gjoerulv's hardcore mod guides? FF VII

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Btw this is how serious I take this run:

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You see all those FF7 SAVE emails?

That's me sending myself the latest save in case something were to happen to my PC, and I'm gonna keep doing it because I'm paranoid about it :P
 
Lol, good to see you're still slugging it out; getting stuck can be a pain. That work schedule sounds fierce, though.
 
Indeed, I leveled up a few levels yesterday and I will level some more soon and give it another shot, I wanna past this Jenova already :(
 
It's Jenny Death no?

Have you tried all the damage reducing tricks?

Dragon Force + Sadness + MBarrier, and I think you should be pretty good. Remember that Dragon force can be stacked once, that is, use it twice on each character. Death Force should be in effect too to avoid death.
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Which Jenova are you stuck on?
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Second Jenova, one in the crater before we go through all of Cloud's memories.

It's Jenny Death no?

Have you tried all the damage reducing tricks?

Dragon Force + Sadness + MBarrier, and I think you should be pretty good. Remember that Dragon force can be stacked once, that is, use it twice on each character. Death Force should be in effect too to avoid death.
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I have DF, what I don't have is Death Force, not exactly sure where they spawn but since I leveled a few I'm gonna give it another shot, I'll be back later to tell what happened :)
 
I wish I could show you all how fast he wipes the floor with me.

1st turn: Death on Cloud and he's dead.

2nd turn: Red Light on Tifa and now she's confused and has Death Sentence on her.

3rd turn: Ignored every Dragon Force I cast on Barret hit him with Red Light over 1800 and he's dead.

Best thing of all, if I put Ribbons on my characters the Mbarrier spell gets neglected, but how am I gonna protect from the Confuse and Death Sentence?

I have Cloud with Added Effect + Mystify to protect, but still there isn't much I can do.
 
I don't know if you like strategies just handed to you, so for now I'll just ask questions that could help.

Do you know Jenny Death's (3rd Jenova btw) main type of damage?

Do you know what can cure Confusion?

Do you know how to prevent Death, other than Death Force?
 
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I don't know if you like strategies just handed to you, so for now I'll just ask questions that could help.

Do you know Jenny Death's (3rd Jenova btw) main type of damage?

Do you know what can cure Confusion?

Do you know how to prevent Death, other than Death Force?
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1) Not this one, I thought it was fire like it was in the main game but if it has one I haven't figured it out. Although he can't hit me with that Tropical Wind attack doesn't to hit anyone that has a fire-based immunity defense.

2) Physical attack, White Wind, Added Effect + Mystify on defense slot prevents it.

3) Nope :(

While browsing I saw that SegaChief has a video on youtube but I rather not see it :D

To be honest I feel like crap asking for help, feels like I'm cheating.
 
I just defeated her with a lvl 52ish party. I don't remember what level that's normal here but 52 sounds about right, no?

SPOILER alert, in case you want to solve this yourself.

My team: Coud, Vincent + Tifa. Why Vincent? You could replace him with a character with more HP, but his Natural Spr helps a lot.
Cloud front row, cause he had no long range. Vincent back, Tifa front.

Eq:
Cloud: Nail Bat, Gigas Armlet, Fury Ring
Vincent: Lariat, Wizard Bracelet, Peace Ring
Tifa: Dragon Claw, Bolt Armlet, Peace Ring

Materia:
Cloud: Anything goes that raises luck, speed and HP. NO magic or any materia that lowers Str.

Vincent:
Weapon: All+Restore, Magic Plus, Revive, Enemy Skill, MP Pluss (Magic Plus and MP Pluss aren't really needed though, you may want to replace MP Plus with Counter Attack for extra damage utput, IF you have one).
Defence: Elemental+Fire,All+Time,Added Effect+Destruct,HP Absorb+Comet.
(He has less than 3000 hp now).

Tifa:
Weapon: All+Barrier,Counter Attack,Long Range,HP Pluss,Enemy Skill
Defence: All+Restore,Elemental+Fire

Started the fight with Sadness on all with tranquillizers.

