FFXIII?

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As much as I want a FF7 remake - I wouldn't want one made by these jokers.
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Let's make that a sticky.

you gotta be kidding me
is this sh*t never gonna end
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Nope 'cause they are making money.  If you think this forum is bad, I suggest you go onto a few general game forums where they are currently lapping it up like the moronic sheep they are.

Case in point:

by Aeolus Friday, September 09, 2011 at 09:17 PM
First let us see how XIII-2 turns out. Though for me, XIII-2 is already looking like a win in my book. So I'm sure I won't mind XIII-3 if and when it comes out, lol.
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@Hian - Nice objective critiques there.  I utilize the "Good for an RPG, Shit for an FF" system of rating too lol.

I do wonder though...why don't more people rank FFV and FFT higher?  I know V's story wasn't spetacular and the characters were pretty much just there, but I think it was the first time in the series where you could actually make a character the way you wanted a character to be.  The previous games were like "Here's your monk, here's your knight, and here's your white mage - have fun!" or "Choose a pure class for this blank character - have fun!"  FFV instead gave you the option to say "Here are four characters, you can make them proficient in whatever you like and by the way, you can give them a secondary set of abilities!"  Same with Tactics.  It allowed for the practical Summoner with White Magic ability or the absurd Thief with Black Magic ability if you so chose.  AND in each of these games there are classes available that I don't really recall seeing in any other FFs like the Trainers and Geomancers.  Capturing enemies and unleashing them for damage and status ailments?  Awesome!  Enticing an enemy creature to join your party?  Even better!  Poisoning bitches when you attack while standing on grass or petrifying them when your standing on stone?  Sweet!

Is it because fewer people have played through these games (as opposed to FFVII and FFX)?

I think this is cool
 
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While it's here I might as well post some stuff about XIII-2:

Returning characters:
Lightning
Serah
Snow (Gone missing, Serah finds his necklace)
Hope (Seen in latest trailer, saves Serah and Noel from a monster)
Vanille (Voice actress confirmed her return)
Fang and Sazh are to return, but there's been nothing shown yet.

Random battles return, as do towns and NPCs. Some battles can be seen on the map like in the original.

Reaction commands appear in the battles, similar to KH2.

There is a time travel system which will unlock multiple endings. Depending on your choices, your ending changes.
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Do you have a source for Fang returning? Because she was my favourite character. I've been following her English VA (Rachel Robinson) on Facebook and she's said she hasn't recorded anything, and Vanille's VA confirmed that recording had ended. Either Rachel is being very coy about her NDA or she's not in it, which would be a shame.
 
Nope 'cause they are making money.  If you think this forum is bad, I suggest you go onto a few general game forums where they are currently lapping it up like the moronic sheep they are.
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I was specifically talking about the whole "make 20 FF13 games" thing. I'd rather have SQX go bankrupt than continue releasing crap
and while they make money off ff13, I heard they're not writing very good numbers and partially also red numbers.
 
Do you have a source for Fang returning? Because she was my favourite character. I've been following her English VA (Rachel Robinson) on Facebook and she's said she hasn't recorded anything, and Vanille's VA confirmed that recording had ended. Either Rachel is being very coy about her NDA or she's not in it, which would be a shame.
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It was announced during the conference when the game was revealed. They said "The old characters from the Original Final Fantasy XIII will be returning, with important and unexpected changes"

They weren't supposed to say anything about Vanille and Fang, but Vanille's VA let it slip. Or it could be that Fang's lines just haven't been recorded yet.
 
I was specifically talking about the whole "make 20 FF13 games" thing. I'd rather have SQX go bankrupt than continue releasing crap
and while they make money off ff13, I heard they're not writing very good numbers and partially also red numbers.
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Yup and that is what I mean, they are obviously making profit or they wouldn't do it.  How many people will buy FFXIII-2?  I'd say a lot even though it is sure to have a ridiculous story (even more ridiculous than XIII) and be a cash in.

I have also noticed a trend....  up to FF9 (in terms of year released, because even the old FF's have been redone and gone bananas)) we had a reasonable FF logo...  then for FFX the age of graphics came upon us, and the logos started getting more and more ridiculous.  Because Biggerer is betterer....

