[FF7PC-98] The Reunion (OLD THREAD, SAVED FOR POSTERITY)

[Kaldarasha]

Maybe they had planed to use little versions of Nanaki ...
Then the text would make sense, also his ominous children in the end FMV would make sense, too...

 

[Template]

Ostriches, and I think most other large flightless birds have distinctive "ears". You could indeed tickle one behind them if it weren't for the likeliness of it pecking you. But chocobos are nicer. If you piss one off though... not pretty.

just sayin'...

 

[Kaldarasha]

And now it's bunny.


This post is the proud winner of my prestigious "post of the day" award. ~Covarr

 

[DLPB_]

  Kaldarasha.

Well, I am not happy with the Battle Interface as it is, so I am redesigning part of it to be more professional, using the ff9 template.  It won't be THAT much different from before, but it will be an improvement.  Sadly some of this has to be coded from scratch to make it happen.  I am on it though! This is a work in progress view.

 

[DLPB_]

I guess not many of you got the Lucky 7's?  I just did and the names change places   Glad it happened now.

 

[knightsoftheround]

Researching ostriches for this? Dan, you're my kind of anal-retentive. I've done similarly crazy stuff for roleplays and fanfictions. XD I think the ears should stay though based on what Kaldarasha found.

I've never managed Lucky 7s in all the times I've played Final Fantasy VII, actually. XD Glad it happened to you so you could catch it!

 

[Ver Greeneyes]

Screech owls can also have prominent ear tufts:

 

[DLPB_]

I am not sure Chocobo's do, but even then "behind the ears" is definitely  mammal term.

 

[Ver Greeneyes]

Yeah. I was thinking more along the lines of 'tickle its ear tufts'.. but Chocobo models and concept art don't really show they have those

 

[Salk]

It seems I was under the wrong impression that a chocobo is an invented animal race and, as such, doesn't need to follow anatomical traits of any bipedal.

 

[Template]

Look!

Clearly we've tapped into a hot button social issue. I am gonna start a petition to have the code changed to "tickle the chocobo behind its ears". :roll:

My stance was that Dan should make it cute and go for the ears over tickling its head. Dan feels it's better to be precise, and it's his mod so that's how it should be. Certainly the option he has chosen isn't any less accurate, and the gratuitous posting about chocobo anatomy should now end as far as this thread is concerned. If it's worth joining the site over to talk about, we can make a new thread in the completely unrelated sub-forum. I apologize officially for derailing the thread. Still. All hail the Ostrich-Bunny. In honor of the new page:

 

[DLPB_]

Given that the writer was likely under the impression that this was a mammal (soles of feet, belly button) it is also clear he chose the behind the ears for the same reason.  There is no way anyone goes up to a bird and even remotely thinks about tickling it behind its ears.  It is common sense I have been to the zoo many times and seen birds there, and I've thought about stroking their feathers, but not once did I think, "Gee... let's tickle it behind its ears."  I have done that to a dog though.

This is a completely trivial matter anyway.    Birds, fiction or otherwise, have a defined biology and they certainly don't have belly buttons.  :-o

It's not the accuracy that matters here really, it's whether or not it is natural for a character to think or behave this way in the situation.  It's a small liberty I have taken in correcting the original writing. Moving on.....

 

[DLPB_]

Let's have an on-topic post about The Reunion.   :-D

This will be looked at further, but it seems pretty good as it is now.  The "clones" issue is a problem.  The writers use the word "copy" and they don't seem to mean it literally, they kinda mean it as in "contains genetic material"...  At least that is what I heard elsewhere... Luksy believes they do mean clone, but that in the end, they aren't clones at all.  It's a bit weird really....  See the "copies" are just ordinary humans that have been irradiated with Mako and had Jenova cells implanted.  They are nothing more than that... they are not clones or copies in the usual sense (as far as we can see, and from what the official sources say). Sephiroth considers the clones kind of like his brethren, because he too was created using the same processes.  But they are just walking freaks created by Mako and Jenova.

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Hojo“You see, even if Jenova's body is dismembered, it will eventually become one again. That's what is meant by Jenova's Reunion.”------------------------------Hojo“I have been waiting for the Reunion to start. Five years have passed, and now the clones have begun to return.”------------------------------Hojo“I thought the clones would begin to gather at Midgar where Jenova is stored.”------------------------------“But my predictions were not entirely correct. Jenova itself began to move away from the Shinra Building.”------------------------------Hojo“But being the genius that I am, I soon figured it out. You see it was all Sephiroth's doing.”{NEW}“Sephiroth is not just content to diffuse his will into the Lifestream. He wants to manipulate the Clones himself.”------------------------------“Yes, that was how it got started.”------------------------------Hojo“I wondered where the clones were going, but I was never able to figure it out.”------------------------------“I couldn't figure it out either.”------------------------------Hojo“The one thing that I did know was that Sephiroth was at their final destination.”------------------------------“I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth.”------------------------------“I was being summoned by Sephiroth.”------------------------------“All the anger and hatred I bore him, made it impossible for me to ever forget him. That and what he gave me.”------------------------------“Sephiroth? Sephiroth?  I'm here. And I brought you the Black Materia.”------------------------------“Show yourself to me. Where are you?”------------------------------“Sephiroth… So we finally meet again.”------------------------------