At the beginning of the fight I prioritized MBarrier and regen. Dragon Force twice on everyone to lower damage (of course, watch you hp, you don't' want anyone to die).
Then add Death Force on Cloud and Tifa as fast as possible. Make sure they don't miss.
The rest of the fight is simply a matter of keeping your HP, regen and mbarrier up. Both Tifa and Vincent can do this; no worries.

If you're unlucky and Jenny keep spamming successful death spells at the beginning, you might as well give up. It have happened to me too.

EDIT: btw, you can also cast Slow on Jenova.
 
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I remember you saying you don't have Death Force, Jon. That makes the Death Sentence effect on Red Light a major problem as Confusion has to be guarded against. I've got a few ideas that might help.

-) Cloud's Cross Slash can paralyse Jenova and on Wait ATB at the slowest speed this'd buy you a good few turns to get your team set up and put some damage down. Also, if Cloud can survive one Red Light hit it'll very likely fill his limit bar again (100% certainty if the Fury status sticks to him) so he can use it again to keep Jenova Paralysed in-between her attacks. If you can get the first turn and use Cross Slash, followed by Slow, then you'd have a major advantage going into the fight; it depends on Cloud's starting ATB.

-) The Slow status is the key to winning; she has 200 Speed so you have to slow her down. Haste on your team may or may not be a good idea. If it doesn't get you an extra turn then it just makes you more vulnerable to Death Sentence and Dual Drain.

-) Tifa's Powersoul will likely deal max damage if she is hit into Near-Death by Red Light and if it gives her the Death Sentence status. Combine that with Jenova's 2x weakness to physical attacks and some strength boosting equipment and/or the Berserk status and she'll probably be able to kill Jenova in about 18 hits, assuming it does 9999 damage. And then there's her limit break, of course, which can hit multiple times.

I think the key is being able to survive one hit from Red Light. That'd give you Cross Slash and a tonne of power to put down with a PowerSoul. The third character would be there to facilitate the other two and heal them up. If you level up until you have just enough HP to survive one blast from Red Light then I think those suggestions above could do the trick.
 
Yes paralyse works also.

The Griever enemy can be fought at the area where you have the icicles drop to to advance. Not where they drop from, but where they drop to (maybe also where they drop to; don't remember).

If you don't have tranquillizers you can steal them from Headbombers. The penguin like enemies.

Of course, I assume you can go back into the caves, which may not be the case. :P
 

Tifa (back)

  • Dragon Claw - Steal (Mug w/ Full LB), Enemy Skill, Long Range
  • Fire Armlet
  • Ribbon

Cloud (front)

  • Enhanced Sword - Barrier, Enemy Skill, Revive
  • Wizard Bracelet - Added Effect + Destruct (Prevents Death Touch)
  • Fire Ring

Barrett (back)

  • Micro Laser - Enemy Skill
  • Dragon Armlet - Elemental + Fire, All + Time
  • Ribbon

Defensively -  Everyone is heavily protected or absorbs Fire. Sadness on everyone. MBarrier on Cloud, who can Revive Tifa or Barrett on Death Touch. White Wind can cure Confusion on Cloud. Fill all the other materia slots with HP/MP Plus.

Offensively - Slow on Jenny. Haste on the group. Burn down Jenny's MP pool as fast as possible with Magic Hammer. She will eventually run out and be unable to cast. Spam melee until she dies.
 
Thanks for all the replies Gjoerulv, SegaChief and EQ2Alyza, I feel like crap because I read them, but no matter what I won't give up and I have a couple of saves that are a bit behind so I could go back in case theres something I might need that I don't have at the moment.

