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Kaldarasha
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The window.bin is modified after the MO is installed.
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Hellbringer616
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I've never had an issue using the two, What i've always done is install the TA mod. Than i install MO and overwrite all the TA stuff with MO stuff.
than point Aalo's driver to the TA folder. and bam. they both work.
than point Aalo's driver to the TA folder. and bam. they both work.
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DLPB_
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We had a discussion about this too. Luksy's is better I agree. However, it turns out that if you look at the conversation, the guy isn't being that forceful... because one of your replies can be less benign (and he then apologises slightly). He is basically just being condescending to Cloud because he thinks he is a newbie:
#xy 152 160
“I didn't mean to brag,newbie.
Tell you what,seein' how I'm
such a warm-hearted guy,I'll
show ya the ropes.”{NEW}
“Come back this way
tomorrow when you're in a
better mood. I gotta set
some stuff up first.”
#xy 152 160
“I didn't mean to brag,newbie.
Tell you what,seein' how I'm
such a warm-hearted guy,I'll
show ya the ropes.”{NEW}
“Come back this way
tomorrow when you're in a
better mood. I gotta set
some stuff up first.”
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knightsoftheround
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All about context, I was wondering if more of the conversation would shift meaning a bit.
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Template
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The Avalanche GUI and MO do conflict:
They work, but the GUI being installed first causes this:
no matter what is in the mods folder.
So is that happening because the GUI messes with the window.bin too?
They work, but the GUI being installed first causes this:
no matter what is in the mods folder.
So is that happening because the GUI messes with the window.bin too?
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DLPB_
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That's because Avalanche has a patch we (me and Kranmer) made for it that changes those bars. You'll need to work out how to install it without that patch (or get someone to edit the exe to place the bar back to correct pos)
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cmh175
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Just run bootleg with the mods in particular you want to work with, and pull them out of your system files. That way they're already in their installed and working condition, and just need to be added to your directories for your iro. This is all in the mods\bootleg\menu file right?
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DLPB_
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This convo needs moving elsewhere though....
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Template
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Oh. OK. Thanks for the help, Dan.
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jrbgarcia
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hi, what do i do if it says MO.exe is an unsupported 16-bit application?
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knightsoftheround
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Not install it, actually, unless you're after something other than the retranslation project. To quote Dan on the first post: "Please note that the retranslation project currently released with the MO installer is grossly out of date, totally unfinished, and not fit for purpose. Do not install it."
If you're after another aspect of it, I'll have to leave that to people who know more about coding and software than I do. XD
My apologies if I come off as a bit gruff, emotion is hard over the internet. ^_^
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DLPB_
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Yes but MO is also the Menu Overhaul Project... which is prob what he wants to install. If so... why is it saying that. Anyone?
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Kaldarasha
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I guess it was a mistake on his end.
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DLPB_
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I think his other error can be caused by corrupted install file..
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Ver Greeneyes
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Yeah, that error is often caused by corrupted data. Other than that, you usually only see that error when you try to install an older game on a 64-bit system. The game executables themselves are often still 32-bit, but the installers they used were 16-bit. An example of this is C&C: Red Alert. And of course, even older programs did use 16-bit executables.
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InuRa
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So I decided to give another quick look to the current translation status, as I had a bit of time on my hands.
But before anything else, is there no spreadsheet with the dialogs the same way there is one with everything else? Would like to go through that one too, even if just for curiosity.
All the suggestions I'm gonna post here are only meant to create some positive criticism and maybe even help DLPB with a translation decision. I often translate stuff FROM english, so I'm used to it and it's welcome. This is different, but...
I do have my own vision on stuff that's gonna be reflected here obviously, I don't chance stuff for the sake of changing, and I don't change stuff if it's gonna create more confusion\problems than it solves.
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スモーク弾 --> Smoke Bullet --> Smoke Ball --> (Suggestion) "Smoke Bullet" (Why) The attack is actually shoot from a gun, while "Smoke Ball" is also correct, as the shape is "round-ish", there seems to be no benefit to the change.
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左キャラ放出 Free Left Character --> Free Left --> (Suggestion) "Release Left Character"
右キャラ放出 Free Right Character --> Free Right --> (Suggestion) "Release Right Character" (Why) Both the translations became too generic. The robot actually grabs the characters, and later releases them. (As far as I can remember, might wanna triple-check)
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Head Attack --> Head Charge --> (Suggestion) "Headbutt" (Why) No other attack is called this in FF7; there's also a "Head Attack" in FF9 tho. Head Charge is the literal translation I read...? Maybe not worth changing in the end. I'm also a bit divided on this one.
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Hell Spear --> Spear of Hell --> (Suggestion) "Hell Spear" (Why) The retranslation just sounds more wimpy.
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Napalm Bomb --> Napalm --> (Suggestion) "Napalm Bomb" (Why) It's accurate with the english and japanese. It's shoot from a canon, and it does go "Boom! like a bomb".
