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It is time we have a uniform language.... ENGLISH!
[FF7PC-98] Beacause - FF7 Retranslation (Merged into Reunion, use that instead)
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It is time we have a uniform language.... ENGLISH!
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Thanks for the chance, 
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I started looking over the item names, like you asked, and just finished looking over the weapons.
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, and I'm sorry it didn't work out.I started looking over the item names, like you asked, and just finished looking over the weapons.
Hope that helps,
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Where was he educated?
No. But he grew up a poor coal miner, regardless of his race. I'd expect him and Dyne to have a similar manner of speaking.
I'm not crazy about the way he talks in Baskett's translation either, but I hardly think HE'S the one who made him into Mr. T. I mean, LOOK at the guy.
And aside from his physical appearance, he is most certainly an Angry Black Man. That's got unfortunate connotations too -- of course, the difference between an Angry Black Man and a black man who happens to be angry is open to considerable interpretation.
I'm all for not having him talk like Mr. T or any other kind of stereotype, and he certainly shouldn't be stupid. But "educated" might take it a bit too far. Self-educated, maybe? He strikes me as the sort of guy who's probably cracked a few philosophy books, studied a bit of history. I imagine him throwing down Loveless after the first two pages, though.
Dunno. Food for thought.
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Thank you!
Vincent:
Shortbarrel > ランダル > Randaru > Randall (third link is right, but it's probably directly from The Magnificent Seven)
Supershot ST/ High Blow ST > ハイブロウST > Haiburou ST > High Standard (another Steve McQueen gun, High Standard FLITE KING, it looks similar but the game's version has a custom grip, like a mossberg's)
It does not say high standard though
It says Highbrow
As for Barrett, when I say educated I mean to a point. I mean not a dumb ass. I do not mean he is going to become kasparov. I think what we have done already bears that out.
Fairy Tail makes no sense, as tail is from an animal or something with a tail, whereas fairy tale is spelled differently. Very unlikely tail.
If it was nix, it would still be ogrenix and not snow, since the mythology stays in tact. I will look into nyx vs nix
I will add that explanation but Hairpin is a better localisation. In this case, hair Ornament is pretty unworkable.
Maybe this needs changing... but work glove can be anything really... that's the problem.
Vincent:
Shortbarrel > ランダル > Randaru > Randall (third link is right, but it's probably directly from The Magnificent Seven)
Supershot ST/ High Blow ST > ハイブロウST > Haiburou ST > High Standard (another Steve McQueen gun, High Standard FLITE KING, it looks similar but the game's version has a custom grip, like a mossberg's)
It does not say high standard though
It says Highbrow As for Barrett, when I say educated I mean to a point. I mean not a dumb ass. I do not mean he is going to become kasparov. I think what we have done already bears that out.
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I always thought that staff made the tail of the fairy. Fairies in Japan sometimes have tails, . Fairy Tale works fine, .
Yeah, that sword name seems to be a mystery. Ogre is interchangeable in Japan with Giant or Ogre or Demon in English. Ogrenics or Ogre Nix make the most sense to me. It could be "made from the body of an ogre", based on a misspelled pronunciation of 肉体, nikutai. The original incarnation of the weapon was only received from ogres. Simply "Ogre Killer", using Nix as "to cancel out". Nix as "Snow", since it's generally found on mountains or in snow villages. It could be Nyx for night/beauty, since they seem to put a lot of effort into making it look good when they give it the name.
Yeah, Highbrow ST is probably a name based on its coolness factor, 8). ST is probably Japanese shorthand for standard but not necessarily. The High Standard range of guns is probably where it got its name.
I have some more suggestions after researching the names up to Limit Breaks.
. Fairy Tale works fine, .Yeah, that sword name seems to be a mystery. Ogre is interchangeable in Japan with Giant or Ogre or Demon in English. Ogrenics or Ogre Nix make the most sense to me. It could be "made from the body of an ogre", based on a misspelled pronunciation of 肉体, nikutai. The original incarnation of the weapon was only received from ogres. Simply "Ogre Killer", using Nix as "to cancel out". Nix as "Snow", since it's generally found on mountains or in snow villages. It could be Nyx for night/beauty, since they seem to put a lot of effort into making it look good when they give it the name.
Yeah, Highbrow ST is probably a name based on its coolness factor, 8). ST is probably Japanese shorthand for standard but not necessarily. The High Standard range of guns is probably where it got its name.
I have some more suggestions after researching the names up to Limit Breaks.
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The Kana doesn't match at all....? Any source to show same kana with name?
Space is limited so had to go with Cheap and Revised. Revised is literal too.
lit. Southern polar wind. I am not sure if Gale has other kanji. One for luksy.
