Final Fantasy VII Play as the Shinra Project.

[mr_nygren]

I like your imagination in model making. When it came to making a dress I'd have been completely stumped.

Why don't you try adding in Elena or maybe even Cisne to replace Tifa.

I'd try to keep cloud uain a sword and have Rufus use his gun still. Its just a case of renaming the animations so they are loaded in a swapped way.

Thanks man .

Cisne? Elena is planned, but i don't know what is best? Use Grimmy's battleemodel with her own animations and victory pose - but the minus is the limit breaks get glitched.. Or i could do my own thing and the limit breaks will work - but she will move like Tifa. That would be like in the "Turks"-mod but better.

I would like the limits on one hand, but on the other it's cool with her own moves in other areas.

I will try to switch out animations etc but i have my suspicions it will cause the commands to go crazy.

 

[mr_nygren]

If your download contains the source which it probably does I'll take a look when I have time. I have a lot of knowledge in models and stuff so I may be able to help

My download contains all the files with Rufus Shinra or his "mother" - who is basically Clouds mother with new color on her hair.

I did include all the battle-models including the one of Rufus in battle from Grimmys minimod. I guess one would have to modify the ab-file somehow - and the commands were already in order in the psx-mod. But what program do one use to get the files from the PSX-version? Are those files named in the same manner? I have no clue as to how the PSX-stuff works.

 

[Tsuna]

Yeah cisne is a female turn in crisis core. I don't know where she went but if there's a lack of characters Shea a good stand in

 

[Zara9]

great job on this mod

i might try it out 1 day

 

[Kaldarasha]

Yeah cisne is a female turn in crisis core. I don't know where she went but if there's a lack of characters Shea a good stand in

Ilfana would be closer.

 

[mr_nygren]

Yeah cisne is a female turn in crisis core. I don't know where she went but if there's a lack of characters Shea a good stand in

I see - i never played Crisis Core or Dissidia/Dicidia duo 12 to the end. But i usually avoid all that extra stuff from Dirge of Cerberus (sucks), Crisis Core (a good game, but the story is not very exciting) and Advent Children (never liked the style change, as i kinda like the anime-style of the original).

I agree with Kaldarasha that Ifalna would be the better choice. However i think i have enough characters even though i may take different ones if i could understand how to edit and apply command-changes to the AB-file. As far as i understand the Shinra battlemodels Grimmy made out of the PSX-mod has different AB-files compared to how they were originally - as the guy who made the psx-mod had changed the order of how the ai will handle the animations for NPC-characters.

Basically this means one could use any NPC if one was able to open up the AB-file and add these changes to it - but it needs to be done to all the characters one wants to use i imagine. The problem is Notepad++ doesn't work as the file is too big. Any ideas as to how one could open and edit it would be great - then i will most likely replace Barret with Dyne.

 

[mr_nygren]

great job on this mod

i might try it out 1 day

Thank you.

Did you try out the first Scarlet release? I remember you wrote back in the summer of 2015.

 

[Tsuna]

Okay so my easiest solution. So example Cloud Rufus switch
Not sure of the names so i'm just got random them.
Open the folders side by side


Folder 1                                     Folder 2

Cloud files                                  Rufus files

aaaa                                          faaa
aaab                                          faab
aaac                                          faac
aaad                                          faad
aaae                                          faae


These 2 models have the same number of bones so animations won't need to be altered whatsoever.
All you gotta do is rename the files so you have basically switched them.
Just leave any .a files as is for the char folder.
And for battle leave "aada" and "fada" as they are.
These are the anims for battle.

Any battle file ending in da is the animations.
No model editing is necessary at all. It's actually really simple

 

[mr_nygren]

Okay so my easiest solution. So example Cloud Rufus switch
Not sure of the names so i'm just got random them.
Open the folders side by side


Folder 1                                     Folder 2

Cloud files                                  Rufus files

aaaa                                          faaa
aaab                                          faab
aaac                                          faac
aaad                                          faad
aaae                                          faae


These 2 models have the same number of bones so animations won't need to be altered whatsoever.
All you gotta do is rename the files so you have basically switched them.
Just leave any .a files as is for the char folder.
And for battle leave "aada" and "fada" as they are.
These are the anims for battle.

Any battle file ending in da is the animations.
No model editing is necessary at all. It's actually really simple

And this would give Cloud Rufus battle-animations? Without them being odd.. Like him doing attack when clicking items and potion?

I believe it's more complex as this is basically what i did to the char and battle-models. It's just Grimmy did something to the animation file of Rufus and the others - without that they would not use the right animation for various commands..

I think what you are suggesting me to do would just give me Rufus with Clouds battle-animations.

Fortunately Grimmy had made Rufus - but i would like to be able to add real animations myself for anyone.