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Hojo“You see,even if Jenova's body is divided, all of the parts will eventually converge on a single location,restoring her to life. This is Jenova's "Reunion".”------------------------------Hojo“I have waited patiently for the Reunion. Five years passed before the clones began to move.”------------------------------Hojo“I thought that they would gather in Midgar,where I was holding Jenova…”------------------------------Hojo“But I was mistaken… Jenova itself began to move away from the Shin-Ra Building.”------------------------------Hojo“…My genius provided the answer… It was Sephiroth.”{NEW}“His will had not been dispersed into the Lifestream.”{NEW}“He was manipulating the clones…”------------------------------“Yes,that's how it all started.”------------------------------Hojo“But where were the clones going…? That,I was unable to discern.”------------------------------“I couldn't figure it out either.”------------------------------Hojo“I was sure of one thing… Sephiroth would be at their destination.”------------------------------“So,I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth…”------------------------------“I was being summoned by him.”------------------------------“All of the anger and hatred I bore Sephiroth made it impossible for me to ever forget him. That was his gift to me…”------------------------------“Sephiroth? Sephiroth?  I'm here. I've brought you the Black Materia.”------------------------------“Please show yourself to me. Where are you?”------------------------------“Sephiroth… I have finally found you.”------------------------------

[ Prob better as "We meet at last." / "I have found you at last"  We'll see.]

 

[Isuldor]

I get it.  It's KAHN!  They aren't clones, they're genetically modified. Mutants?

 

[DLPB_]

Yeah, that's pretty much what they are. The strong willed are enhanced by Jenova cells and Mako, but the weak willed (like Cloud) go off their heads.  Sephiroth (at the Great Crater for most of the game) manipulates the clones and Jenova to do his work.   The process used on members of Soldier and to create "the clones" is essentially the same.  But Hojo for some reason calls them "Copies"...  I am not sure if this is deliberate and has some sort of relevance to the plot, or whether the original writers just chose a really lousy word for the process. Maybe there is some mention of this in some official works?

Also, maybe an oversight on the writers' part but at the Temple of the Ancients, Cloud refers to the black cloaked people as Sephiroth's doubles (intended as such like that of Mitosis, and originally laughably translated as "flunkies"), as in, they are linked genetically because of the process they have been through.  However, I  cannot remember any prior exposition that would tell Cloud that....  Maybe I am just missing something thinking back.  The only mention of copies that I can remember prior to this is the report by Hojo which you can choose to read.  I will have a good look into this when I go through the game again when this is done.

ps 16 maps left.  Should have this done in a week.

 

[Kaldarasha]

The experiment's procedure -- which involved injecting cells taken from the
headless body of Jenova into the subjects and exposing them to mako -- doesn't
differ from the manufacturing procedure for SOLDIERs. The largest difference
is that SOLDIERs are selected from a prime field, being strong of mind and
body and able to withstand the experiment uninfluenced by Jenova's cells,
whereas the Clones' fragile minds leave them as "portions" of Jenova. The
subjects of the Sephiroth Clones Project were the survivors of the Nibelheim
incident, with absolutely no thought given to sorting them as with SOLDIER,
and -- being unable to maintain their egos -- they lose the ability to live a
normal human life.

from 'Final Fantasy VII: Ultimania Omega', Translations by Ryu_Kaze

It's the same with Sephiroth, he was an embryo when they inject the Jenova cells in his body, so he was unable to resist to the influence of the Jenova cells.
If we see the happening with the point of view of Hojo, the theory is follow :
If a psychological unstable person, who bears cells of Jenova in his body, this person seems to be attracted by Jenova (because Jenova wants to be one again). That means ,if you put the cells in a persons body which never could reach the requirements of being a SOLDIER, this person should be attracted by Jenova after a certain time. (The theory of the Reunion, rebuilded by Kaldarasha  :-D)

So, creating Sephiroth Clones means actually making a Sephiroth alike persons. Remember Hojo wasn't there, so he assume that Sephiroth has lost his mind and wants to join with Jenova. That's where he has made the mistake. The embryo part has made Sephiroth more or less to another (god like?) life form, which surpasses Jenova.

 

[luksy]

I think 'Clone' is a misnomer, in fact if I'm not mistaken the Japanese only ever uses 'Copy'. Sephiroth himself calls them his 分身 (something like 'other self' / 'alter ego') at one point, as does Rufus, although it might be poetic license or the characters themselves that are unaware.

I think the name derives from the process used to create Sephiroth, hence they are Sephiroth Copies to the extent that they were created in a similar way, but are certainly not outright clones of Sephiroth. In fact not even the process was identical, seeing as Sephiroth had the Jenova cells injected while he was still in Lucretia's womb, whereas AFAIK the clones/copies were all like Cloud and injected as adults.

In other news,  10 5 maps left

 

[DLPB_]

The problem is, the word copy implies that they are clones. If you are right, and the word just refers to the process, then "Sephiroth Copy" gives the completely wrong impression...

Would a Japanese person also have the same problem understanding the use of that phrase?

 

[luksy]

No there isn't really any ambiguity in the name even for a Japanese person, the first impression would be that they literally are copies of Sephiroth IMO.

 

[DLPB_]

So basically, it's used deliberately to confuse matters and make it some sort of a reveal in the story

5 maps left, eh    8)  That means the translation side of things will probably be done within 2 days.  The localisation will probably be done also in that time.  Then comes the next stage.  End game.