand ive seen many dialogues ingame so far (started great glacier in disc 2) and there is definitely a lot of changes in dialogue, presumably from r03. Few glitches such as game crashing when i enter sleeping man in the cave north of fort condor (with this install set but wo active nt mod), or not being able to get a second beta from zolom (when he hits yuffie with his tail she freezes and any action i take w other characters freezes commands and game just hangs - this also wo active nt mod), but overall its mostly smooth sailing. :-/
Maybe this will work as is...? Will reinstall to see if those glitches dissappear if yes it will be great. Maybe it would work even better w 2.0 who knows...
Edit: well sleeping man cave still crashes. Cant confirm zolom bug bc he flushes me out of battle, suppose it would also stay the same with present setup.
Maybe try full clean and reinstall all to see if it sorts those bugs.
Edit 2: It could be that it works so well bc r03 is installed and then nt is loaded via 7h on top of it? Just thinking aloud. It may serve some purpose to someone here.
 
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Ok so ive tried new game with 7h+nt(iro game story) + r03 exe installer, just to see what goes. It appears that nt part is working perfectly, in the beginners hall nt stuff is shown correctly(loaded previously saved game played wo nt mod), as in the YouTube video "new threat mod 1.3 (anti-anima) ep 1- a threatening start" around 34th minute, the tutorial in my game is the same as in video tutorial. The game is nt faithfull u till i beat scorpion 2nd time, didnt go further.
On the other hand ive seen many dialogues ingame so far (started great glacier in disc 2) and there is definitely a lot of changes in dialogue, presumably from r03. Few glitches such as game crashing when i enter sleeping man in the cave north of fort condor (with this install set but wo active nt mod), or not being able to get a second beta from zolom (when he hits yuffie with his tail she freezes and any action i take w other characters freezes commands and game just hangs - this also wo active nt mod), but overall its mostly smooth sailing. :-/
Maybe this will work as is...? Will reinstall to see if those glitches dissappear if yes it will be great. Maybe it would work even better w 2.0 who knows...
Edit: well sleeping man cave still crashes. Cant confirm zolom bug bc he flushes me out of battle, suppose it would also stay the same with present setup.
Maybe try full clean and reinstall all to see if it sorts those bugs.
Edit 2: It could be that it works so well bc r03 is installed and then nt is loaded via 7h on top of it? Just thinking aloud. It may serve some purpose to someone here.
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Well you also have to keep in mind, if you've never played the Pc version before like me that the PC game script is different than the Ps1, when I first installed New Threat I thought I had reunion somehow because I didn't realize they changed the script for PC a bit, like I said Segachief also altered the script a bit it seems too. So if you are remembering the ps1 script it will be quite different just with PC version and New Threat, even without Reunion.

http://thelifestream.net/ffvii-the-original/ffvii-version-guide/ps-english-versus-pc-english/

Scroll a bit down to see what I mean.
 
Hahaha you dawg you! That very tiny thought occured to me and vanished as fast as it came but yiu just said it. :-) so the only thing I got from r03 is different menu!? Strawberry strawberry and double strawberry! Marshmallows and lollipops! :O
Ok olearyf you really are an eyeopener. I believe i bought steam version bc of you in the first place as well. ;-) thx. Then there are no qs on that anymore. I gues even that great mo in r03 is not possible to get separately to combine with nt? Since the iros version of mo is not working i guess ill just play nt and be done with it, wait up for 2.0. Troubles is over. I was just about to reinstall the whole setup, just save me the trouble.
 
hey Alyza

is catalog 2.0 gonna be released by today

and keep up the great work
 
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