[FF7PC] Ultima Espio Aeris patch

[ClanD]

You mean making Aerith fade out?
Please don't do that it will be depressing

 

[Tuxedo]

She dies, I don't know how her fading out will be any more depressing. How about I just beta the script? As checking each scene and making up lines...  :| I'll get lazy.

 

[ClanD]

Well since you are going through all the work of bringing her back and giving her new lines why don't go all the way out and go for the happy ending, you know Aerith & Cloud surviving together.
I know this will crash with the events in Advent Children, but it's not like it will that much of a crime to just assume an alternate ending, in fact I think the reason that Aerith & Cloud remain popular even after so long, it is becasue alternate versions of their love history have been feactured in other Square-Enix games, she is protected by Cloud in a chapter of Final Fantasic Tactics, and they reunite at the ending of Kingdom Hearts 1, in fact Cloud's history in that game is about him making a deal with Hercules's nemesis Hades in order to recover his "light", and we all know that Hades is the greek god of the dead souls, so that is about how much he cared about her, he was ready to make a deal with the devil himself in order to have her back.
So please consider just letting them stay together, I think Cloud would be happy about it and a lot of fans, me included, will thank you a lot. 

 

[Tenko Kuugen]

Well since you are foing through all the work of bringing her back and giving her new lines why don't go all the way out and go for a happy ending, you know Aerith & Cloud surviving together.

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I will not be making any changes to the main story, it'll end up like a fanfic.

I know this will crash with the events in Advent Children, but it's not like it will that much of a crime to just assume an alternate ending, in fact I think the reason that Aerith & Cloud remain popular even after so long, it is becasue alternate versions of their love history have been feactured in other Square-Enix games, she is protected by Cloud in a chapter of Final Fantasic Tactics, and she reunites with him at the ending of Kingdom Hearts 1, in fact Cloud's history in that game is about him making a deal with Hercules's nemesis Hades in order to recover his "light", and we all know that Hades is the greek god of the dead souls, so that about is how much he cared about her, he was ready to make a deal with the devil himself in order to have her back.
So please consider just letting them stay together, I think Cloud would be happy about it and a lot of fans, me included, will thank you a lot. 

I disagree. Most of all, canon in KH2 is that Tifa is Cloud's light. She says so right after the fight against Sephiroth in KH2. He doesn't give a shit about either Aerith or Tifa though, he just runs around and looks for Sephiroth. The whole 'light' thing in KH1 is more metaphorical anyway.

Secondly, there are about as many people that will NOT be happy with what you propose as there will be happy ones, making this a very sharp double-edged sword.

I say, keep the story at it is. See the first quote anyway.
If I want fanfiction, I can write some myself.

 

[ClanD]

I was not suggesting to change the whole history, just the ending, I only put the KH reference to ilustrate my point that alternate versions of Cloud and Aerith have already been made (In fact Aerith is not even dead in the KH1 plot)
In fact as far as the project as evolved, the history as already undergone a significant change  in order to give Aerith more playtime, as giving her dialogues means giving her interaction with the other party members, the only way to actually accept this patch and keep strictly attached to the cannon, will be go with the previous suggestion of the "ghost aerith" bringing her back with a transparent model, without dialogues, without anybody noticing her presence, just for the sake of gameplay.
Then again the ending won't change that much, the Advent Children movie, makes clear that the planet and all the main characters survive the ordeal, (even president Rufus that I tought was vaporised by a "Weapon"attack) the only thing that will change is that Cloud won't become depressed and lonely, has he was seen in AC.
About the "double edge sword" I agreed with you, this game in particular have been subjet to intense debate, and there is no real consess on anything about it, for starters some people even argue if the game is good or not, and there is some people that absolutly hate Aerith, while others (like me ) love her, everyone is free take their side, but I guess that many of the people interesed in this patch actually liked the flower girl, so my point is that  my "happy ending" suggestion won't appeal to all the final fantasy 7 fans, but I think it will appeal to many final fantasy 7 fans that actually liked Aerith, those that didn't liked her or think that the game was perfect the way it was, and that her permanent death was indeed necesary just have to abstent from using this particular patch.
And again, maybe I was not clear enought, I didn't mean to change the  ending video, (it is amazing) or anything, I just mean that she should not dissapear, just have them all escape the crater together, then you could just assume that she and cloud are ok, or if you want to keep with the cannon establised by AC assume that she returned to the lifestream shortly after the battle.
After all the original ending was not very explicit about the fate of the heroes, exept for Red XII who seems to have two kids some hundreds of years later.

 

[Mendelevium]

Kingdom Hearts was nothing but a combination of Square Enix(soft) and Disney characters designed to make a lot of money. What happened in that storyline is entirely separate from Final Fantasy VII. I am also a fan of Aeris, but I believe the games original plot-line should be kept.

The happy ending would just skew all the events that take place after Final Fantasy VII. Not that I am a huge fan of Advent Children, in fact I flat out think it ruins Final Fantasy VII, but we were not the original authors. That would be the folks in the offices of Square Enix.

So I vote to keep the original feel and plot the same. Even if Ultima Espio is already making a drastic change by bringing Aeris back from the dead, but it is a mod. One that seems to be neat and fun! ^_^.

Or on a different note, perhaps he could release alternate versions. One with the happy ending, and one with  Aeris just fading out like a ghost.

I don't know, I am not much for stating my opinions, because I always sound like a jerk. ^_^.
But that is just my view on it.

Thanks,
Mendel

 

[ClanD]

Or on a different note, perhaps he could release alternate versions. One with the happy ending, and one with  Aeris just fading out like a ghost.

