[FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods and Modding Framework-The Reunion [R06f]

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Okay, got another one. On disk two after Meteor is summoned, if you go back to Kalm and talk to the man with the dog in the northern house, he says this line:

"Shin-Ra's in uproar because of the Weapons."

It should be 'in an uproar'.
 
Both can be used, take the NIV bible for instance

Psalm 46:6
Nations are in uproar, kingdoms fall; he lifts his voice, the earth melts.
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Acts 19:29
Soon the whole city was in an uproar.
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The reason to prefer one over the other might be related to scale.
 
"Shin-Ra is" singular form in that sentence is consistent with what you used elsewhere in the game for Shin-Ra? (asking that just to be sure it's not something that slipped through, here)

Something I wanted to point out: In japanese, does the game say that the n°1 tattoo is on Sephiroth's arm? If true, then how could NPCs report a black-coated man with a n°1 tattoo on the arm... he's wearing a coat, his arm is covered. That makes no sense, is there nothing that can be done about it ?
 
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It's on his hand.

Shin-Ra is a company and so can be both singular (meaning the company) or plural (meaning the members of the company).  It depends on context and sentence.  If you select American, this was sometimes corrected to be singular.  But that still depends.
 
Thanks for those clarifications.

I still wonder how people can see the tattoo with his glove covering it though..
 
I guess so ^_^
It's well known that Sephy has tricky gloves
 
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Anyway, a bigger problem would be that Jenova is like The Thing.  It/She does not have the ability to shape shift into non cellular material.  I guess they can get away with it in FF7 more because they can say it's magic - but I say bull.  In fact, shape shifting is something that a lot of sci fis also deploy and it's pretty much scientifically impossible for it to work like that.  But, FF7 does get some leeway being a fantasy ;)
 
Obviously, his clothes is just cellular material that LOOKS like fabrics and armor, etc.
 
Obviously, his clothes is just cellular material that LOOKS like fabrics and armor, etc.
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I ain't buying that either.  His sword was sure real and metal :P
 
I ain't buying that either.  His sword was sure real and metal :P
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While I struggle to believe that the sword was actually a part of Jenova, I feel like it's the only explanation that makes sense, and here's why:

When Sephiroth is initially thrown into the lifestream, he is still holding the masamune. It is described at least once in the game as a sword that ONLY Sephiroth could wield. Later, when Jenova breaks out of Shinra, the masamune makes its appearance being impaled in President Shinra. Note that at this point, Jenova has left the building. The odds of this being the same masamune that Sephy had when thrown are not good. The original is most likely still in the Northern Crater at this point.

Now why would anyone make a second masamune, if the only man who could wield it, already had one? It's possible that Shinra had a second one lying around, but highly unlikely.

Now my memory is fuzzy as I haven't played through in a while, but I know that the masamune makes another appearance during the unfortunate events at the Forgotten Capital. Seeing as the first sword was in the crater, and the second left at shinra, I think it's safe to say that this is a separate instance of the masamune.

Now you're probably thinking "Oh this guy forgot about the Gold Saucer, they just hand them out willy nilly there." I'll grant you that it is POSSIBLE. I won't deny that. But I think it's far more logical to assume that this theme park of sorts is not handing out deadly weapons, but rather cheap replicas (I'd be surprised if it'd be real metal). Sure, if you have Seph in your party, you can equip it, but that was never supposed to be possible, so why would Square bother making a second item when they could just reuse one they already have.

In conclusion, while I don't think the idea that the swords he's using are indeed metal can be completely discounted, I find it highly unlikely that he is just finding perfect copies of the masamune along the way. Certainly not to the extent that he can just leave one behind purely for the nuts of it. Therefore I think it most likely that the swords are indeed a part of Jenova itself. This is but one man's humble opinion.