Edit: Basically i just want to know how to open up the AB-file in order to edit it. The rest i have already done many times - but i want enemies with the enemy-animations. And it doesn't work to just swap them.. The order of animations is not correct and the animation-file needs to be edited.

But i don't know how Grimmy edited that file.

 

[Kaldarasha]

Look at the wiki if you want to change the battle animation. There are some information about them. If I remember right **ab contains the pointer where to find the animations and **da contains the 'normal' battle animations while the limt animations are stored in the magic.lgp
So far we have no tool to edit the **ab files. Though you can use a hex editor to modify them.

 

[mr_nygren]

Look at the wiki if you want to change the battle animation. There are some information about them. If I remember right **ab contains the pointer where to find the animations and **da contains the 'normal' battle animations while the limt animations are stored in the magic.lgp
So far we have no tool to edit the **ab files. Though you can use a hex editor to modify them.

Yes, what Grimmy did was modify the **AB-file to make the game load the right enemy animations in the right order. If that file isn't modified they will be out of order.  The guy who created the PSX-mod had already done the groundwork - so one would just need to open up the file and add the same changes to it as made on the other characters. At least that is what i have understood.

I have no knowledge about hex-editing though but would it be easy to copy/paste the stuff already included in one ''AB-file to another?

All the enemy animations are the same i would guess. If i could like open up the Rufus **ab-file and copy/paste the coding from there to let's say Dyne's **AB-file? That may or may not give Dyne the proper commands when using his model with his animations also - or anyone else.

 

[Grimmy]

To correct the limit animations you need to make a kernel.bin like the one jeet had in his psx mod. Then all the limit animations will work properly. I couldn't include the kernel in my party swap mod because the kernel loads into memory only once when the game starts and then it cannot be swapped. Yes you have to hex edit the ab files(just copying and pasting won't work every ab file is unique), but that isn't how a new animation would be created. That is how you assign already existing animations to an action. So Jeet had to assign animations to actions that didn't always match because no animation existed.

After thinking about it if you will tell me which shinra characters you want to replace which hero characters I will make you a set in that order with a matching kernel.bin. I'll pretty much only have to rewrite elena's AB file and make the new kernel to fix the limit animations.

 

[mr_nygren]

To correct the limit animations you need to make a kernel.bin like the one jeet had in his psx mod. Then all the limit animations will work properly. I couldn't include the kernel in my party swap mod because the kernel loads into memory only once when the game starts and then it cannot be swapped. Yes you have to hex edit the ab files(just copying and pasting won't work every ab file is unique), but that isn't how a new animation would be created. That is how you assign already existing animations to an action. So Jeet had to assign animations to actions that didn't always match because no animation existed.

After thinking about it if you will tell me which shinra characters you want to replace which hero characters I will make you a set in that order with a matching kernel.bin. I'll pretty much only have to rewrite elena's AB file and make the new kernel to fix the limit animations.

I see, i am a total noob when it comes to the kernel.bin and hex-editing though. But am quite good with the Kimera program as well as the game itself =).

Okay thanks, that would be great if you could help me out by doing that! .

I think the following:

Barret - Dyne

Vincent - Sephiroth

Cloud - Rufus (Done - but not sure about limit breaks).

Aerith - Scarlet (Done - but i saw you managed to also use the NPC field model with all it's animations and bones intact? How did you manage that?)

Tifa - Elena

The rest of the characters you are using used by those you replaced them with - Palmer, Hojo, Reno and Rude.

Red XII - Dark Nation (Done).

Not sure about Tseng, i could possibly use both Dyne and Tseng in a submod and let people chose which ones to use.

Finally i wanted those Jemnezmy animations (sexy female villain) in order - possibly one could use that model for Jenova? In the PSX-mod it's already done in that way.

But how did you manage to make field models use all their bones etc? Is it a similar process? Thanks for your help as it will help me to finish a Shinra Mod. I may add Tseng and the Jemnezmy/Jenova as alternatives.

Tifa - Jemnezmy/Jenova.

By the way, would it be possible to also give Rufus-Cloud etc their animations? So that enemy NPC Cloud is using the sword and not a gun?

 

[Grimmy]

Sure. Give me some time and I'll get you a nice set of shinra battle models. After that I will look into the heroes as enemies with hero animations. I think Jeet did a hero Jemnezmy.

-To use the original enemy field models with animations you have to edit the flevel to replace the hrc files of the original party with the enemy hrc files and then edit the enemy animations list to have enough animations. Not enough animation will cause a soft lock, but since your mod is a full replacement you should just swap models. I only had to edit about 20 fields of the flevel and it takes along time to test every model and animation.

 

[mr_nygren]

Sure. Give me some time and I'll get you a nice set of shinra battle models. After that I will look into the heroes as enemies with hero animations. I think Jeet did a hero Jemnezmy.