Gjoerulv: I kinda left behind the Nailbat and Fury ring, when I fell to the bottom of where the giant clock is on Temple Of The Ancients the dragons beat my ass real quick because everyone was on backrow and the damage they dealt was insane so I didn't bother with it. I saw the Fury Ring on Gonganga before I hit The City of Ancients and I thought to myself "I probably won't need it" and I didn't got it :( I'm gonna level up the Destruct materia so I can capitalize on the Added Effect combo :)

SegaChief: True I don't have Death Force but I may backtrack to see if I can catch those jokers that do it by casting reflect on them like Gjoerulv said not long ago. I thought the paralize effect didn't work on Jenova's but if it does I'm gonna use it :) and I will use Slow on her, I don't know how I didn't thought of that before and the ATB is on active because I thought it would be kinda newbish to have it on Wait but I'm desperate so I'll probably gonna change it :)

EQ2Alyza: That Magic Hammer strategy is what I did to the bastards that you have to fight when you pick up Kujata, didn't thought it might help with this but another one I'm gonna apply when I challenge her again, I'm not sure I should use haste on team since its like a double edge sword, but since she's weak to physical attacks I might.

I'm not sure when I'm gonna game again I gotta do a few things but by Sunday I will report again to what has happened. I'm gonna search for a program so I can record the battle so I can share it with you all, if you know a good program feel free to let me know :)
 
Hi Jon,

Good programs tend to cost money but if you run FF7 in a window then you might be able to use a program called Camstudio. It's not 100% stable but it's free and might do the trick. Otherwise, there's Fraps if you don't mind spending some money and have a multi-core PC (or a really, really good single-core PC).

And ATB Wait isn't really a newbish option; some fights are much easier with ATB Active because statuses can wear off much faster, like if the enemy uses Barrier, Shield, Regen, and Peerless or if you've been hit with Dual Drain. Picking your ATB is part of the strategy, I reckon.
 
I would use group Haste after she's run out of MP. At that point it benefits to kill her quicker.
 
...the dragons beat my ass real quick because everyone was on backrow and the damage they dealt was insane...
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Those dragons can easily be defeated by mini.

I'm not sure if I agree with the MP danage strategy. It may as well end up taker longer. She has almost 7000 mp. Even if you take the reverse absorb effect into account, you still need to deal roughly 4000 damage worth of damage. It's a safer bet, but defiantly much slower (I think).

With my setup I dealt at least 7-8000 on an average each turn; probably more as I got lucky with critical damage and counters. Cloud did about 5000 normal damage a turn; Tifa (by countering) about 1500 each turn.
 
Ok, this time I lasted a whole lot more time, even thought I might have her but she had her way one again due to Death Sentence.

I'm so close I can smell it, I feel dumb that I didn't knew Peace Ring protected from Confusion, but slowing her down brought a whole new life to the battle.

I'm so close yes I am.

I'm gonna level up a few stuff and I'm sure next time its gonna be my time.

Cloud 55
Barret 55
Tifa 47
 
Tried 2 times again, same fate, not to add that the stupid Tifa got confused and casted on Jenova Dragon Force.

I'm going on vacation soon, I'm gonna have to level up some materia and stuff when I get the chance, nothing else I can do, I won't give up, got over 20 hours on those saves.
 
I DID IT!!!! I FACKING DID IT BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh man! It took me 20 minutes to kill and even though I did it with ease this time I wasted too much time on the battle. For protection:

Cloud had Added Effect + Destruct and a Peace Ring.
Tifa had  Ribbon.
Barret had Ribbon.

How did it go? I started the battle with Cloud ready to do Cross-Slash, right after I paralyzed him, Tifa doing Dragon Force and Barret doing Mbarrier to help Cloud for the moment till we got everyone on enoughs DF'S. Cloud did Slow on him and that's were I knew I had the best chance but I still did something wrong.

I had Cloud using Mug the whole fight, since it was paired with Added Cut and I get 2 hits for it and the rest of the team watching health with White Wind and I hit him with a lot, A LOT of Magics Hammers but he never ran out of MP it seemed. I had major luck because most of his Death spells were towards Cloud who had protection from it, he hit Barret and Tifa with it but I was ready to rez and heal since he was slowed and had more chances to react before he did.

All I did was spam physical attacks, watch health and freeze him with Cross-Slash whenever I could, damn I'm satisfied I beat this son of a bitch.

Thanks to all of you guys who contributed with tips, couldn't have done it without your advice :) I feel like I beat the game LOL!

Now I'm gonna watch SegaChief's video on how he did it  ;D
 
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