That sounds very reasonable to me

Or there may be a third option, Aerith could tell Cloud that after they defeat Sephiroth she has to return to the lifestream in order to control the power of "Holy" and make sure that the energy of the two magics in collision is somehow contained, cause otherways the planet may be saved but a immense amount of people (maybe most of the human race) will be destroyed by the explosion, this possibilty (the human race being wiped out of existence by the will or power of the planet) is refered by Red XIII's "Grandfather" in Cosmo Cayon so it adjust well to the cannon, so after Sephiroth is defeated she voluntary returns to the lifestream alive, with a nice parting frase and the promise that she and Cloud will be togeter again when the right time comes.

I like this scenario because it covers most of the pros with almost no problems, say:

1. We could have Aerith during the whole game for full game play experience, she will be in all the way to the final battle, ready to kick Sephiroth's ass for some payback.

2. It works all together with the "Advent Children" plot, in fact it may explain pretty well with she is able to help Cloud with the powers of the lifestream, because she is living within it.

3. It also works with Cloud s grimmy actitude in "Advent Children" he just miss her a lot, and blames himself for letting the things go so critical that Aerith have to part with him in order to save the world.

4. The "We will be together again when the time is right" works in two different ways and both are cool:

It could mean that they will reunite whitin the lifestream when Cloud is ready, this goes along with one of the last scenes of "Advent Children" after bein seriously wounded in the last battle, Cloud find himself alonside Aerith in wath I think is the inner part of the lifestream, but Aerith tells him that is not the time jet and sends in back to the world of the living as he regains conciense in the old churn.

Or it could mean that in the future (a sequel maybe ¿Final Fantasy VII-2?)  she will return to the world of the living with the help of Cloud.

5. Her act of selfless sacrifice will remain as great as always, even greater as she also take active part in kicking Sephiroth's butt, but will be a lot less sad.

I think it will be a lot better that she just vanishing like her batteries run off or something.

Well that is my proposal I hope you like

 

[ultima espio]

Yeah, I expected something like this to happen.

 

[Tuxedo]

Yeah, I expected something like this to happen.

LOL
Just say NO. I really like the fading out idea, everyone else's suggestions sound like something out of a bad fanfic.

 

[ClanD]

Well my last post was going along with the idea of she leaving at the end, I just wanted she to she to have a motive and a farewell cuote, sorry if I over-extended, I got a little carried away when it comes to final fantasy.

 

[Tuxedo]

Reading over my post, I sounded like a total ****. I'm sorry if I came across as harsh. Anyways, aside from one's subjective view on the quality of your ideas, it'd be might be difficult to add in all that, you might be asking too much of Ultima.

 

[The Seer of Shadows]

Reading over my post, I sounded like a total ****. I'm sorry if I came across as harsh.

At least you're upfront and honest

Anyway, I do not vote for releasing different versions.  What's the point?  People can edit dialogue individually if they don't like what happens.

If it were up to me, I would have it so that the power of Holy temporarily revives Aerith after her death by Sephiroth.  She then lives on as a sort of "living dead" existence until the execution of the Holy spell is complete.  She therefore dies/fades immediately after defeating Safer Sephiroth and unblocking Holy.  (Does that also sound like a bad fanfic?)

Otherwise, just have her disappear without explanation following the Safer Sephiroth battle.  I think that's easiest.

 

[ClanD]

Well I guess I may be taking this a lil too deep to heart, it's just that Aerith was my favorite character of the game, (& one of my favorites from the saga, among with Rydia from FF4 & Rikku from FF10) and I was never content whit her death being "permanent" I know it sounds silly, but to the last second of the game I was hoping for she to be revived (by the power of Holy unleashed or something like that).
So when I find this patch, I got all exited about her resurrecting and many memories from the game came to my mind all at once and I start making up stuff, but you are right guys, it's just a patch for fun and it's not intented to change the cannon, or match my personal preference, (if that were the case I will stick with the "Happy Ending" they escape the crater together later on Cloud married Aerith in a beatufully detailed video in the old churn of the slums & Advent Children never happened ).

I just hope that Square-Enix decided to make a official sequel someday and that they allow the player to bring her back to life as part of the quest.

Again that is just my wish, I'm not intenting to start an argue about  it will be Square's best option or not.

 

[The Seer of Shadows]

??? You seem to be a little over-involved in the game.

No need to apologize for your post - there was nothing wrong with it.  I'd like to say, however, that as a fictional character, it doesn't matter whether Aerith has a happy or a sad ending, or whether she is dead or alive.

(Or does it?  Am I under-involved in the game? )

 

[ultima espio]

LOL
Just say NO. I really like the fading out idea, everyone else's suggestions sound like something out of a bad fanfic.

Ok. NO

At the end of the day, it's all down to what I decide. That may sound harsh, but that's how it is :/

That said, I won't release multiple versions. This isn't Pokemon

Now then, what do I use to edit Weapon and Item data?

 

[The Seer of Shadows]

Now then, what do I use to edit Weapon and Item data?

You mean you want to edit the kernel.bin?  Everyone should know what's needed to do that.

See this thread.

 

[ultima espio]

Thought you'd say that. I can't use it, because I can't install the power packs :S

 

[The Seer of Shadows]

Oh.  Well that's different :|

Some of the older versions of Wall Market don't require the power packs and are probably still suitable for whatever you want to do.  You can download any version of Wall Market in human history from the links in that post I linked you to.

A few of those links may be broken.  If you can't download a version of Wall Market that doesn't require the power packs, pester NFITC1

 

[Tenko Kuugen]

you could also just ASK someone to do the editing for you
make a list of changes, you give me your kernel.bin, I apply the changes for you. ( iirc, you can create .wm patch files )
if that works for you, i'll be happy to help

 

[ultima espio]

Thanks, but I've tried it on my other computer, and it worked

Thanks for asking anyway ;D

I think from now, I'm going to be keeping more things secret.