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UpRisen
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if you are using the exe included in the NT download then sources give 5 per use. If you didnt replace your exe before using any rank up then you are 4 stats short for every source used.
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Sega Chief
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Character AI can be modified by the wall market tool, and is in the Initial Data/Character AI tabs. Not sure what you mean by a black box, it should look like this:
Item shops can be modified using White Chocobo tool, and are organised into sets that are called by the game's field script in flevel.lgp. For NT, I didn't modify much of the shops themselves just the shop inventories called by the field script.
White choco can be temperamental, especially after using it for the first time where it can crash trying to load files. There was a fix somewhere in the white choco thread, something about using a keyboard shortcut to load files instead to avoid the issue. You'll also need to install dependencies like for wall market, etc.
The IROs don't come with exe changes unfortunately (but this is going to be changed soon, I think pending an update to 7th Heaven itself). The IRO folder supplied on this thread has the .exes you need to use inside it, just drop em into your FF7 folder. If you've been playing up to now on an older version, then your rank ups will likely be correct.Already made it to underwater reactor so no way I'm starting over...Seems to be working fine though. Only thing is that it seems to have Ranked everyone's SP level up to 8. I don't want to get characters that were likely close to 8 too buffed. I see that you can skip the upgrade though. However, I noticed now that the upgrades only dish out like 1 or 2 sources of each (despite what the prompt says.
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JokerTheRoyale
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Mine looks like that on some of the options, but then others look like this:Character AI can be modified by the wall market tool, and is in the Initial Data/Character AI tabs. Not sure what you mean by a black box, it should look like this:
And I can't do anything in that grayish colored box. What other dependencies would I need?
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EmperorSteele
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So hey, I noticed something which I have to question (maybe its the game itself and not the mod, but...)
Anyway, Cloud, Barret and Tifa are all level 51, and while farming for X-Potions against Hungrys, their damage output seemed... odd. Here are the relevant stats:
Cloud: STR 133, ATK 170, EQUIP Organics. Damage: 732-770
Barret: STR 95, ATK 131, EQUIP Chainsaw. Damage 480-516
Tifa: STR 122, ATK 172, EQUIP Work Glove. Damage 514-535
Tifa's STR is 11 less than Cloud, her ATK is 2 MORE, and yet her damage output is barely any higher than Barret, who's attack stats are pretty lousy. Why/how is Cloud doing more than 200 damage than the other two?
Anyway, Cloud, Barret and Tifa are all level 51, and while farming for X-Potions against Hungrys, their damage output seemed... odd. Here are the relevant stats:
Cloud: STR 133, ATK 170, EQUIP Organics. Damage: 732-770
Barret: STR 95, ATK 131, EQUIP Chainsaw. Damage 480-516
Tifa: STR 122, ATK 172, EQUIP Work Glove. Damage 514-535
Tifa's STR is 11 less than Cloud, her ATK is 2 MORE, and yet her damage output is barely any higher than Barret, who's attack stats are pretty lousy. Why/how is Cloud doing more than 200 damage than the other two?
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cjmstate
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Appreciate all the support, guys. Great mod and keep up the good work!
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fafefifofu
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Should I patch the game again or that could make things even worse?
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jugend
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It's because work glove along with all the other ancient weapons have a different damage formula and the death penalty effect, it takes something like 1k+ kills until the damage becomes comparable I think..
If I recall correctly, there are plans to change them around a bit for the next update.
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Beta
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Hi, just been playing through this mod and been wondering, does Aeris' Restore Rod actually scale off anything or is it a flat amount, I noticed it seems to heal characters approximately the same amount, but that healing value varies from character to character. So I'm just trying to figure out what dictates the amount of healing the restore rod does, thank you.
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Sega Chief
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Click on one of the AI groups that has an asterisk * next to it (Cloud's physical counter has one). That'll show some of the AI.Mine looks like that on some of the options, but then others look like this:
And I can't do anything in that grayish colored box. What other dependencies would I need?
To start writing AI in a greyed box, hit enter and it should start you off with a row of blank cells and a 73 (END) below it. Then you can start entering AI.
To get you started, here's my OpCodes List/Notes:
https://pastebin.com/iF4m5X4y
If you need a hand with anything let me know.
Work Glove is responsible, it has a unique damage formula (same with all the Ancient/Joke weapons like Nail Bat, Rocket Punch, Mop, etc.) that uses character kills to modify damage dealt rather than the standard physical formula. While this is handy for Morphing as it avoids the penalty, it isn't made clear in-game and I'm going to be changing these at some point. Sorry for the confusion.
NT's main installer is very robust so what it'll do is just overwrite all the files and fix any problems with clashing mods. If it's IRO, then you need to shuffle the mod load order to make sure nothing's getting overwritten.
Ah beat me to it.
The weapon has a magic-based formula and should be using her Magic stat to determine healing amount. However, I noticed that it uses the magic ATTACK formula rather than the restore one so it's probably coming up against the target's Spirit stat (and might be blocked by MBarrier as well).