Edit: After posting this, I remembered that the line I was thinking of about Sephiroth being the only one who could wield the masamune was from the original translation, and that perhaps the more faithful translation you've completed may make the meaning of the line different. I haven't gotten that far, but if this is the case, then I will concede that multiple legitimate copies of the masamune could exist, depending on how the translation worked out.
 
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Now you're probably thinking "Oh this guy forgot about the Gold Saucer, they just hand them out willy nilly there."
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I'm not, does anyone believe the GS Masamune Blades were meant to be anything other than toys?

I think you're putting too much thought into this, Chekhov's Gun the Masamune is used in all of those scenes simply because it's part of Sep's character design, much like Cloud's impossibly spiky hair. If you overanalyze every single detail you're bound to find plot holes at some point, you can try to plug them if you want to ("clearly Cloud is a master hairdresser") but I'm not convinced the writers were overly concerned about the implications of when and where the Masamune was shown.
 
Exactly - it's a game and a deliberate plot hole. Like all shape shifting abilities, everyone knows it is unrealistic but it can't really be explained adequately. A fiction will always have elements that don't work or make sense, the trick is to make sure those elements are easily ignored and that you can suspend disbelief to them.

The writers are human and they made mistakes and / or did not really care about certain parts not being believable.  Jenova shape shifting into a clothed Sephiroth with a sword simply doesn't work on any level, but it has to be allowed or we'd just get naked Sephiroth or not see him wandering around at all (He leaves his sword behind that is supposed to be one of a kind that only he can wield, and then he has a new one straight after, too).  And, as I said, shape shifting doesn't really work anyway.  It is more palatable in FF7 because it is a fantasy that has magic.  It's a total no no in sci fi unless handled properly (The Thing did a pretty good job and even showed that clothes are being shredded and replaced manually.  Star Trek Deep Space Nine broke more than one fundamental law of physics).

It's possible to explain away every plot hole and nonsensical plot device with a fantastic excuse, but the end result is the same: it's a fantastic excuse.
 
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Pfft, it's been a thing for ages that Sephiroth keeps spawning his blade out of thin air. I mean, he did that (animatedly, mind you) immediately upon entrance in Advent Children, and again in Crisis Core his sword just appeared in his hand after he ripped the Jenova "statue" apart. :P
 
As much as I like to fill plot holes myself (yeah..) and try to rationalize things, I agree with luksy and DLPB. I have fun with more in-depth analyzing -for me it's part of loving a story, you think deeper about it, you put pieces together, and it stimulates your imagination- but in the real world there are just oversights from the writers.

But I like your post Dubular, I was about to try something like that, but you did very well.
But if the swords were actually parts of Jenova, that would complicate the Reunion x) I'm fine with the Masamune (as a sword) popping out like in AC, as I consider each appearance of it as an instance of THE Masamune (like THE "concept" of Masamune, the source... in a platonian way).

About the shape-shifting, I will just add that it is hinted that Jenova did the same when she arrived on Earth already, tricking the Cetra into believing that she was one of them, in order to infect them.
 
Regarding Jenova, I never understood why is she inside a winged virgin Mary:

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But that is just the protecting cover, in reality Jenova is inside a cryogenic machine, and here in fact looks like a young mutant girl:

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During the game they say that it was some kind of alien organism that came by accident in a meteor.

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During the game they say that it was some kind of alien organism that came by accident in a meteor.
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Am I the only one who think that that meteor used to be a planet infected by Jenova? I'm pretty sure it is strongly implied. That's what Jenova is trying to do with the Earth: infect it from its root. That makes sense for a virus of that kind to try to spread not only throughout a planet, but also throughout the galaxy. And then it would be the Earth which would serve as a vessel and would crash as a meteor onto another planet, hurt it, and propagate Jenova, and use it, and so on and on. Jenova is a cosmic virus.
That's always what I thought, and then I was happy when in AC I heard Sephiroth talking about the Earth as a future vessel for Jenova.. that kinda confirmed what I was thinking all that time.

I hope I'm not the only one x)
 
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