Well you may have finally sussed where that comes from... originally from latin: morbus : sickness, disease, illness. It could still be morbor though.... Morbo is also directly used in Italian and Spanish.
Kana does not match....
I'd think Karaka tree is much more likely (like carob tree)... however if true it could be caraca assuming sound is same. Will see what luksy says.
I will pass that to luksy, but given we had rutile, I thought it would be plausible for Mimetite as the kana is a dead match also.
Cool. I will use that, we have nothing else to go on and sounds plausible.
All the dictionaries I have do not allow for plum however, luksy is better qualified to say on this...
Another for luksy. Looks like you are right though! And I am not sure how I missed that....
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Personally i find the explanation that it's just a variation on ノルスポル far more simple.
Again the easiest explanation is 南極 Antartica 風 wind, there are plenty of more obvious ways to write "cold wind" 冷風, 寒風 etc.
Plausible, although the final ル is odd in that case, imho I think it's onomatopoeia, or possibly based on something like 漏る放る
It's a nod to Chogokin figures.
I would have though curly would have just been カーリー
ルチル and ミメット are both minerals, I don't think it's a coincidence.
プラム is plum, although I suppose it could be a deliberate change.
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The only change which needs making is "Miracle Greens". The possible origin of Morbor will be added.
I will look into nix and fairy tail and work glove.
Some important stuff raised there, including 1 major correction. Thank you. Ragnarok is added to credits. Don;t hesitate to bring anything else up, especially monster names marked in green or pink
I will look into nix and fairy tail and work glove.
Some important stuff raised there, including 1 major correction. Thank you. Ragnarok is added to credits. Don;t hesitate to bring anything else up, especially monster names marked in green or pink
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Cool, 8).
Here's my reasoning for the origin of Knowlespole:
ノールズ is definitely Knolls, there's a Knolls Hotel transliterated into katakana like that. Pole also has an elongated o, ポール, whereas Pol is shortened to ポル, since pol directly means either magnetic pole, electrical pole, or geography related (possibly landmark, or known location). The letters "or" are almost always converted as an elongated o sound. Porch, north, forth, horn, fork, etc. ズ is usually used for a S sound at the end of a word like Coors, doors, etc.
The direct word, as it is written in katakana, would definitely be Knolspol, but it doesn't make much sense since knol means turnip or bulge or workhorse, only in Dutch. I'm sure the original creator took "knowles", a common Celtic name, and dropped the elongated o sound to differentiate it from north when combining it with pol, a common Celtic word, to make Knowlespol. Knowlespol translates as something like "homeland of/at the knoll", lit. dwelling at a geographic knoll.
There's an even stronger link that it's Celtic since "Cetra" is based on a Celtic word, and their beliefs are based entirely on Celtic reconstructionist teachings. Being that some members of the Final Fantasy team were fans of Irish/Celtic words/songs, I'm pretty confident it's related.
Antarctic Wind:
Yeah, 風 was a weird choice considering the item is something like a windy ice grenade. Is it possible that the name was made to make it seem like a non-dangerous item for common use, like an air conditioner? Antipolar Wind might sound better. It gets rid of the "southern" meaning, but retains the meaning that it's a direct opposite of a pole and possibly conveys a utility feel to it.
The Chocobo Food names are fine. I have the feeling that some of the names might be combinations of popular dishes/vegetable names or taken out of a home remedy book. I would get partial matches to curry, soups, and salads when looking up the katakana/anglicized version on the Japanese version of Google or sketchy medical sites,
. I just posted what came close, .
Sorry about the wall of text, :-X.
Here's my reasoning for the origin of Knowlespole:
ノールズ is definitely Knolls, there's a Knolls Hotel transliterated into katakana like that. Pole also has an elongated o, ポール, whereas Pol is shortened to ポル, since pol directly means either magnetic pole, electrical pole, or geography related (possibly landmark, or known location). The letters "or" are almost always converted as an elongated o sound. Porch, north, forth, horn, fork, etc. ズ is usually used for a S sound at the end of a word like Coors, doors, etc.
The direct word, as it is written in katakana, would definitely be Knolspol, but it doesn't make much sense since knol means turnip or bulge or workhorse, only in Dutch. I'm sure the original creator took "knowles", a common Celtic name, and dropped the elongated o sound to differentiate it from north when combining it with pol, a common Celtic word, to make Knowlespol. Knowlespol translates as something like "homeland of/at the knoll", lit. dwelling at a geographic knoll.
There's an even stronger link that it's Celtic since "Cetra" is based on a Celtic word, and their beliefs are based entirely on Celtic reconstructionist teachings. Being that some members of the Final Fantasy team were fans of Irish/Celtic words/songs, I'm pretty confident it's related.