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JokerTheRoyale
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Ok, thank you so much. Also, I know your mod has SP from enemies/bosses. Did you input those variables into the exe or did you use Makou Reactor to add them?I'm just trying to learn/figure out all the ways each tool can be used. Because I liked what you did by taking out the source farming, makes the game to easy and everytime I play it I always say Im not gonna do it and I end up doing it. Im trying to figure out a way to add an NPC to certain Fields that has the ability to give you the sources, hell, maybe even other items. Is there a var that I can set to make it maybe like, give out maybe like 5 sources for each character per NPC in each area?
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EmperorSteele
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Ah! That explains it, then. Cool, thanks!
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cjmstate
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Hi Sega - sorry to keep bothering. I put the IRO exes in the FF7 folder and 7H is pointing directly to it. Rank ups still only appear with 1 - 3 sources each. Any thoughts?
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EmperorSteele
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So, question/minor problem:
In the documentation folder, it has a list of all the available e-skills. It says that Mu use/give L5 Suicide. Except they don't seem to use it. They use something called "Quarry Fuse", which DOES end up in the e-skill list (but isn't mentioned in the text file). But this leaves me with a problem: Chocobuckle can only be attained using L5 Suicide. This new ability doens't seem to work for that purpose, and I seem unable to Manipulate a Mu to look at its ability list.
Also, the Midgar Zolem is using Beta, not this "Alpha" ability that's listed, which I seem unable to find anywhere. Again, I cannot manipulate him to see what he's got.
Any hits on how to fill out my E-Skill materia?
And oh yeah: I've seen some mentions of an "Arrange" mode. What is that? I can't find anything about it in the documentation =/
In the documentation folder, it has a list of all the available e-skills. It says that Mu use/give L5 Suicide. Except they don't seem to use it. They use something called "Quarry Fuse", which DOES end up in the e-skill list (but isn't mentioned in the text file). But this leaves me with a problem: Chocobuckle can only be attained using L5 Suicide. This new ability doens't seem to work for that purpose, and I seem unable to Manipulate a Mu to look at its ability list.
Also, the Midgar Zolem is using Beta, not this "Alpha" ability that's listed, which I seem unable to find anywhere. Again, I cannot manipulate him to see what he's got.
Any hits on how to fill out my E-Skill materia?
And oh yeah: I've seen some mentions of an "Arrange" mode. What is that? I can't find anything about it in the documentation =/
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Sega Chief
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Try checking the .exe properties by right-clicking it and selecting properties, then unblocking it if this button appears.
As of the latest patches, Zolom was given Beta again and Chocobo AI was set up to react to quarry fuse so long as Mimett Greens were fed to them beforehand.
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cjmstate
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Exe is unlocked but still only 1-3 sources on rank up. Any other ideas?
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Sega Chief
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None, assuming the .exes are being put in the right place and are replacing the default ones you'll need to figure out what your PC is doing to prevent the new ones from being used. Reinstalling the game outside of protected system folders might help.
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dicksdequina
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I'm playing this with the latest version (v1.5) and I've noticed that Cloud's passive in the game and in the Readme (Documentation) is different. In my game it's the Limit Boost passive meanwhile the readme says it should be Second Wind. Is this normal or was there an error somewhere I don't know about? Im using 7th heaven btw.
And also, good work on this mod. I've been enjoying it tremendously.
And also, good work on this mod. I've been enjoying it tremendously.
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Sega Chief
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The innate was swapped to Cid, so what you're seeing in-game is correct. I'm just terrible for keeping documentation up to date.
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natepley
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A few questions:
1) Is New Threat compatible with menu overhaul and Beacause? I always thought they were incompatible but you include the ff7_bc.exe in the download. Does that mean that both are compatible? Or is only menu overhaul compatible? Or neither? I at least really want to not have menu boxes in battles, but the other stuff would also be pretty nice.
2) Are you still working on this? Is a 1.6 planned or is this the final version?
3) I read somewhere that you're working on an FF8 mod now. Where can I follow the progress for that? I'm excited to see what you can do with it.
1) Is New Threat compatible with menu overhaul and Beacause? I always thought they were incompatible but you include the ff7_bc.exe in the download. Does that mean that both are compatible? Or is only menu overhaul compatible? Or neither? I at least really want to not have menu boxes in battles, but the other stuff would also be pretty nice.
2) Are you still working on this? Is a 1.6 planned or is this the final version?
3) I read somewhere that you're working on an FF8 mod now. Where can I follow the progress for that? I'm excited to see what you can do with it.
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Sega Chief
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I think you can combine it with menu overhaul through 7H, people found a load order for it. Reunion (as in, the retranslation of it) would be problematic.
There will be an overhaul of the mod (2.0) at some point in the future but it'll be a bit more extensive than a version upgrade and certain features/content will be cut from the mod. For that reason, I'll be keeping 1.5 as a 'legacy' version along with the 2.0 version and supporting it with bug-fixes as needed.
2.0 won't be seen for a while because, like you say, I'm working on an FF8 mod now. I've got a small video with some progress details here:
So far, there's been assembly changes to tackle Junction behaviour, Draw amounts, Limit Break usage, and other things like damage modifiers. Work-wise, I'm just past Gerogero and trying to get a first-pass of the game's text done before I carry on with the Timber/Dollet area world map enemies (after that, what's left is Galbadia area, Tomb of the Unknown King, Iguions, and the Sewers; I've got the battles for end of Disc 1 prepped already).
I'll be releasing Disc 1 as a demo for feedback before pushing on with the rest of the game.
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