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Poison Breath --> Bio Breath --> (Suggestion) "Poision Breath" (Why) Avoids confusion as the spells are "Bio" from the materia "Poison", so both are correct, Poison is just more accurate to the original script. Not only that, the other attacks are all Poison-something.
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Scissor Tornado --> Tornado Scissor --> (Suggestion) "Scissor's Tornado" (Why) The monster is called Scissor, so it could work. All 3 sound "OK" in the end I guess.
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Self-destruct / Suicide --> Suicide Bomber --> (Suggestion) "Self-destruct" (Why) Since it's an attack "Suicide Bomber" doesn't sound completely appropriate, and "Suicide Bomb" just sounds completely lame.
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Sub Artillery --> Reserve Artillery --> (Suggestion) "Artillery Replacement"
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Verbal Attack --> Abuse --> (Suggestion) "Verbal Abuse" \ "Insult" \ "Taunt" \ "Provoke" (Why) "Abuse" is simply too generic and doesn't really describe the action done during the attack.
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W-Shield Throw --> Shields Throw --> (Suggestion) "Double Shield Throw" (Why) More literal JP translation that just sounds too cool not to be used.
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Contain --> Forbidden --> (Suggestion) Seal
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HP<-->MP --> Swap --> (Suggestion) HP/MP Swap (Why) More literal (JP). No information regarding the attack's effect is lost.
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Pre-emptive --> Pre-emptive --> (Suggestion) "Pre-emptive Strike"
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Near Death --> Critical --> (Suggestion) "Near Death" (Why) Better describes the situation, Critical is -more- associated with attacks I find and not status conditions.
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Regen --> Regenerate (Suggestion) "Regen" (Why) For consistency, no other reason, no point changing something just for the sake of changing when it means the same (just abbreviated).
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Vegetable Store --> Greengrocer --> (Suggestion) "Vegetable Store" (Why) I've mentioned this one before; this sounds very "non-international english". As a non-native english speaking user, had to check what this was on google before comenting on it.
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Honey Bee Inn --> Honeybee Manor --> (Suggestion) "Honeybee Establishment" (Why) Not happy with this translation either, but maybe it helps someone find the right words.
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Also, spells using -"a" -"ga" and words that are far too different from the original or japanese ("Figa", "Ko Meteor", "Araise") retranslation don't always work for the best effect.
It all comes down to which Final Fantasy's you've played during your lifetime -"ga" spelles for me automatically reminds me of an AoE\All spell more than anything else, creating instant confusion, as FF11 was probably the one I poured more hours into, followed by FF7.
A decent compromise would be replacing the "1", "2", "3" with "I", "II", "III"...
But before anything else, is there no spreadsheet with the dialogs the same way there is one with everything else? Would like to go through that one too, even if just for curiosity.
All the suggestions I'm gonna post here are only meant to create some positive criticism and maybe even help DLPB with a translation decision. I often translate stuff FROM english, so I'm used to it and it's welcome. This is different, but...
I do have my own vision on stuff that's gonna be reflected here obviously, I don't chance stuff for the sake of changing, and I don't change stuff if it's gonna create more confusion\problems than it solves.
1
スモーク弾 --> Smoke Bullet --> Smoke Ball --> (Suggestion) "Smoke Bullet" (Why) The attack is actually shoot from a gun, while "Smoke Ball" is also correct, as the shape is "round-ish", there seems to be no benefit to the change.
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左キャラ放出 Free Left Character --> Free Left --> (Suggestion) "Release Left Character"
右キャラ放出 Free Right Character --> Free Right --> (Suggestion) "Release Right Character" (Why) Both the translations became too generic. The robot actually grabs the characters, and later releases them. (As far as I can remember, might wanna triple-check)
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Head Attack --> Head Charge --> (Suggestion) "Headbutt" (Why) No other attack is called this in FF7; there's also a "Head Attack" in FF9 tho. Head Charge is the literal translation I read...? Maybe not worth changing in the end. I'm also a bit divided on this one.
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Hell Spear --> Spear of Hell --> (Suggestion) "Hell Spear" (Why) The retranslation just sounds more wimpy.
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Napalm Bomb --> Napalm --> (Suggestion) "Napalm Bomb" (Why) It's accurate with the english and japanese. It's shoot from a canon, and it does go "Boom! like a bomb".
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Poison Breath --> Bio Breath --> (Suggestion) "Poision Breath" (Why) Avoids confusion as the spells are "Bio" from the materia "Poison", so both are correct, Poison is just more accurate to the original script. Not only that, the other attacks are all Poison-something.
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Scissor Tornado --> Tornado Scissor --> (Suggestion) "Scissor's Tornado" (Why) The monster is called Scissor, so it could work. All 3 sound "OK" in the end I guess.
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Self-destruct / Suicide --> Suicide Bomber --> (Suggestion) "Self-destruct" (Why) Since it's an attack "Suicide Bomber" doesn't sound completely appropriate, and "Suicide Bomb" just sounds completely lame.
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Sub Artillery --> Reserve Artillery --> (Suggestion) "Artillery Replacement"
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Verbal Attack --> Abuse --> (Suggestion) "Verbal Abuse" \ "Insult" \ "Taunt" \ "Provoke" (Why) "Abuse" is simply too generic and doesn't really describe the action done during the attack.