Antarctic Wind:
Yeah, 風 was a weird choice considering the item is something like a windy ice grenade. Is it possible that the name was made to make it seem like a non-dangerous item for common use, like an air conditioner? Antipolar Wind might sound better. It gets rid of the "southern" meaning, but retains the meaning that it's a direct opposite of a pole and possibly conveys a utility feel to it.
The Chocobo Food names are fine. I have the feeling that some of the names might be combinations of popular dishes/vegetable names or taken out of a home remedy book. I would get partial matches to curry, soups, and salads when looking up the katakana/anglicized version on the Japanese version of Google or sketchy medical sites,
. I just posted what came close, .Sorry about the wall of text, :-X.
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Had they wanted pole, I am sure they would have just kept the correct kana (as it is from North Pole). Pol seems to be what they were getting at. I would have thought like luksy that it is just a rearrangement of the English North Pole, but perhaps Knoll's was intended?
Knowles also seems to be a stretch with the kana as it is... ノルズ
Knoll's / Knolls Pol matches though?
http://www.agoda.jp/north_america/u...tractions/hotels_near_knolls_golf_course.html Like that golf club.
or ノルズ原子力研究所 Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory
Knowle is a modern adaption of old English Knoll (little hill), and since the kana uses what looks like Knoll, I'd be inclined to believe they meant Knoll. It isn't far off though!
ノールズ is knowles...
To me Knoll's Pol (pole at the little hill) seems much more likely...
Knowles also seems to be a stretch with the kana as it is... ノルズ
Knoll's / Knolls Pol matches though?
http://www.agoda.jp/north_america/u...tractions/hotels_near_knolls_golf_course.html Like that golf club.
or ノルズ原子力研究所 Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory
Knowle is a modern adaption of old English Knoll (little hill), and since the kana uses what looks like Knoll, I'd be inclined to believe they meant Knoll. It isn't far off though!
ノールズ is knowles...
To me Knoll's Pol (pole at the little hill) seems much more likely...
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It could be knolls, but the northern continent seemed to only have one large knoll that Jenova hit. The german sites think that Knowledge was ripped in half for Knowlespole, for a place of knowledge. The Japanese sites that talk about the localized version leave it as Knowlespole or mention it's a bad katakana version of North Pole. It's a mystery wrapped in an enigma :/.
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Yeah, Knoll's Pol sounds good, too.
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Yeah, Knoll's Pol sounds good, too.
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Your idea of knoll may be spot on. Knowles COULD be what they meant but given the kana it is more unlikely. Knowles is a modern variation on knoll. Given cetra are ancient, more fitting also to use knoll.
I have been looking around and a lot of places use noruzu to mean Knolls or Knoll's. It fits and it makes sense.
I have been looking around and a lot of places use noruzu to mean Knolls or Knoll's. It fits and it makes sense.
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I did some more digging, and "poll" can also be ポル. It means hole in Irish. Knollspoll or Knoll's Poll, a hill with a hole. Maybe?
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No it is definitely pol from pole... since the game tells you they were from that area At least it makes it seem pretty clear they are from the polar region.
I will go back and examine that text.
At least it makes it seem pretty clear they are from the polar region.I will go back and examine that text.
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OK I think I have it now... http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/knoll
This seems the likely origin of Knoll's Pol
and the promised land is where the cetra was going, which is where sephiroth was at the north polar region, a land full of Mako. Where is that? It is on top of the great glacier.
This seems the likely origin of Knoll's Pol
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Yeah, it's most likely Knoll's Pol, Knolls Pol, or Knollspol. It just strikes me as weird that Honeywood would directly translate it to Knowles.
Maybe he was looking at maps of Alaska/Antarctica or got it directly from Kazushige Nojima. I found a Cape Knowles on Antarctica, named after "Knowles, Paul H.", who seems to be a well known geologist. There's also a "Knowles Head" in Alaska. The katakana conversion usually elongates the o or adds a "ウ" for the 'w' in the name, however.
http://mapcarta.com/25618102
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Knowles
http://mapcarta.com/24078762
Funnily enough, the Japanese dictionary for relating English terms to Japanese left the original katakana spelling of Knowlespole alone.
http://rain.serio.jp/FFF/FF/VII/name.htm#field
I'll just leave it there since Knoll's Pol is fine,. I don't think there's anything else that can be dug up *_*.
Maybe he was looking at maps of Alaska/Antarctica or got it directly from Kazushige Nojima. I found a Cape Knowles on Antarctica, named after "Knowles, Paul H.", who seems to be a well known geologist. There's also a "Knowles Head" in Alaska. The katakana conversion usually elongates the o or adds a "ウ" for the 'w' in the name, however.
http://mapcarta.com/25618102
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Knowles
http://mapcarta.com/24078762
Funnily enough, the Japanese dictionary for relating English terms to Japanese left the original katakana spelling of Knowlespole alone.
http://rain.serio.jp/FFF/FF/VII/name.htm#field
I'll just leave it there since Knoll's Pol is fine,
. I don't think there's anything else that can be dug up *_*.
