FFXI benchmark program

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Kunnnaejundaaa wuwaaa *blink blink* o.O
unnng you have to have G4 or better 3D-card

"5487"
Under G3, 512MB DDR, 2.2GHz...,
but I couldn't test under SiS 650_740 (Y_Y)
 
i got 4141....
jari: why is yours so high?
"GF4 Ti4400" really stop whining -_-;

FFXI is based on DX8.1 or higher...
also game is based on nVidia (I will re-read the homepage again)!!!
But I hope US Squaresoft will release US version of FFXI U.U

eh. i have a 4600 :)
 
*chuckles* Why bother? There's no threat whatsoever from 3Dfx these days.

Are you familiar with Occam's Razor? In other words; did you consider that it might not work just because your Voodoo 3 is old piece of junk? Which will fail if the program demands something as simple as 32 bit color depth with 3D acceleration. But hey, if you think that the only problem with your card is the lack of DX8.1 support in the drivers, good for you.

That "piece of junk" still has some perfectly good hardware acceleration equipment on it.  Physically, the hardware can handle the games (at least in my case, with my P4 1.5 Ghz backing it up), its only the drivers that's preventing it from running those games.  I don't mind the fact that it can't do 32bit color, although i wouldn't mind having that capability in the first place.

Though it is true that 3Dfx doesn't really threaten the market, it still seems as though nVidia is either afraid of letting these cards have full support, or they really do think that 3Dfx constitues a threat to them.

Why?  They seem adamant about keeping the 3Dfx driver code away from us.  Yes, I can see if they need SOME code for the 3Dfx tech that they may or may not be using in the nv30, but most of that tech is coming from the Rampage architecture (which probably would have used a totally different driver set/code than the V3 or VSA-100 cards), and so therefore the Voodoo driver code really isn't mission critical for them, which makes it seem silly to not open-source it, so those of us who *like* our cards and don't have money to buy a new one can at least squeeze a few more games' worth of playability out of it.

Unless, of course, it really IS their intent to completely erase 3Dfx from the planet......
 
That "piece of junk" still has some perfectly good hardware acceleration equipment on it.  Physically, the hardware can handle the games (at least in my case, with my P4 1.5 Ghz backing it up), its only the drivers that's preventing it from running those games.  I don't mind the fact that it can't do 32bit color, although i wouldn't mind having that capability in the first place.
 

Even so, I personally feel that the Voodoo3 series are aging... that's what I think at least.
 
That "piece of junk" still has some perfectly good hardware acceleration equipment on it. Physically, the hardware can handle the games (at least in my case, with my P4 1.5 Ghz backing it up), its only the drivers that's preventing it from running those games. I don't mind the fact that it can't do 32bit color, although i wouldn't mind having that capability in the first place.

Unless, of course, the games actually NEED

-32-bit colour
-Textures larger than 256x256 (technically known as 'postage stamp' size in the industry...
-More than 2 texturing units
-More than 2 projection matrices (this is *really* silly, it costs nothing in terms of memory to support more matrices, the card just wasn't built to do it; even old Rage cards had 10 matrices...)
-Texture combining (needed to really make USE of more than one texture)

in which case the hardware CAN'T physically handle the games.

I should mention that I haven't picked out any features there which are 'new' and have only been around for a few years. My old Savage 4 - which, I might add, was around at the same time as the V3; had nearly the same performance; and cost far less - does most of those and *more*, such as texture compression. And yes, it was also compatible with old games such as FF7. So the V3 really isn't a good card in any sense of the word...
 
I can testify that the only thing the V3 was good at was glide, which no one uses anymore. I have a V3 in naru here and even in Linux, the hacker's OS, it simply blows.  The people who made the DRI (Direct Rendering Interface) for Linux were able to hack in the ability render OpenGL in a window using off-screen rendering and filling in the blanks with software. I get 5 FPS running Doom Legacy.

The Voodoo3 is actully a Banchee, they changed the name in the devopment cycle as 3DFX was already going doun the poop chute. They took Brand Reconition over a good product.

Heck I can't even to 32 bit color in 1280x1024. I *So* need a new graphics card....
 
why they can't follow the examples done in "Nature" scene of 3DMark 2001SE? My R8500 showed a quite playble framerate but NOT in FF XI bench.
bah! all the elements showed in FF XI is outdated,  :evil:
er, speaking of evil... it brings up for another upgrade strategy...uuah!
 
They do, It's called "Evolution" and "Survival of the fittest"

I bet the Tyrannasaur was a really cool animal, but being cool doen't garentee you'l be around forever.
 
Goku7:  Hey, I kinda know how you feel.  I held onto a viper2 card for waaaaay to long.  Hell, the thing couldn't display textures correctly to save it's own butt until driver release 9.51.13 (which was well after the card's release).  It was okay for it's time (note I said okay, not great) but quickly became outdated.  S3 drivers have always been crap.  It would be wonderful for companies to continue to write/develop/release drivers for cards that have passed their prime, but it's just not profitable.  We all know what drives companies.  It'd be nice to see continued development for our favorite 3d chipsets, but it's just not going to happen.  I *finally* upgraded to a GF2ti, which was the best thing I could've done.  I can enjoy games at decent framerates and have them display correctly.  And get driver updates.  

Halkun:  Have you tried running the demo with wine/winex?  I've had very little luck with wine or that transgaming crap, although my mandrake box isn't exactly what you'd call ready for prime time with gaming.
 
