[FF7PC-98] The Reunion (OLD THREAD, SAVED FOR POSTERITY)

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That's because bro... that is not my project.  That is Team Avalanche's overhaul.
 
(epic fail) Oh ok, thanks. 'xD By the way, with your menu overhaul if I'm in a battle and I want to use a magic that is junctioned with an "all" materia I can't see the "arrow" indicating that the magic can be used on multiple enemies. Probably because on FF9 there were no arrows on the battle menu suggesting that, duh, but since this is a mod for FF7 is it possible to add on your next version? (if there's gonna be another that is)
 
I removed the arrows because they are redundant.  The big box to the right tells you that All is applied.
 
Not sure if this is the right area to post. If not, move to right area please. I have used bootleg to install mods on FFVII, I am somewhat new to modding. Very new to this game. Bootleg has been easy to use. I am having a few problems though, 1) In battle after installing menu overhaul, it is not lined up correctly, the ATB appears above names, Limit guage over name, Font too big, etc. 2) I did the english translation and it is saying that some scripts are not original.
Other than these issues, the game is running great.

These are the errors I am getting in Menu Overhaul.
Normal Mode
Error in startmap: Incorrect number of entries: 2/11
Error in blackbg2: Incorrect number of entries: 24/42
Error in blackbg3: Incorrect number of entries: 18/28
Error in blackbg4: Incorrect number of entries: 54/72
Error in blackbg7: Incorrect number of entries: 16/25
Error in blackbgi: Incorrect number of entries: 10/17
Error in blackbgk: Incorrect number of entries: 16/21

Hard Mode
Error in elminn_1: Incorrect number of entries: 16/17
Error in psdun_2: Incorrect number of entries: 9/10

This is the English Game Text errors:
Normal Mode
min51_1 patch failed, not original script
chrin_2 patch failed, not original script
ealin_2 patch failed, not original script
blin67_2 patch failed, not original script
elmin4_2 patch failed, not original script
psdun_2 patch failed, not original script
games_2 patch failed, not original script
gongaga patch failed, not original script
goson patch failed, not original script
cosin1_1 patch failed, not original script
kuro_4 patch failed, not original script
lastmap patch failed, not original script

Hard Mode
min51_1 patch failed, not original script
chrin_2 patch failed, not original script
ealin_2 patch failed, not original script
blin67_2 patch failed, not original script
elmin4_2 patch failed, not original script
games_2 patch failed, not original script
gongaga patch failed, not original script
goson patch failed, not original script
cosin1_1 patch failed, not original script
kuro_4 patch failed, not original script
lastmap patch failed, not original script
 
The script errors are normal.  The reason the game is not working for you is because you have not read first post or readme.
 
I discovered a minor glitch with text box collision. Again, it is minor and propably on low priority on the todo-list, but just for perfection's sake I'll show you what I'm talking about.

In the original texture, the windows would appear kindly on top of each other, but here it looks like they're going in each other?  ???

MOPGlitch.png


(Image has been cropped due to spoilers!)

If this has already reached your attention, then I apologize...
 
That is not an issue.  It is just an optical illusion... the borders are meshing giving the appearance that they have joined. The real thing to sort that is simply to make sure the dialogue boxes are correct size and X Y position.
 
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When installing using bootleg, I left MSE on. This message came up.

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Detected Item: Trojan:Win32/Dynamer!dtc

Category: Trojan

Description: This program is dangerous and executes commands from an attacker.

Recommended action: Remove this software immediately.

Items:
file:E:\ff7\dlpb-mods\is-G1F4C.tmp
file:E:\ff7\dlpb-mods\sense-dlpb.exe
file:E:\ff7\dlpb-mods\TifaYamp.exe

Get more information about this item online.

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I'm assuming this is the relevant mod thread - sorry if this isn't the right place. Is this an issue I need to be worried about?
 
Whoa, calm down. Assuming casual users will read through documentation isn't really a realistic aspiration. Whilst it would be nice, most users aren't invested enough in the service or software to make that up-front time commitment. Just saying 'Check the FAQ in the opening post' is enough.
 
wut

No, Bosola, that's not a reasonable thing to tell him. He's spent a tremendous amount of time working on the overhaul, and even more time making an easy to understand FAQ designed to service those who would use it. Someone so lazy and stupid that they can't even be bothered to read THE FIRST POST in this entire thread doesn't deserve to be treated nicely. It's not like it's hard to find information, considering the first paragraph tells you where to find the FAQ.

I understand repetitive questions popping up when the answer isn't already posted somewhere obvious. This is not one of those cases. Something stupid was asked and DLPB acted accordingly.

Anyway, it should be expected of everyone to have basic reading comprehension, common courtesy, and common sense on these boards. If they fall grossly short of those expectations because they're a n00b, the violating post should be deleted and they should be warned.
 
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wut

No, Bosola, that's not a reasonable thing to tell him. He's spent a tremendous amount of time working on the overhaul, and even more time making an easy to understand FAQ designed to service those who would use it. Someone so lazy and stupid that they can't even be bothered to read THE FIRST POST in this entire thread doesn't deserve to be treated nicely. It's not like it's hard to find information, considering the first paragraph tells you where to find the FAQ.
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They're not being a 'n00b' at all. Granted, they should have consulted the FAQ before posting, but I can see why someone might not. After all, there's no way to know what data an FAQ contains until it has been read, and that requires a commitment of time a user can't judge worthwhile. This is the reason that documentation always fails - not because people are stupid, but because they're employing unfortunate-but-necessary heuristics that win out in the vast majority of circumstances.

