[FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v2.0.999992)

[biggs223]

Hello, so i began to play the mod and everything is fine but for some reason the save point between the train station and the sector 7 of the slum (the one right near the pillar) teleport me to the end of the game where i am asked to create a ng+ save. Hope i was clear enough, english isn't my primary language.

 

[Sega Chief]

Hello, so i began to play the mod and everything is fine but for some reason the save point between the train station and the sector 7 of the slum (the one right near the pillar) teleport me to the end of the game where i am asked to create a ng+ save. Hope i was clear enough, english isn't my primary language.

That's a debug routine that's snuck its way in. I'll remove it immediately.

Also there is a problem reported a while back that is not fixed. There is an extended menu part that shows when cloud climbs the latter at the second reactor after the save point near where jessie explains the card problem.

I've had a look at it but I'm not sure what's causing it. I'll have a shot at it later.

Right now the only thing stopping me from picking this up is the lack of compatibility with the Reunion (mostly the Beacause translation) and the whole "Aerith lives" business which I'm not a big fan of. I believe you said you weren't planning on making the former happen until NT reaches its final version, but as for the latter, is there any possibility of making a version where that specific plot point is kept intact? If so, can we expect it anytime soon?
And just as a suggestion, if it isn't too much trouble (it probably is, so feel free to just ignore this lol), maybe you could release the next revision (or another future one that you're relatively happy with) to be compatible with the ReunionR04C and keep that as an alternative for people that want to experience both NT and Reunion together until you release the final version of your own mod. That way you could keep updating it as you are now while still offering a compromised alternative for folks like me

The plan is to make it so that it uses flags that were originally reserved for Yuffie and Vincent being optional characters, that way there doesn't need to be an alternate version; it can handle both. That's coming in after I've finished this sidequest + Arrange Mode.

As for Reunion, I can't just make NT work with it; I need to sink in a lot of time to make all the changes manually.

Got past the fight and now making my way through the Northern Cave. As for feedback regarding Hojo:

First Form:

- Why does Poodler Prime take Poison damage where Bad Rap Prime Absorbs it? Seems to be none of them should be vulnerable to Poison.
- When either Bad Rap or Poodler is out of the way, Hojo exclusively uses ?? ?? Vial which is Hidden Elemental. As such he can be rendered harmless until the next phase with Escort Guard or Materia=Elemental Combinations in armour.

Second Form:

- Prophetic Hojo exclusively uses Mako Spit once Right Arm is dead. This means with Poison protection on all your characters you have another harmless phase while you chop down his Left Arm or main body. The loss of Right Arm removes 75% of his moveset (He no longer uses his Physical attack as expected but he also stops using Transmute Gas and Rabid Gale).
- Physical attacks from Right Arm seem to fluctuate alot regarding Critical Hits.

Final Form:

- Physical attacks such as Combo and his unnamed Life Steal attack seem to have abnormally high crit rates.
- Cellular Guard and Cellular MGuard seem a bit funny about how they work, is it number of hits or damage dealt that makes Hojo decide which one to switch to? Do Limit Breaks also affect it? He seems to be biased towards Cellular Guard over Cellular MGuard, despite damage or number of hits.
- Phantasm is a hard hitting Hidden Elemental attack which if you're protecting from it like with ?? ?? vial poses little threat, however he has enough other attacks that can pose a threat that this isn't an issue. It's still heavily punishing for anyone not protecting from Hidden.


Summary:

The first two forms are a drawn out prelude to the final form which poses the only real threat. Periods of harmlessness from bosses coupled with high HP pools result in a rather mind-numbing chop down of the first two forms. Once you reach the final form you have the fustration of the inconsistencies of Cellular Guard and Cellular MGuard. The attacks themselves in the final form are fine except for the feeling of RNG screwing you over regarding the Critical Hit chance of his Physical attacks.

Recommendations:

- Give first form Hojo something other than ?? ?? Vial to deal damage to the party. Perhaps a couple different elemental and status vials to keep us on our toes. First Form Hojo and his pets HP Pools are fine as they are as L5 Suicide can efficiently deal with them.
- When Right Arm dies, keep it's ability to use Transmute Gas and Rabid Gale. You'd obviously expect his Physical attack to be disabled but with only Mako Spit to attack us once that arm dies, a party of Poison protected characters render this form harmless. Consider reducing the HP pool to counterbalance the ability to maintain himself as a threat throughout the form.
- During the Final Form, make the use of Cellular Guard and MGuard a bit more consistent about when they are used. It should hopefully make the fight less fustrating, if Cellular Guard and MGuard were based on how much damage of a certain type taken then it could potentially work as a means of determining the Boss HP without Sense.

