final verdict on ff13 and other games?

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Well the answer to that is clear.  You simply keep with decent graphics but not overthetop and you direct the effort to story and gameplay.  They had people working on 1 rock for 3 days.  That isn't a good use of time or money.
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problem with that is its not economically viable because they wont get the monetary return they need to make a next game... with the way games get more and more realistic or complex people want to see graphical improvements in every installment...expecialy if there playing it on a new system.  what were seeing is like the darwin effect...as some things improve ...others will die out...if we want quality, sooner than later the number of total games produced will vastly drop...
 
Well the answer to that is clear.  You simply keep with decent graphics but not overthetop and you direct the effort to story and gameplay.  They had people working on 1 rock for 3 days.  That isn't a good use of time or money.
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problem with that is its not economically viable because they wont get the monetary return they need to make a next game... with the way games get more and more realistic or complex people want to see graphical improvements in every installment...expecialy if there playing it on a new system.  what were seeing is like the darwin effect...as some things improve ...others will die out...if we want quality, sooner than later the number of total games produced will vastly drop...
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I'd say we're seeing a different Darwin effect (I just re-read what you said and it seems that I might have misinterpreted you)

I'd say we're definitely seeing some kind of Darwin effect; we're in an environment in which graphics are valued more than gameplay and developers have adapted to this. It's survival of the fittest, and fitness is determined by pixels; developers that waste their time on insignificant things like gameplay will die out.

Developers aren't the only ones to blame for this. The whole video game industry has the attitude that better graphics equal a better game. When there are console wars between fans, what do the fans argue over? Which console has the best graphics! When a multi-platform game comes out, the fanboys zoom in on the pixels to decide which version to play. When two big-name games from a similar genre are competing, the supporters of the one that looks prettier will point to the graphical differences as evidence of their game's superiority, and the critics will write paragraph after paragraph on how they look when comparing them. Interestingly, even though fans and critics seem to know that graphics aren't the measure of a game, they still contribute to the illusion that they are. Moreover, they make the graphics more important than gameplay because they make them a deciding factor in buying games and consoles. Developers and console makers know that if they want a game to sell, they'll have to focus on graphics first and gameplay second, and Squeenix know that a new FF game that is poorer than other RPGs (and other FFs) in terms of gameplay but richer in graphics will be less of a commercial and critical failure than a FF game that is richer than its rivals in terms of gameplay but poorer in terms of graphics.

Interestingly, this only applies to soi-disant "hardcore" gamers. "Casuals" seem to care a lot less about how a game looks; compare the sales of the DS and the Wii to sales of the PSP and PS360 and. It's ironic that the people who call themselves "real" "hardcore" gamers are so often the ones who care more about appearances, whereas the ones they deride are the ones who buy games according to whether they are fun to play. Looks like hardcore gamers are the cancer killing video games. The very people who complain that graphics don't make a game are the ones who are looking at graphics first when deciding what games or consoles to buy and are the ones that are making graphics more important than gameplay.
 
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I think the reason of why since after FFX the reason the story aint so good anymore is because they are pretty much lost their way. What their "old fanbase" wants. So instead of a great story/gameplay they give us "eye-candy"  8)

What they need to do. Is go back all the way, to how they did in FF6-FF7. And start priortizing what should be most important. Story-gameplay-"eye-candy" If they manage to do that in Final Fantasy XIII Versus. Then its gonna be the best FF ever done since ff7  :o
 
I think the reason of why since after FFX the reason the story aint so good anymore is because they are pretty much lost their way. What their "old fanbase" wants. So instead of a great story/gameplay they give us "eye-candy"  8)

What they need to do. Is go back all the way, to how they did in FF6-FF7. And start priortizing what should be most important. Story-gameplay-"eye-candy" If they manage to do that in Final Fantasy XIII Versus. Then its gonna be the best FF ever done since ff7  :o
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It may well be the best, but it will be a critical and commercial failure because, even though they won't admit it, most people do judge games mainly by their graphics. If a hyped game for the PS3 came out today looking like FF7, it would be laughed at mercilessly and lambasted by everyone, even if it were the best game ever.

