[FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v2.0.999992)

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Is this mod compatible with The Reunion or at least the Beacause translation patch, or is that likely to break things?  I'd like to take advantage of a translation that clears up those classic 'This guy are sick' problems, but the difficulty tweaks this mod offers look really interesting
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I don't think they are compatible, but I cleaned up the majority of the game's text if that helps. Just be careful about using custom names that are quite long as there are still some text-boxes that need to be re-sized to account for max-length names.
 
Alright.  I'll have to see how your text compares with that one, but at least I know stuff's been re-translated/cleaned up to some degree.  I really like the idea of giving characters more distinct roles
 
Is the timer SUPPOSED to start before you even start fighting the scorpion?  He's a relatively long fight even with what seems to be a fairly optimal strategy.  I keep exploding.
 
Just wanted to drop that out there, but good job on the Quality of Life modifications. When making hacks, most people don't realize how important they are, but once you give it to them, they're like "WHOA! I can't believe no one thought of that before and I don't understand why it wasn't that way in the original game!"

I made a lot of hacks for FFT, and those are easily my most popular hacks. I mean, there's no reason to not want them.

  • Cross Skip: hold cross and it flies through dialogue (I think your option to skip several portions of the story worked just fine)
  • Smart Encounters: only get random battles when you want them
  • 2nd squad is not mandatory
  • Default option is "Continue" and not "New Game" (no memory card detection, but better than nothing)

Sure, I made really impressive stuff like a Synthesis Shop (link for those who care, v2 is way better but still being testing), but since it's a lot of trouble to think about all the items to synthesize, only 1-2 modders actually use it... (1 released and another mod still in development)

As someone who herself made a bunch of Quality of Life hacks, I really appreciate seeing someone else make efforts to do the same for their mod.
Even a tiny thing such as starting the game with an Enemy Away makes a world of difference for a lot of people, including me.
The Fort Condor teleport was brillant, though I was not impressed by all those consumable rewards. :p

Unfortunately, too many modders either just use the tools provided to make the game harder, or hackers have trouble thinking outside the box. It took years before someone else tried to create a QoL hack after I first did.
 
I'm getting slaughtered by Thousand Gunner, Heli-Gunner and Thunder-Gunner...
I'm looking at videos of people playing 1.4, and for some reason, these bosses deal way more damage and take way less.

Here's an example. In Sega Chief's 1.4 Thousand Gunner video on Youtube, the whole party is in the back with Barrier on, and Crown Artillery deals about 40 damage to the party. In my game, I'm taking 100 damage.

As for damage, my Barret deals about 45 damage with a regular attack from the back row, and the one in Sega Chief's video deals 85.

Also, Red XIII can't use Sled Fang in my game, because I'm out of range, whereas people use it for over 300 damage in those videos...

And I remember clearly, Cloud was hitting like a total wimp too, like 30 damage.

Is this normal? I tried playing around with materias and give my magic casters all the +Magic I could find, and my fighters all the +Str materia, but it seems to have very little impact, and I take so much damage from both Heli Gunners that I barely have any time to ever attack, and even if I try constantly healing, they deal more than I can manage  :-o
 
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Is the timer SUPPOSED to start before you even start fighting the scorpion?  He's a relatively long fight even with what seems to be a fairly optimal strategy.  I keep exploding.
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I'm getting slaughtered by Thousand Gunner, Heli-Gunner and Thunder-Gunner...
I'm looking at videos of people playing 1.4, and for some reason, these bosses deal way less damage and take way more than what I'm able to do to them.

Here's an example. In Sega Chief's 1.4 Thousand Gunner video on Youtube, the whole party is in the back with Barrier on, and Crown Artillery deals about 40 damage to the party. In my game, I'm taking 100 damage.

As for damage, my Barret deals about 45 damage with a regular attack from the back row, and the one in Sega Chief's video deals 85.

Also, Red XIII can't use Sled Fang in my game, because I'm out of range, whereas people use it for over 300 damage in those videos...

And I remember clearly, Cloud was hitting like a total wimp too, like 30 damage.

Is this normal? I tried playing around with materias and give my magic casters all the +Magic I could find, and my fighters all the +Str materia, but it seems to have very little impact, and I take so much damage from both Heli Gunners that I barely have any time to ever attack, and even if I try constantly healing, they deal more than I can manage  :-o
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Have you got other mods/7H? For the Gunners, it sounds like they have long-range attacks active which is being done through the .EXE; NT dropped its .exe changes a long time ago, but it seems to be popping up in the catalog IRO version for some reason when other mods are active. The biggest give away is Sled Fang being short-range.

@Rascal: This EXE issue might be related to the scorpion fight as well if incoming damage from Rifle is too high and outgoing Limit Break damage is too low. The .exe changes aren't intended to be part of NT.

Just wanted to drop that out there, but good job on the Quality of Life modifications. When making hacks, most people don't realize how important they are, but once you give it to them, they're like "WHOA! I can't believe no one thought of that before and I don't understand why it wasn't that way in the original game!"

