[FF8PC - Steam] Succession Mod (v.1.0)

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Hi Percival

Just posting to say that I've been keeping an eye on this mod and am greatly looking forward to playing it once it's finished. Good to hear that you're still making progress, please keep going!
 
Thanks, circle! That's very encouraging.

I've just posted 2 new sample videos to my Youtube Playlist.
Check out clips 6 & 7.
And I have 2 more that will be on the way soon!
 
Progress Update:

Hello, everyone!  Thank you so much for the encouragement and support. I am still working hard on this mod, and I have made some very substantial progress. Unfortunately, I greatly overestimated how much time I would be able to devote to this project during November and December. But I wanted to provide an update on my progress so far.

I have edited each scene on disc 3 up to and including the Squall and Rinoa scene on the bridge to Esthar. And I've completed the Laguna sequences, excluding the one in Esthar, which I will start very soon.

I've also taken the time to make some changes in earlier scenes, based on feedback that I have received from some of you. And I have refined a little dialogue in disc 1 & 2 as I saw the need.

I won't be providing an update for download in the immediate future, because there are too many scenes currently in an unfinished state. But in the meantime, I have added some sample videos to my playlist in the initial post. And I will be posting more videos in the near future.

I am still excited about this project, and I’m eager to see it completed!
 
I don't mean to offer harsh criticism here because I greatly enjoy the enhancements you've made so far, but I completely disagree with the dialogue you've given Edea during the inauguration speech. Please allow me to explain why.

To begin with, I found this old post on GameFAQs (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/197343-final-fantasy-viii/43179495) that highlights the translation errors and styles used in the English and Japanese dialogue. I went searching for Edea's original English speech because I felt that it was a powerful tool to help the player to understand the plot of the game once they learn that Ultimecia is ultimately behind them. It is important to remember that the reason that she wants to achieve Time Compression is because the events of the game are going to be recorded into history, and the people of the future will persecute sorceresses as they await her arrival to try and destroy time itself. Your changes make it seem like she's offering purpose or leadership to the citizens of the country, but in reality she hates these people and condemns them for hailing her ascension despite hunting and prosecuting sorceresses for many generations into the future in which she is born.

This is our first glimpse into the mind of Ultimecia herself, veiled behind the face of Edea. Aside from some easily fixed grammar issues, I think your changes come off a bit as a Rita Repulsa type monologue; clearly she's saying she's evil, but what is the point of her conveying this? While I do feel like your speech is actually better than the English translation in terms of style because it's her presentation is more abstract, the dialogue itself is lacking intent and I think that the message Ultimecia delivers through Edea should more subtly reflect Ultimecia's mysterious persona and her ultimate plan.

That being said, I know this is your project and I appreciate the hard work you've put into improving the game in an area where it's direly needed.
 
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Hey Lunareste!

Thank you so much for the feedback!  I don’t consider any criticism to be harsh, as long as it isn’t mean-spirited.

Regarding the original Japanese translation, I have read it many times, and I used it as an initial reference before creating my rewrite.

It is important to remember that the reason that she wants to achieve Time Compression is because the events of the game are going to be recorded into history, and the people of the future will persecute sorceresses as they await her arrival to try and destroy time itself.
Let me first say that I like this idea, and I appreciate that you brought it up. If this idea, and others like it, had been explored, or woven into the narrative throughout the story, I probably would have never had a desire to make this mod.

The problem is that this is not what the original text is saying. And this is one of the most common criticisms of the story, that Ultimecia has no clear motivation. (That’s a major reason why fans developed the ‘Rinoa is Ultimecia’ theory in the first place). 

The original text is referencing classical interpretations of witches that we are familiar with in our world. And the assumption is that the people in Deling have similar preconceptions and biases against witches (or ‘sorceresses’). Why would Ultimecia be referencing future events that her current audience would have no knowledge or understanding of? Instead, she is referencing their past, and things the audience does understand and relate to.

But, if the people have this bias against witches, then the story has created a question: why do the people (including the president) support Edea as a leader now, despite such a bias? This is what my mod attempts to answer, primarily through the perspective of Seifer, but also through the explanation of the nature of sorceresses themselves.