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W-Shield Throw --> Shields Throw --> (Suggestion) "Double Shield Throw" (Why) More literal JP translation that just sounds too cool not to be used.
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Contain --> Forbidden --> (Suggestion) Seal
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HP<-->MP --> Swap --> (Suggestion) HP/MP Swap (Why) More literal (JP). No information regarding the attack's effect is lost.
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Pre-emptive --> Pre-emptive --> (Suggestion) "Pre-emptive Strike"
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Near Death --> Critical --> (Suggestion) "Near Death" (Why) Better describes the situation, Critical is -more- associated with attacks I find and not status conditions.
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Regen --> Regenerate (Suggestion) "Regen" (Why) For consistency, no other reason, no point changing something just for the sake of changing when it means the same (just abbreviated).
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Vegetable Store --> Greengrocer --> (Suggestion) "Vegetable Store" (Why) I've mentioned this one before; this sounds very "non-international english". As a non-native english speaking user, had to check what this was on google before comenting on it.
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Honey Bee Inn --> Honeybee Manor --> (Suggestion) "Honeybee Establishment" (Why) Not happy with this translation either, but maybe it helps someone find the right words.
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Also, spells using -"a" -"ga" and words that are far too different from the original or japanese ("Figa", "Ko Meteor", "Araise") retranslation don't always work for the best effect.
It all comes down to which Final Fantasy's you've played during your lifetime -"ga" spelles for me automatically reminds me of an AoE\All spell more than anything else, creating instant confusion, as FF11 was probably the one I poured more hours into, followed by FF7.
A decent compromise would be replacing the "1", "2", "3" with "I", "II", "III"...
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DLPB_
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First of all, I have already mentioned before that 99 % of the blue text in the online document online are not being changed again ever. That said, I will answer these (I do appreciate suggestions, it's just that so much of this has already been answered or thought about numerous times, which is why I have stopped taking requests on any of the blue text, which is finalised.):
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If you want to change it to be something else, feel free to use Wallmarket.
Dan
Smoke ball sounds right. I have never heard of a "Smoke bullet". I will look at it in game though.
This move isn't seen in game(?), and I deliberately cut it down in size. It is more a description than a move. I would prob leave it as it is regardless. Free left and free right sound good to me.
If it is charge towards a player then charge is correct, if it head butts, then butt is correct. Does it charge? I dn;t recall any enemy butting anyone.
I think it sounds better.
Napalm is by its own admission dropped as a bomb, the word bomb is redundant.
This move has nothing to do with materia.
It is literally a suicide bomber. which is also a real thing in life.
It isn't a replacement, it is a reserve.
Insult is used somewhere else, but I agree this probably needs to be verbal abuse or taunt. I will check it in game.
It throws both shields I think... but I will check this in game and I tried to avoid keep using "double".
There is already a seal materia. And Forbidden captures the meaning. "Sealed away"
I like swap, the description does the rest.
Not important.
Critical is what it is called in other games, and near death sounds lame. It was never used in FF7 anyway. The text goes yellow instead.
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Regen is short for regenerate, and the Japanese uses symbol for regeneration. I liked the full version here, and it also makes the status text look neat.
It remains vegetable store in US text. Not in UK.
It is a manor. There is no other word that does it justice. Perhaps "House" but even that sounds crap. Establishment sounds verbose.
Most FFs that followed VII did pretty much same as me, and I see no reason to change it. It is fine. It will never be an exact art. What you prefer, someone else will not. I chose a good enough selection
If you want to change it to be something else, feel free to use Wallmarket.Dan
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luksy
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Just weighing in on スモーク弾, could work as "Smoke round".
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DLPB_
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That sounds pretty good! There's also Smoke Shot... But I think I used that elsewhere.
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InuRa
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Why limit possible improvements?
If it wasn't for the amount of work involved it would even be nice to have a Steam-like translation submission, and even expand the "reviewed" translation to many more languages.
Just one or two people is never enough to weight in on all the possible translations (IMO!) in order to make it accessible and clean to everyone.
A bomb container is definitely not the only way to use Napalm.
What's the reason for the change then? Being the english and japanese translations "Poison Breath" (according to your spreadsheet document) and the other attacks "Poison Blow", "Poison Fang" and "Poison Storm"?
Pokemon attack exercise doesn't like it much but, I guess it just depends on how we read it. Not a big deal at all.
"Suicide Bomber" uses "Suicide Bomber" on "Cloud".
Yeah, I ended up going with just a selected few translations that seemed close to discussion-free regarding menus and stuff, quite some time ago, not bugging anyone by doing so just in my own game anyway.Most FFs that followed VII did pretty much same as me, and I see no reason to change it. It is fine. It will never be an exact art. What you prefer, someone else will not. I chose a good enough selection
Also, "Most FFs that followed VII did pretty much same as me" is not a valid argument for that topic as you do the exact opposite much more often; same goes for me; but I do understand your point.
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