That, and Squeenix have no reason to do so. As was said in Seifer's post (although I'm not sure whether his post was his own words or whether it was a quote from someone else), it will sell because it's called Final Fantasy; why should Squeenix bother making a game with a great story and addictive gameplay when it will sell regardless, as long as the graphics are good? I doubt they care about fans not liking the game if they still buy it on release day.
 
I think the reason of why since after FFX the reason the story aint so good anymore is because they are pretty much lost their way. What their "old fanbase" wants. So instead of a great story/gameplay they give us "eye-candy"  8)

What they need to do. Is go back all the way, to how they did in FF6-FF7. And start priortizing what should be most important. Story-gameplay-"eye-candy" If they manage to do that in Final Fantasy XIII Versus. Then its gonna be the best FF ever done since ff7  :o
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It may well be the best, but it will be a critical and commercial failure because, even though they won't admit it, most people do judge games mainly by their graphics. If a hyped game for the PS3 came out today looking like FF7, it would be laughed at mercilessly and lambasted by everyone, even if it were the best game ever.
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your case and point is well illustrated by "Sacred 2 Fallen angel"..great game...yet bad graphically... ended up floping on the reveiws and in stores
 
Then they must find a "Balance" to what they want for a game and especially what the fan base wants. Yes most ppl buy a ff game either way even its bad as hell. FF12 anyone? If they find the balance between graphics and great story like in ff7-FFX. The sales will go even more up. And in longterm it will be better for them. But if they just dont care/lazy.

I dont see how FF will be at in 10 years from now.
 
Where Final Fantasy will be ten years from now? Who knows. Now, I think it'll still be alive. I can't actually believe it's made it this far already. As has been said though, that's due to people accepting the falling standards of story and gameplay. There's really nothing that can be done about that.
 
well i think you should get ff13 tbh people judge it before playing it i was sitting round my friends house watching him play for about 2 hours after that i thought it sucked butwhen you actually play it its alright i wouldnt say its the best final fantasy made but its quite a good game rating from me is 9/10 for it but yes get it FAST! :DD but i can just bet alot of people will disagree with me lol (only ruined feature are the summons).
 
I have it, I've completed it, I enjoyed it, I didn't love it. It was OK, sub-par compared to the rest in my opinion. Better than 12 at least.
 
I have it, I've completed it, I enjoyed it, I didn't love it. It was OK, sub-par compared to the rest in my opinion. Better than 12 at least.
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everythings better then twelve (why the hell did it look like vaan was always crying, even when he wasn't)
 
Stopped playing FF13 out of boredom might go back to finish it I hate the lack of control and what's with the weapon upgrades??
I have put FF7 on my PC + mods and it plays better with it's involvement in the storyline and customization...i played it years ago on psx and got stuck on 40 hours and forgot where i was. :P
FF12 drags a little and i took a rest of 6 months LOL and went back to finish it with all chars at 90+ @ 90 hours of playing if i remember but i enjoyed it's scale and had more to offer than 13 so far, 10 was my first FF and great.
I've yet to try 8 & 9.
You need fighting mechanics like 7 or 10 with the scale of 12 and a kick ass story with proper character building.

Someone tell me FF13 gets better please.....!!!!
 
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ok guys, so this is what i'll be getting this friday (my birthday) i'll list everything, not just games

Dragon Age: origins
Alien Vs. Predator
new headset for audio recording
5 roles of summersausage
and i think im gonna have my xbox pimped out :P
 
You're probably have a long time playing Dragon Age Origins but its summer in your country right??
 
You're probably have a long time playing Dragon Age Origins but its summer in your country right??
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almost, i got 2 months left before im done grade 11, so yeah, almost summer
 
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