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Off Topic: Noticed this in the Extra Battle: Gold Match but it appears that even if your Level is a multiple of 5, L5 Death doesn't seem to work at all. I also think you can still access matches which are not unlocked.

The 2nd form's AI is a pain; I might try and rewrite it. I'll re-do all three fights actually.

So, I'm farming in crater to craft the ultimate weapons. I must say it's not fun at all. The fights are fine, AI is fine, stats are fine; but having to morph enemies between 103k and 150k HP which cannot be sensed when your higher STR char will do 100 damage when using morph + elemental weakness (it also means you can't use counter attack materias, else you might kill it before morphing) is a real pain. Even more when you have to count any single damage done to not overkill :\. Going with Yuffie's conformer would ease these fights, but you also have to morph an enemy to get her weapons :\

Adding the morph item as a drop would be a fine soluton, or maybe swap a steal item with a morph item (preferably accessory/armor such poison ring & dragon armlet since these are the rare steals of crater). Saying that reminds me due to the "new" steal formula based on the level and crater mobs being 90+, it's really hard to steal. Haven't tried with the glove yet tho

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     LVdifference = 40 + User's LV - Target's LV     LV Factor = 512 x LV Difference          -------------------          100     Chance = Itemchance x LV Factor       ----------------------          256

Is this formula still correct ? After calculating, my team being ~85 and Crater Dragon being 93, I should have 20.48% chance to steal a common item (10.24 for the rare, 5.12 very rare). Cid used at least 20 mugs (maybe 22, I'm pretty sure since I counted the damage) and stole nothing.

It is still correct, but what I've not considered is the level synch vs. the enemy level; so it's actually Lv.44 you're trying to steal with vs. their Lv.90+. I'll need to reconsider the drop rates. As for Morphing, the Ancient weapons (Nail Bat etc.) are supposed to ignore the damage penalty from Morph. I'll try to get some kind of system together where the enemy will respond to the Morph command and help ease the process a bit.

 

[aquecoucou]

It is still correct, but what I've not considered is the level synch vs. the enemy level; so it's actually Lv.44 you're trying to steal with vs. their Lv.90+. I'll need to reconsider the drop rates. As for Morphing, the Ancient weapons (Nail Bat etc.) are supposed to ignore the damage penalty from Morph. I'll try to get some kind of system together where the enemy will respond to the Morph command and help ease the process a bit.

Ah yeah, forgot the level synch thing. I didn't know Ancient weapon could bypass the morph modifier, well I guess it's fine then. Thanks

 

[Sega Chief]

I updated the patches + Main again; I try to avoid making updates so close together, but the two issues were quite serious.

 

[Zara9]

hey sega chief

how many more days until the dark cave side quest is back on your mod

 

[Sega Chief]

I dunno, still working on it.

 

[Skirmish]

Just reached the bottom of the Northern Crater, here's what I got regarding items from other party members, Cloud went Left/Down to begin:

Tifa - Gigas Armlet - Right
Cid - Elixir x5 - Left/Up
Barret - Protect Ring - Left/Up
Red XIII - MP Plus - Left/Up
Yuffie - MP Plus - Left/Up
Cait Sith - Unknown - Left/Down
Vincent - Unknown - Left/Down
Aeris - Unknown - Right

Can anyone fill in the blanks? I'm curious as to what some of the other items are.

 

[iDerek759]

I updated the patches + Main again; I try to avoid making updates so close together, but the two issues were quite serious.

Just curious Sega Chief, these patches/hotfixes that get rolled out, I'm assuming these are also being applied to the IRO version inside the main installer also correct?

 

[Kilen]

Just curious Sega Chief, these patches/hotfixes that get rolled out, I'm assuming these are also being applied to the IRO version inside the main installer also correct?

Looking at the timestamps on the files, it looks like he's updating the IRO files before the standalone patch.

 

[Bowser9]

Fort Condor runner seems to not work at Cid's house.

EDIT: Appears to affect the runner for every town but Junon. He says you need 4000 gil to hire troops and then nothing happens. This is after using the latest installer.
Also, it seems Cid needs a disproportionately large amount of exp compared to everyone else in order to gain levels.

 

[iDerek759]

Looking at the timestamps on the files, it looks like he's updating the IRO files before the standalone patch.

Oh nice, alright cool. I wasn't sure since I strictly use the IRO version to test with graphical mods inside 7th Heaven.

 

[magictrufflez]

SC---I just finished Rocket Town (seriously, I cannot thank you enough for the ability to turn off random battles).