I made a lot of hacks for FFT, and those are easily my most popular hacks. I mean, there's no reason to not want them.

  • Cross Skip: hold cross and it flies through dialogue (I think your option to skip several portions of the story worked just fine)
  • Smart Encounters: only get random battles when you want them
  • 2nd squad is not mandatory
  • Default option is "Continue" and not "New Game" (no memory card detection, but better than nothing)

Sure, I made really impressive stuff like a Synthesis Shop (link for those who care, v2 is way better but still being testing), but since it's a lot of trouble to think about all the items to synthesize, only 1-2 modders actually use it... (1 released and another mod still in development)

As someone who herself made a bunch of Quality of Life hacks, I really appreciate seeing someone else make efforts to do the same for their mod.
Even a tiny thing such as starting the game with an Enemy Away makes a world of difference for a lot of people, including me.
The Fort Condor teleport was brillant, though I was not impressed by all those consumable rewards. :p

Unfortunately, too many modders either just use the tools provided to make the game harder, or hackers have trouble thinking outside the box. It took years before someone else tried to create a QoL hack after I first did.
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QoLs are always handy, but sadly rare; I guess they're not as exciting :I
 
Have you got other mods/7H? For the Gunners, it sounds like they have long-range attacks active which is being done through the .EXE; NT dropped its .exe changes a long time ago, but it seems to be popping up in the catalog IRO version for some reason when other mods are active. The biggest give away is Sled Fang being short-range.
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If Menu Overhaul is being used, it could be from the ff7_mo.exe that's currently in the Catalog. I have removed all that and switched completely to hext edits in the next update, so I really hope that resolves these random clashes in compatibility we've seen reported. I can never test these things through a full playthrough due to time, so it's up to the public to catch them and report it.

Just waiting for NT 1.5 and Reunion R06 to push out the next Catalog update :)
 
If Menu Overhaul is being used, it could be from the ff7_mo.exe that's currently in the Catalog. I have removed all that and switched completely to hext edits in the next update, so I really hope that resolves these random clashes in compatibility we've seen reported. I can never test these things through a full playthrough due to time, so it's up to the public to catch them and report it.

Just waiting for NT 1.5 and Reunion R06 to push out the next Catalog update :)
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That was exactly it! I turned off Menu Overhaul in 7H - "The Reunion - Beacause and Menu Overhaul" and set the .exe to the original "ff7.exe", and now my Sled Fang works and I take WAY less damage from the back row!

I was essentially dealing 1/2 damage from back row, and still taking full damage.. No wonder it was so hard. Thanks so much for being so quick again, guys!

The funny thing is the game still felt fair up to this point, these guys are the first where it becomes almost impossible to keep up with the damage. I ran from 3-4 encounters, but I was doing alright. xD

However, now my battle menu is just completely black, with only the text visible. I don't really mind, I'll just wait for the new versions to rollout, and re-activate Menu Overhaul then: it's not exactly a problem :) ... Unless you guys know how to fix that too?

Here's what it looks like.
http://imgur.com/a/GknJ0
 
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Sure enough, I was using Menu Overhaul as well.  Although part of my problem was that the default 7H upscaling options are a bit intense for my rig - 4k internal resolution is kinda overkill, y'know?  At least, when I'm also streaming.  I was losing frames but that wasn't slowing the timer down.  Good to know this issue exists.

FWIW, I would definitely advise checking out the Beacause script.  It's a really solid translation (although it has a few cases of awkward English in it, imo) and seeing it or something like it integrated into the New Threat script would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT:  So, when I turn off MO, I run into a different problem - all of a sudden, the materia edits New Threat is supposed to make disappear?  Sense goes back to only being +2 Dex, for example, instead of +10 Dex, -10 Luck.  Obviously that throws the intended balance out of whack as well.
 
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However, now my battle menu is just completely black, with only the text visible. I don't really mind, I'll just wait for the new versions to rollout, and re-activate Menu Overhaul then: it's not exactly a problem :) ... Unless you guys know how to fix that too?

Here's what it looks like.
http://imgur.com/a/GknJ0
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EDIT:  So, when I turn off MO, I run into a different problem - all of a sudden, the materia edits New Threat is supposed to make disappear?  Sense goes back to only being +2 Dex, for example, instead of +10 Dex, -10 Luck.  Obviously that throws the intended balance out of whack as well.
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If I were to upload a new MO IRO for testing only, would you check these issues for me? It will be with the new hext edits, so just enable them in the Configure and set your Workshop -> Settings -> FF7 EXE to use the ff7.exe installed from the 7H Game Converter.
 
Sure thing, just tell me what/when to install and I'll give it a whirl.  ;D
 
Likewise.  I'd love to have the Menu Overhaul and also the intended gameplay of New Threat

EDIT:  Okay, did some restructuring and the new version of MO seems to be working.  The Materia changes are gone, but my understanding is that that's SUPPOSED to be the case unless you're playing on Arrange?  Also, is Arrange supposed to be missing in 1.4?  It's mentioned in the readme, but the starting screen only lets me pick Normal.
 