This, unfortunately, is why no-one reads manuals any more. And as someone who used to write software manuals for a living, and took a lot of pride in his work, it makes me as sad as anyone. Rather than railing against it, though, we just have to accept it. No forum with a 'RTFM' policy has ever stopped repeat questions before, and no-one's going to start managing it today.
 
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They're not being a 'n00b' at all. Granted, they should have consulted the FAQ before posting, but I can see why someone might not. After all, there's no way to know what data an FAQ contains until it has been read, and that requires a commitment of time a user can't judge worthwhile. This is the reason that documentation always fails - not because people are stupid, but because they're employing unfortunate-but-necessary heuristics that win out in the vast majority of circumstances.
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It's so rare I yell at my monitor in disbelief. But, here we are. I, too, can see why someone won't read a FAQ or a read me, or instructions, or remember to bring a coat with them to the arctic circle. That does not mean the behavior should be tolerated. Let's follow the thought process involved in this specific circumstance:

1: They won't spend five seconds searching for "virus". They won't do this even through the first paragraph of the thread mentions a FAQ.

1a: If they don't search the FAQ because they've determined beforehand their problem won't be mentioned, they're assuming things. Their problem is unique, the author hasn't made good documentation, etc.

2: They will spend several minutes composing a post asking a question that's already been answered in the FAQ they refused to check due to one of the above reasons.

3: They've determined it's easier and quicker for everyone to ask a question and make someone else spend their time and effort helping them.

This tells me the person's judgement is garbage and/or they don't value other people's time and effort. The n00b label fits. As far as I'm concerned, they don't deserve to be treated nicely. If punishment is too harsh, then they should just be ignored; they don't deserve help as they've done nothing to help themselves first.

<_<

I'm channeling the Obesebear of old, aren't I?
 
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You feel like it's a waste of your time to answer a question that they could've easily found the answer to themselves? Fine. You don't have to answer. However, I would also like to take this chance to reiterate a few of our rules:

CAPS LOCK MAKES IT LOOK LIKE YOU'RE BEING AGGRESSIVE!! WE DON'T LIKE AGGRESSIVE PEOPLE!! SO DON'T USE IT!
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Don't Be a D*ck
Be courteous, polite and show respect to others. Use of the forums is a privilege, not a right. Being a d*ck may get you warned. It may get you moderated. You might get banned for being a d*ck.
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The fact is, I agree that oasis789 should've searched the first post, but that does not mean DLPB's response was appropriate. Even if you are absolutely right and the other person is absolutely wrong, it is important to keep things civil; "right" is not an all access pass to do whatever you want. If you feel they don't deserve help, then simply don't help and leave it at that. Throwing fits is childish and immature, creates a general air of negativity, and will not be tolerated.

On a related note, DLPB, if you want more people to read the first post, you should arrange your information in a manner more useful to the reader. I suggest:

  • Intro (everything that's currently before credits)
  • Key Features
  • History
  • FAQs
  • Things NOT TO DO
  • Progress Reports
  • Credits

Decades of media have trained people to assume that the credits are last (or if anything's after them, it's bonus material of some sort). The climax of a film, for example, NEVER comes after the credits. It's not unreasonable for people to get as far as the credits and assume that it's the rest of the post, without ever so much as scrolling. The information people are most likely to need should be the easiest to access (at the top).

Further, we have been trained to look for sections based on headers, and only read beneath those headers if the header fits. Why is it that you've got the progress reports (which are hardly even relevant now that the project is complete) brightly colored, and labeled with BIG BOLD HEADERS while the FAQs section is headered with a normal size font that is easily missed with a quick scan through the page?

Basically, as the post is structured and formatted right now, the most important information is the least accessible, almost to the point of seeming like it's deliberately hidden (Not to say I actually think you intentionally did that, but that really is how poorly structured it is).

One last thing:

READ THE FIRST POST AND README. [emphasis mine ~Covarr]
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If you had read oasis789's post, you might have noticed that he was asking about something that came up during install. You have cleverly put the readme behind the installer. It is entirely unreasonable to expect people to solve a problem by reading something they can't access until after they have solved their problem.
 
I can lead a horse to water.........

I have a better idea... I am now gonna become ignorant (like Aali, it's the best policy).  Any silly questions... no answer.  I think that will prove amusing... well, for me it will... when others have to answer questions that are answered on the very first page.

You have cleverly put the readme behind the installer
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Oh, how dastardly of me!  This must me stopped! HAHhhaahahaha!
 
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It'll be lulzy when some guy asks his question over and over, then starts messaging random people asking why he's being ignored. :p
 
It'll be lulzy when some guy asks his question over and over, then starts messaging random people asking why he's being ignored. :p
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You seem to have an attitude problem, champ. Now, I'm happy to agree that Dan's response was understandable - after all, the 'strongest' thing I ever said to him was "Whoa, calm down" - and I've been as guilty of snapping at clueless newbies as anyone - but I'm not happy to accept your tone. You're trying to escalate a fairly minor exchange into a full-blown argument, and that's not something I'm going to allow as a moderator.

So drop it. Now.
 
Rainbows and butterflies. i'm going to go kill some hell spawn now in Diablo 3  :evil:
 
I'm channeling the Obesebear of old, aren't I?
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Ah, the good ol' days.


Dan, you'll find things are much easier (on the internet) when you ignore the lazy and ignorant.  Real life may be a different story though...
 
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