And it is by this explanation of sorceresses that we come to a greater understanding of Ultimecia’s motivation. So if you’re looking for a deeper look into the mind and motivation of Ultimecia (or Edea), it is in other scenes, not this one.

The focus of this scene is to provide context for the events that are taking place in THIS scene. I attempted to clearly demonstrate how Edea is able to come to power, overthrow and murder the current president, and convince the people to love her for it.

Your changes make it seem like she's offering purpose or leadership to the citizens of the country...

...I think your changes come off a bit as a Rita Repulsa type monologue; clearly she's saying she's evil, but what is the point of her conveying this?
Please clarify, which is it?

And if it's both, then, to a certain extent, that's exactly what I intended. She isn't saying she is evil. She is saying the exact opposite. And the player is, of course, supposed to get the impression that she is. But the audience, however, (including people like Seifer) is being manipulated into supporting her. She is telling them what they want to hear, and they're buying it. That is the intent of the speech (and arguably most political speeches in general). And the reason for her poetic cadence is to imply that she is using a subtle form of coercive magic, and combining it with persuasive rhetoric to ‘cast a spell’ on the audience, so to speak.

I really did attempt to capture the spirit and intent of the original, while keeping the content of her speech practical and intelligible for a player on their first playthrough. In the original, she promised to lead the people into a fantasy of their own delusions. In mine, she makes fantastical promises, and her audience is deluded into following her.

Hopefully this helps you to better understand the perspective I’m taking with this mod!

Also, and I understand if this is too much of a stretch for you, but in the same way that I have written amnesia out of the story, I have also written Time Compression completely out of the story. This necessarily alters the view you had of Ultimecia’s past and motivation. It's something I have intended for a while, now, and for the final version of the mod, I’ll update the description to reflect that.

If this deviation is one step too far for you, I understand. I’ll be a little bummed, but I get it.
 
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No need to be bummed! I'll try having a more open mind to your interpretation in the future. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
 
I was looking for a fresh way to experience FFVIII again and this all sounds great. I'll be trying this out with your Martial Law mod in the future for sure, thanks!
 
This is honestly such a good mod. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to improve this game in the way that you have. I hope you're doing well, and I'll be eagerly waiting for future updates!
 
Hello, everyone!  I am very glad that you are all enjoying the mod. And once again, I greatly appreciate all of the support and encouragement.

  So far, the last six months haven’t been as productive as I would have liked, but nevertheless, I am excited about the quality of work I am producing. Regarding my progress, I’m currently moments away from beginning to edit the first scenes on the Ragnarok. Given that I am mostly writing in chronological order, that means I’m more than halfway through disc 3.

  I’ve resisted the urge to upload any updates. I think that releasing another incomplete version would only add unnecessary work to the process, as well as frustrate all of you with multiple editions, each with different potential errors.

  My plan is to avoid releasing anything more until I have a full second draft of the entire game, all the way through disc 4. At that point, any feedback you have would be in light of the mod in total. I'm also attempting to devote as much time to this project as I can spare, so as to not leave everyone waiting any longer than necessary.

  Thanks again!
 
glad to hear you're still working on this and are already part of the way through disc 3! still excited to play this once the first full version is completed
 
reporting quistis is mean lol
Yeah, I think it's great!

Once again, I was attempting to limit the perceived power disparity between the two of them. I want to do my best to prevent someone from interpreting Quistis' actions, as well as Squall's impression of her actions, as abusive or predatory, given that she is his teacher.
 
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Big Progress update!

I have unofficially finished the mod all the way through disc 4!  I'm currently doing one final playthrough,
looking for mistakes, and making other small changes as needed.

I have put so much work into this mod, far more than I ever originally intended. But I believe that the
incredible result is worth all the effort. I am very satisfied with what I have been able to accomplish, and
I am convinced that all of you will be, too.

Also, I've posted several more sample videos, including one of my favorites of Laguna. Check it out!
Here.

And two videos with my re-imagining of the Myth of Hyne.
Here. And Here.

The next update that I post will be version 1.0.
 
Hopefully the community can help you with typo's, feedback, or any other small tweaks after version 1.0 releases! Try to take some of the weight off of your shoulders after completing such a huge task/accomplishment. :)
 
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