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Likewise.  I'd love to have the Menu Overhaul and also the intended gameplay of New Threat

EDIT:  Okay, did some restructuring and the new version of MO seems to be working.  The Materia changes are gone, but my understanding is that that's SUPPOSED to be the case unless you're playing on Arrange?  Also, is Arrange supposed to be missing in 1.4?  It's mentioned in the readme, but the starting screen only lets me pick Normal.
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Arrange was deactivated so it could be balanced properly. The .exe changes weren't specifically for either mode, but were originally planned to be for Arrange only.
 
I see.  I actually really liked the more drastic materia edits, it added a fun extra layer of specialization to each character and a chance to 'break the mold' somewhat by giving a character materia that shored up weaker parts of their build.  Plus it meant that sometimes equipping a given materia was risky - I developed an early game strategy where All stayed attached to attack magic in battles, but would be quick-swapped onto my healer in menus so that they could cure-all the party for 10mp.  But I can understand wanting to refine Arrange.  Anyways, with the new Hext-format MO, things appear to be restored to normal in terms of Limit damage and the like.

EDIT: Also, Fort Condor warp guy is my hero.

EDIT 2:  The new MO test builds seems to be causing more frequent crashes.  Wouldn't call this fixed just yet.  Seems to be tied to certain attack names displaying.  Something to do with MO's text windows?  Might just live without MO for now.
 
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Hello! im really enjoying the mod so far, using the stand alone version.

maybe im just dumb, but is there anyway to know when an update is out? i use the first page of this thread (obviously) to download the game, and its hot fixes, but i hear talk of more hotfixing in the recent replies to the thread. are there anymore updates actually out or am i just being paranoid of you and everyone elses hot topic on hotfixing?

on a side note, again, im really really happy you made this mod. the first time i was introduced to it was through a streamer and a youtuber called death_unites_us (4-8 productions on youtube.) after seeing him play through only a little bit of the mod, i had to try it my self.

you did a great job.
 
I see.  I actually really liked the more drastic materia edits, it added a fun extra layer of specialization to each character and a chance to 'break the mold' somewhat by giving a character materia that shored up weaker parts of their build.  Plus it meant that sometimes equipping a given materia was risky - I developed an early game strategy where All stayed attached to attack magic in battles, but would be quick-swapped onto my healer in menus so that they could cure-all the party for 10mp.  But I can understand wanting to refine Arrange.  Anyways, with the new Hext-format MO, things appear to be restored to normal in terms of Limit damage and the like.

EDIT: Also, Fort Condor warp guy is my hero.

EDIT 2:  The new MO test builds seems to be causing more frequent crashes.  Wouldn't call this fixed just yet.  Seems to be tied to certain attack names displaying.  Something to do with MO's text windows?  Might just live without MO for now.
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I think MO is DLPB's creation, but as far as I know he dropped support for it.

Hello! im really enjoying the mod so far, using the stand alone version.

maybe im just dumb, but is there anyway to know when an update is out? i use the first page of this thread (obviously) to download the game, and its hot fixes, but i hear talk of more hotfixing in the recent replies to the thread. are there anymore updates actually out or am i just being paranoid of you and everyone elses hot topic on hotfixing?

on a side note, again, im really really happy you made this mod. the first time i was introduced to it was through a streamer and a youtuber called death_unites_us (4-8 productions on youtube.) after seeing him play through only a little bit of the mod, i had to try it my self.

you did a great job.
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The only way is to check in with the front page of this thread and check the hotfix dates against when you downloaded the mod. There was an flevel hotfix recently to repair some issues in Dark Cave and other places; it's not major, but could be handy.
 
Really loving the idea on this mod, and some of the fixes it makes to the game.  Once I can get Final Heaven to work, I am gonna really love playing with this mod.
 
Probably a weird request, but I'd love, like, an Arrange-Lite difficulty mode that was mostly Standard but with some of Arrange's features like the more complex materia stat effects.

Or, honestly, for the materia stuff to just be rolled into Standard, maybe at a lower intensity?  Cut the effects by half, but still have the 'every materia is a double edged sword' factor to contend with, even on 'Normal'
 
Probably a weird request, but I'd love, like, an Arrange-Lite difficulty mode that was mostly Standard but with some of Arrange's features like the more complex materia stat effects.

Or, honestly, for the materia stuff to just be rolled into Standard, maybe at a lower intensity?  Cut the effects by half, but still have the 'every materia is a double edged sword' factor to contend with, even on 'Normal'
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That's the plan; the .exe changes will be making a return at some stage, likely through a hext kind of deal. Dan has a new installer that works a little like 7H as well that I might be using for the stand-alone as well.
 
QoLs are always handy, but sadly rare; I guess they're not as exciting :I
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They may not be the most exciting things in the world, granted, but know that at least this one person damn sure appreciates those little quality of life changes. Personally, I always thought one of the best parts of this mod was the NPC that informs you when another Fort Condor battle is available and teleports you to and from.

Such a little change in reality, but it makes a big difference.
 
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