Observe:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/...edgefox/Final Fantasy/Final_Fantasy_Logos.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/30/Final_Fantasy_Type-0_logo.jpg

and now FFXIII:  http://www.ffxiii.com/images/logo.jpg

And ffxiii-2  http://www.finalfantasy13-2game.com/images/FFXIII2_logo.jpg

I can look at http://www.finalfantasy13-2game.com/images/FFXIII2_logo.jpg

and already tell it is going to be a sh*tty cash in (reminds me of http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/8/83/FFX-2logo.jpg ).  As we say in Britain... Look at the STATE of it.
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Final Fantasy Versus XIII  is an upcoming action role-playing game published by Square Enix for the PlayStation and currently being developed by the company's 1st Production Department alongside Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIII-2, and Final Fantasy Type-0.

<  Quantity not quality these days.
 
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For FFXIII i would mostly agree with all that DLPB said. I didn't feel the thrill of it all. I only played it till the end just hoping that maybe the boss will be awesome :P. FFXII was ok, although the summons felt a little weird though. I can say that FFX-2 was a little bit meeh. It surely had a good storyline. It had a heck of a difficulty. Alternative ending,secret things etc was really cool. I hated the 'i will only play with 3 girls that run under the snow and the sun with only their underwear and maybe a piece of cloth here and there. FFX was nice. FFIX was even better. FFVIII was kinda nice. It's plot definetly had me hanging on the screen. FFVII... no need to comment it really. The fact that they made FFVII-CRISIS CORE,FFVII-BEFORE CRISIS,FFVII-ADVENT CHILDREN, FFVII-ADVENT CHILDREN COMPLETE,FFVII-DoC and left a hint of maybe another sequel. just says everything about it :P. I don't recall a lot of things about FFVI and before. (Oh and dissidia is really cool :P ). The only way for Square-enix to repent for it's sins is to make FFversus XIII the most epic of the fabula nova crystalis. I mean i've been waiting and hanging on any info and video available for 5 years+. They'are really testing my patience by postponing it again and again and again. I will wait sometime patiently and wait to be impressed by it and hope that all this time won't be wasted...
 
To be honest, I've pretty much given up on future titles being anything near as epic in the same ways as previous titles. I really think it's due to staff changing (Sakaguchi) and changing the way they're structured as a business (merger with Enix). I still think their titles are polished to the nth degree, but there are too many arms to the company now, and holding on to what Final Fantasy titles previously were is only going to result in disappointment with future games.

I've decided I don't care. I liked FFXIII for what it was. Yeah, I was incredibly disappointed, but that's because I was expecting it to be like all FF titles USED to be. Like I expected XII to be what FF used to be. I need to let go of that, and embrace the new games with an open mind. XIII had some really interesting character development and plot elements, though bits of it were stupid.

The bottom line for me is - regardless of whether or not it was a good "Final Fantasy game" it's still one of my favourites of this generation. There just isn't anything else like it. And I WILL be buying XIII-2, because it's worth it to find out what happens to Fang and Vanille.
 
Ff13 may feel like its different ff game but for me i really loved it i cant believe DPLB is saying its a piece of sh** while you havnt played it yourself and observing it from videos? I agree when i saw the vids i thought this game would be crap but after i got my hands on it i was kinda impressed btw ff10 rocks!!
 
I don't suppose actually holding the joypad is going to make much difference to the games contents or does it use some sort of DNA system on the joypad where it changes dependent on if a human is actually playing?  Reviews , videos and actually watching people first hand on it cannot lie.

What is more, the reason review sites are there is to show you if you want to BUY the game.  I don't. The clever person is the person who does not buy the game after realising he will not like it, rather than buys it and then has to sell it on after being robbed.

The story and gameplay are as plain on youtube as they are when playing it.  I don't like a 3 mile gauntlet with retarded characters and cutscenes at every checkpoint.
 
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...I don't like a 3 mile gauntlet with retarded characters and cutscenes at every checkpoint.
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Careful, these are some of the same reasons I might cite if I were explaining why I found FFX to be a sub-par FF.  No need to defend X or attempt to convince me its awesome.  I think it is good, just not great and I think XIII sucks also - just don't get too confident in your opinions.
 
X was not a literal gauntlet with CGI cutscenes at checkpoints.  You had space, you could go places and veer off course and more importantly, you could go back and later in the game there were hidden things to get.  XIII really was a literal gauntlet.
 
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There are better rpgs out there nowadays than FF. I have long given up on those. If I want a good RPG I play Xenoblade nowadays. I hope they turn that into a series.
 