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They don't correct mistakes at Square, they leave the mistakes in and actually make them canon because they are afraid it will rock the apple cart. As you can see they left Reno alone too... and Mideel.
Honeywood? Baskett was the translator...
Honeywood? Baskett was the translator...
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Oops, yeah, Baskett. I'd just finished reading that article at 1up, heh.
I just wish I knew what the intention behind the name was, :/. It could be a made up word that just sounds like Knoll's Pol. Something like how Aerith's name was made, so we'd get Gnolspol,.
I just wish I knew what the intention behind the name was, :/. It could be a made up word that just sounds like Knoll's Pol. Something like how Aerith's name was made, so we'd get Gnolspol,
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What about the monster names in green and pink?Any ideas?
For example Bagnadrana..
Rana is a frog species so I think that is right, but Bagnad? What combinations can we have?
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For example Bagnadrana..
Rana is a frog species so I think that is right, but Bagnad? What combinations can we have?
Have a look into it for me
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- ババヴェラウミュ baba veramu. Unlikely.
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- シェザーシザー Sciessor Scissor. Scissor is correct, the former no idea.
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- チュースタンク Chews Tank. Tank is correct of course. Enemy is sea creature. perhaps Chews is correct as in it chews you.
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- フラワープラング. Flower Prang. Flower is correct, and the latter may be prang?
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- ギロフェルゴ Guillofellgo. Guillo is correct, enemy has guillotine. Fell may refer to fact he falls off it a lot. Unknown.
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- グラシュトライク. Goulash Trike. perhaps a mistake for Crash? This kana is also Goulash, and french Gracieux. Trike is correct as it is a tricycle shaped enemy.
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Heh, the first one is a tough one.
For Bagunadorana, it's probably a shortened combined form for "Buglike Dragon".
It's stats and abilities seem to mostly match a dragon's. Determining what な, or ナ, does is difficult, since it predicates two nouns and is, itself, ambiguous. Most likely it just means "Bugish Dragon/Buglike Dragon", using ナ as word glue to change bagu into an adjectival form as well as to indicate dragon was abbreviated, even though it's used for abbreviated verbs.
It could possibly have been used to indicate several meanings as a pun, though it usually needs a verb to indicate a negative connotation. "Not a buglike dragon";"Not a bug, not a dragon";"Buglike Dragon, isn't it?"; or maybe "Buglike Dragonlike name" with ナ standing place for 名.
I have to go rake the leaves,
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Screw the leaves for a bit,.
ババヴェラウミュ is another hard one. The katakana spelling is probably based on the pronunciation. I think the second word is possibly a Latin derivation from "velum", like velame, velamur, etc., that could mean some sort of covering. Something like "Crone's Hat"/"Crone's Veil" or "Witch's Hat"/"Witch's Veil".
It could be a messed up spelling for Blemmyae. Headless creatures with their eyes/mouth in the abdomen. "Crone Blemmyae"/"Witch Blemmyae". It's probably this, the myae is spelled with a Myu, and, if he didn't know the origin but knew the name, could possibly mistake the pronunciation to be Velammyae, replacing the 'b' with a 'v' sound.
For Bagunadorana, it's probably a shortened combined form for "Buglike Dragon".
It's stats and abilities seem to mostly match a dragon's. Determining what な, or ナ, does is difficult, since it predicates two nouns and is, itself, ambiguous. Most likely it just means "Bugish Dragon/Buglike Dragon", using ナ as word glue to change bagu into an adjectival form as well as to indicate dragon was abbreviated, even though it's used for abbreviated verbs.
It could possibly have been used to indicate several meanings as a pun, though it usually needs a verb to indicate a negative connotation. "Not a buglike dragon";"Not a bug, not a dragon";"Buglike Dragon, isn't it?"; or maybe "Buglike Dragonlike name" with ナ standing place for 名.
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Screw the leaves for a bit,
.ババヴェラウミュ is another hard one. The katakana spelling is probably based on the pronunciation. I think the second word is possibly a Latin derivation from "velum", like velame, velamur, etc., that could mean some sort of covering. Something like "Crone's Hat"/"Crone's Veil" or "Witch's Hat"/"Witch's Veil".
It could be a messed up spelling for Blemmyae. Headless creatures with their eyes/mouth in the abdomen. "Crone Blemmyae"/"Witch Blemmyae". It's probably this, the myae is spelled with a Myu, and, if he didn't know the origin but knew the name, could possibly mistake the pronunciation to be Velammyae, replacing the 'b' with a 'v' sound.
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