The Voodoo 3 was a nice card. Yes it's damned fast in glide, but it is missing features that are needed in todays' games. I think the real reason nVidia hold back the code is so that people buy new cards, so that the industry can move forward, rather than being rooted in it's past.
Don't get me wrong, 3DFX was a great company, I still have a Voodoo 5 sitting in my machine. Was is the operative word here though.
 
Wine....

I used to help develop for wine and and the system is not as mature as you think.

First, My openGL does not allow the use of threads. So the DirectX layer will not work on my box.

Second, there are many kernel fuctions that are missing in wine. Wine will never ever be able to use Kernel32.dll and gdi.dll even though it has a DLL loader. They run in ring0 and the linux kenel will never allow that. These systems are only partially implemented.

Funny story:
I  once tried to get bleem to run under linux. It would smash as soon as I tried to start it. After a little research, I found out how bleem worked. To run as fast as it does, It kicks out the Windows9x kernel and replaces it with itself. In ring 0 it can do whatever it wants. When bleem tried to do that with the Linux kernel, not only did the linux kernel shut down the Bleem process, but also killed the winesever for being such an idiot for allowing that kind of operation to even be reconized.
 
Goku: Quite frankly, I think they aren't supporting it because 3DFX is a dead technology. Yeah, people still use it, but in all realities, it's a dead technology, and I think Square simply doesn't want to spend time supporting a dead technology.

BTW: My GF2 sucks, but I got a decent score. 2603 first run, 23xx second run.

Time to get a new Vid Card...
 
I got 3892..... I quite enjoyed that little fly around the scenery... was light relief from a day of maths :weep:
 
Hal:  No misconceptions about the limitations of wine here.  That's why there's a windoze box in the other room.  I've played with it enought to know it's not worth messing around with (not yet, anyway).  I'm not really a heavy gamer, so it's not like it's a big hassle.  I use vmware at work, so I can run our billing software when I have to.  It's really a shame there aren't more games/ports developed for linux, though.
 
Unless, of course, the games actually NEED

-32-bit colour
-Textures larger than 256x256 (technically known as 'postage stamp' size in the industry...
-More than 2 texturing units
-More than 2 projection matrices (this is *really* silly, it costs nothing in terms of memory to support more matrices, the card just wasn't built to do it; even old Rage cards had 10 matrices...)
-Texture combining (needed to really make USE of more than one texture)

in which case the hardware CAN'T physically handle the games.

I should mention that I haven't picked out any features there which are 'new' and have only been around for a few years. My old Savage 4 - which, I might add, was around at the same time as the V3; had nearly the same performance; and cost far less - does most of those and *more*, such as texture compression. And yes, it was also compatible with old games such as FF7. So the V3 really isn't a good card in any sense of the word...

Ok, yes, those are all very valid points.  However, 3Dfx tech isn't exactly dead.  IIRC, nVidia is incorporating some stuff from the original 3Dfx Rampage design, so not ALL of their stuff is bad.

The main cause of their downfall was the change of management that happened somewhere after the Voodoo2 was released, and unfortunately the new management wasn't to smart when it came to financial matters.  The tech people were definitely top notch, if not ambitious, for if you remember, Rampage (which was supposed to have hardware capabilities similar to the GF3), was originally scheduled to be the next released card after the Voodoo2.

Also, yes, you are correct in that compared to hardware standards of today, the V3 is not exactly the best of cards.  Personally, the only reasons (other than a lack of money) that I'm staying with the V3 is that currently the performance it's giving (framerate-wise) is still enough to where I can enjoy the games I play, and because I'm having a little contest with how long the card can last (speed-wise) in the games that come out (in order to really get a fair "trial", you'd have to assume that it does have drivers that support for DX8.1, and I'm still hearing reports on the X-3Dfx.com forums that the 3DHQ team is still working on it), and because I haven't found a Voodoo5 to use (Ok, so driver-wise I'd still be in the same boat, but I would at least have support for some stuff, like texture size and 32bit color), if only to see its reputed FSAA quality in action.

Yes, I know I'm stubborn, and may even be acting like an idiot by not upgrading, but if (and when) I do decide to get a newer card that's actually made by a still-existing company, I'd probably go for ATi, if only because they're not nVidia. :P

Oh, and besides, if I didn't keep carrying the 3Dfx fanboy torch around here, there'd be nobody to argue with about things like this! :roll:
 
On a slightly related note.

I was thinking of buying an ATI card, but I have decided to boycott the company because of poor business pratices. (Actully, I boycott other companies too. The other two are Disney and Microsoft)

ATI is on my sh*tlist cause they have a baltent disreguard for non-disclosure agreements.

A few days ago a leaked alpha of Doom3 was released. ATI was the ones who leaked it, but it doen't stop there...
Afew weeks ago ID software revieved a development laptop from ATI where they forgot to erase an alpha of the next unreal that's coming out. The guys at ID erased the disk, but that's not something you should be giving away. Espically to rival software houses

As a programmer, this is a very nasty thing to do. It's Nvidia for me.
 
Well, at 11mb I can't be arsed to download it unless I'm willing to stay online for more than an hour. What can I expect from my system:
Athlon XP 1700+
512mb DRR
GeForce 2 Pro @ 250mhz core & 490mhz 64mb DDR

Suddenly I realise how many people have better computers than me and think to myself "Oh shit, I need more money."

EDIT: ::Prays to the 3dfx Interactive gods:: Please, just one more...
 
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