-To use the original enemy field models with animations you have to edit the flevel to replace the hrc files of the original party with the enemy hrc files and then edit the enemy animations list to have enough animations. Not enough animation will cause a soft lock, but since your mod is a full replacement you should just swap models. I only had to edit about 20 fields of the flevel and it takes along time to test every model and animation.

Sure. Just write here or PM me when it's done and i'll be sure to check in regularly. Gonna finish this mod whenever the battle-models are ready =). It will make the experience that much better with the real animations of the characters in battle.

Yes - but i think Jeet turned Aerith into Jemnezmy. I would prefer Tifa as otherwise Scarlet would be cut.

It seems very complex and time consuming making the field model compatible in that way in all the games fields. So yes you are right - i'll be doing the field models the same way i did with my Scarlet-character. Not sure about adding animations for all of them though as that is very time consuming adding them in frame by frame.

 

[Grimmy]

I'm getting started on this, but want to make sure you are happy with these. I'm going to do

Dyne as Barret
Rufus as Cloud
Elena as Tifa
Dark Nation as Red XIII
Palmer as Cid
Reno as Yuffie
Rude as Cait Sith
Seph as Vincent

Including your Scarlet as Aeris that is a full set and cuts out Hojo, Tseng and Jenova. The only way to include more than the nine would be to do party swapping using 7H's variable swapping mechanic. In my personal mod I have 27 playable characters, 5 playable guest characters and 9 limit transformations, so having more characters is just a matter of flevel scripting and 7H modding. Regardless of that I'm going to move forward with the above list. If you have any changes just let me know.

 

[Tsuna]

Just putting my 2 cents here but would Rude not make a better Tifa?

EDIT: Wait never mind, animations are changed too so it's fine.
         Dyne i don't think should be here though, he doesn't fit in.
         He hates Shinra, he wouldn't work with them.
         If animations don't matter because of switching Reno and Rude should be
         Barret and Tifa as they are your starting gang.

 

[mr_nygren]

I'm getting started on this, but want to make sure you are happy with these. I'm going to do

Dyne as Barret
Rufus as Cloud
Elena as Tifa
Dark Nation as Red XIII
Palmer as Cid
Reno as Yuffie
Rude as Cait Sith
Seph as Vincent

Including your Scarlet as Aeris that is a full set and cuts out Hojo, Tseng and Jenova. The only way to include more than the nine would be to do party swapping using 7H's variable swapping mechanic. In my personal mod I have 27 playable characters, 5 playable guest characters and 9 limit transformations, so having more characters is just a matter of flevel scripting and 7H modding. Regardless of that I'm going to move forward with the above list. If you have any changes just let me know. 

Hello, sorry for not being active for a day or so - i gladly switch out Rude for Hojo though. Palmer would probably work better as replacement for Cait Sith (fat and all that).

So basically Palmer - caith Sith.

Hojo - Cid

That i think would fit better as Hojo is a scientist and maybe a "rocket scientist".

I gladly have the animation files for the others though - especially that Jemnezmy unit.

But otherwise i think those will do =).

 

[mr_nygren]

Just putting my 2 cents here but would Rude not make a better Tifa?

EDIT: Wait never mind, animations are changed too so it's fine.
         Dyne i don't think should be here though, he doesn't fit in.
         He hates Shinra, he wouldn't work with them.
         If animations don't matter because of switching Reno and Rude should be
         Barret and Tifa as they are your starting gang.

Just putting my 2 cents here but would Rude not make a better Tifa?

EDIT: Wait never mind, animations are changed too so it's fine.
         Dyne i don't think should be here though, he doesn't fit in.
         He hates Shinra, he wouldn't work with them.
         If animations don't matter because of switching Reno and Rude should be
         Barret and Tifa as they are your starting gang.

You are quite right if it was only about the Shinra/Turks - but i make some exceptions for bad-ass enemies like Sephiroth and Dyne.

Sephiroth shouldn't be a Shinra-character neither -  at least not in this timeline. Plus their stories are swaped with Clouds and team. I am not gonna create a new story and change all the text in the game. Therefore Dyne is basically Barret and Barret will be Dyne who hates the Shinra. The Shinra will basically be Avalance.

Truth be told i mostly want Dyne because i always wanted to play as Dyne. I think the Corel Prison part of the game is one of the best - and the music there always was good to my ears. Dyne's character was always sad but in a understandable way. Victim turned terrorist against the evil Shinra.

Yes, he won't fit in the company of the others based on his original story - but as Barret will be Dyne in the story i think it's fine. The mod is not about the story of these characters - it's about playing as them instead of Cloud etc.

 

[Tsuna]

Well one day when you ot this all worked out i could very well help you advance this to make an actual new story. It's something i've wanted to do for some time now.

The 1 thing that i know of that cannot be changed are limits. So in that case if Hojo is going to be in the party then make him vincent. His limit to transform suits Hojo perfectly