I believe someone mentioned the scene-skip options being reversed in functionality already, but did anyone mention Cid's janky dialogue after you finish up and get the Tiny Bronco?  There are a lot of blank text boxes as well as some not-so-good-looking text editing (the last letter of a line being bumped to the next line).

For the record, I do not have the latest flevel hotfix added (this was the April 3rd one), but everything else should be up to date.

 

[Sega Chief]

Just reached the bottom of the Northern Crater, here's what I got regarding items from other party members, Cloud went Left/Down to begin:

Tifa - Gigas Armlet - Right
Cid - Elixir x5 - Left/Up
Barret - Protect Ring - Left/Up
Red XIII - MP Plus - Left/Up
Yuffie - MP Plus - Left/Up
Cait Sith - Unknown - Left/Down
Vincent - Unknown - Left/Down
Aeris - Unknown - Right

Can anyone fill in the blanks? I'm curious as to what some of the other items are.

I set it so that the items they find are always the same regardless of the path they took:
Cait Sith: Lucky Pill (gives one character 'Lucky Girl' status AKA auto-crits)
Vincent: Curse Ring
Aeris: Circlet

Just curious Sega Chief, these patches/hotfixes that get rolled out, I'm assuming these are also being applied to the IRO version inside the main installer also correct?

Yeah, I updated the IRO with this latest main installer. Some of the older ones didn't have an updated IRO but I'm making sure to do it from now on.

Fort Condor runner seems to not work at Cid's house.

EDIT: Appears to affect the runner for every town but Junon. He says you need 4000 gil to hire troops and then nothing happens. This is after using the latest installer.
Also, it seems Cid needs a disproportionately large amount of exp compared to everyone else in order to gain levels.

I'd better get to the bottom of this. It was working during the test run but I must have overlooked something that's causing this to happen.

SC---I just finished Rocket Town (seriously, I cannot thank you enough for the ability to turn off random battles).

I believe someone mentioned the scene-skip options being reversed in functionality already, but did anyone mention Cid's janky dialogue after you finish up and get the Tiny Bronco?  There are a lot of blank text boxes as well as some not-so-good-looking text editing (the last letter of a line being bumped to the next line).

For the record, I do not have the latest flevel hotfix added (this was the April 3rd one), but everything else should be up to date.

I keep forgetting to finish that text; I think I was going to change Cid's innate at the time so I left off the text but never got around to it.

 

[iDerek759]

So with this new IRO that's being included in the main installer, should I report any bugs/glitches I find in it?

 

[GrieverVIII]

The 8 Eyes in the Temple of the Ancients. Oh my god how do you kill them. I'm assuming they must be bugged because the blue light move deal 50% MAX HP, whereas videos I've seen on youtube (of previous versions) have that attack only doing 50% current HP. Makes them incredibly brutal to fight especially seeing as they don't seem to die instantly to Poison as they allegedly do in the base game (according to the wiki).

Edit: Naturally as soon as I post this I figure out how to do it: Demi 2 twice followed by a Laser, spamming Cure 2/All every turn to make sure everyone lives.

 

[Sega Chief]

So with this new IRO that's being included in the main installer, should I report any bugs/glitches I find in it?

Yep; just keep in mind any other mods you have enabled with it though and mention them.

 

[GeoFlare]

I still haven't been able to encounter Sigfried (I think that was his name, the one that replaces the yuffie fight in forests). I remember someone mentioning the encounter rate is higher the later you get into the game but I am at the midgar raid and still haven't been able to get him to spawn.

 

[Miacis]

Unless the GS Date/pre-date was altered in this latest patch, these should still apply:
Choosing Cid in the menu: an unfinished textbox
Tifa date: two textboxes appearing at the same time.
And the Barret date ends with a softlock after the mandatory look-out scene on the ferris wheel. They just stay there doing nothing while colored lights flash.

Is Alpha Zolom designed to be beaten around the obtention of the Tiny Bronco? I'm not sure if I should feel omnipotent or merely adequate with my fancy holy-elemental spell. Or maybe overleveled.

 

[selius]

he boots you out of the fight if you're not a high enough level.

if you can actually fight him, you are good

 

[Miksu]

I found a bug at Gongaga Reactor, if you do not fight the optional boss (Lich GT) there while the first visit and then come back while you are controlling Tifa (After obtaining The Highwind). When you go there Tifa just says "Ruined reactor?" and camera goes slightly up and then back to Tifa and then it soft locks itself.

Might be because I'm not controlling Cloud and events do not trigger right or something like that.

Edit: Also happens with Cid. I tried without and with my mods, no difference. (7H)