Imo some people take the FF evolution a bit too personal. I'm not trying to act like a paragon saying this, but I stopped caring after FFIX.

I say: let people enjoy it if they want. It's not hurting me or anyone I know.
The previous generation is always gonna say what the next generation watch or listen to is crap anyway. The latest decades, In western society, many kids are formed by the pop culture of their time (really sad if you ask me). Kids listening to awful music, playing crappy games, watching sh*tty movies are a result of this, pop, sell out, money making industry. It's become more money loving that's for sure. Quantity in money outweighs quality in products.

Corporations, bands, or whatever, making it big in the market are prone to sell out at some point. When/if they do, and you don't like it, be glad they made something you liked in the first place. They weren't obliged to. Sure, it's sad they caved in and sold out, I agree, but I don't understand the hate it spawns in most cases. Spreading hate wont change the industry. Even if it did, somewhere down the line someone else will sell out again.
 
I agree with gjoerulv. The older generations are always going to say that the newer generations games/music/movies/clothing/etc. are shit. It's a cycle, it won't ever stop.

And you know what I hate? I hate people (mostly my generation, maybe a little older) who repeatedly say Ocarina of Time and Final Fantasy VII are the best games of all time. Those games were made over 10 years ago, I think it's time to move on. And it's like they think those games didn't have any flaws. They weren't perfect, they had their flaws. Have you seen the N64 controller? That's a huge flaw right there. The controller layout was horrendous. In my honest opinion, Ocarina of Time was shit. I never liked it (Link to the Past was far superior but you never hear about that). FFVII isn't aging too well for me either. I'm not saying it was bad. It was a good game but people need to stop acting like it was perfect. It was far from perfect. I preferred FFVI over FFVII. But I also preferred FFXII over FFVI.

I keep hearing that people don't like FFXIII because it's different. So what? Games change. If games didn't change, we would still be playing Pitfall and Asteroids. Some change for the better (Fallout, Metroid) while some change for the worse (Legend of Zelda, Devil May Cry). Get over it.

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Games do change, but they sometimes change for the better or worse (Last Story is infinitely better than 13).  Accepting FF13 means you deserve FF14 being crap.  And you deserve the 100 spin off cash ins.

If you didn't buy it they wouldn't keep churning it out.  The only ones laughing are Enix.  It isn't fair to draw a line under games 10 years ago and make a ridiculous excuse that "Today is different so the games are different"

If you bought a monitor in 2005 and 10 years later the LCD had gone to CRT, are you telling me you would embrace and welcome it as different and change?  No you'd say we had gone backward.  What makes a game series different?  I would wager it is nostalgia clouding your judgment.

Change for the worse is not innovation or clever.
 
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The idea that it's "change for the worse" is your opinion, not solid fact. Please try to bear that in mind to avoid people (justifiably) getting their backs up. Some people liked it, some people didn't. The fact is, the game is not a big piece of shit. It has plenty of positive aspects and a large number of people enjoyed it. The game is just completely overshadowed by superior entries in the series - and for good reason. They were totally epic.
 
Change for the worse is not innovation or clever.
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I can't see why anyone would disagree with this. Sometimes you step in the wrong direction. But if you don't try to walk forward you'll stay at the same spot. I think they did a (somewhat) honest attempt on creating something unique with 13. I can hardly imagine every single detail in the game was designed to earn cash, whit the developers evil grind $$ eyes overshadowing. Arguing with established fact to prove something that's ultimately opinion based doesn't serve one's case, no matter how "right" the view is.

Last story... Hmmm... Too bad I don't owe a wii. I'm not very impressed with Sakaguchi's work after he quit squeeny (FF10 included), so I'm not too exited. Uematsu still got it though. The Lost Odyssey soundtrack is godlike.
 
The problem is it has been stepping backwards since FFX-2.

It has been 1 spin off after another, taking control way from the player, too many graphics and too little gameplay, poorer stories.  There is a reason it fell apart after X but it continues because people continue to accept it.

That is where my gripe is at. If FF13 was the first FF that reduced gameplay to second fiddle I would say "well it is 1 mistake"  but there is a deliberate trend towards churning out games as fast as possible because they know they will sell.  The series has become a victim of its own success.

Final Fantasy XIII-3?  Well you couldn't make it up.
 
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