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The hardest part of XII is staying awake through the overlong and tedious dungeons.
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Armorvil, didn't you remember that Kudi thinks the exact opposite of everything he says, which means that he found these games hard, too. And about any game, I don't have any strategy at all. Attack, heal when necessery, use limits/special skills when possible and hear the traditional victory fanfare. About VIII, like said earlier as a trolling, as opposing to the others FFs, increase diffuculty with level. I've actually beaten a No-Level Game and, without the card-morphing mobs part, it was easy and straight. Otherwise, as any game, once you've beaten it once without too much difficulty and you see someone having trouble, you laugh at him/her saying that this part is very easy. When I saw Kari "Essentia" Johnson beat the boss I've got stuck at (in both FFVI and FFIX) easier and faster than I did at another boss, for example, I was shocked. Also, when you beat a game easily, it's difficult for you to understand how the others can get stuck; I can't imagine anyone being stuck in FFVIII, for example, when it's possible somehow...
EDIT: Forgot to talk about FFXII. It's not hard gameplay-wise, but story-wise, as this world is far too big I got stuck at many places. Not really "hard" (with the need of grinding) but just enough.
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EDIT: Forgot to talk about FFXII. It's not hard gameplay-wise, but story-wise, as this world is far too big I got stuck at many places. Not really "hard" (with the need of grinding) but just enough.
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Kudistos Megistos
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That's a very intelligent comment.
And I think you'll find that I believe the exact opposite of almost everything I say. I'm not always being sarcastic. For example, I'm being honest when I say that 6, 9 and 10 are easy as fuck. 6 and 9 are the easiest games in the main series.
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Armorvil
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As soon as you combine All + Restore in FFVII, you can't lose. There are no enemies that need a specific strategy like the Wrexsoul battle, either. Enemies also barely use status effects against you (did one of your characters ever get turned to stone in FFVII ? No ?... ...That's what I thought), and dungeons have no puzzles at all (save the ancient forest). This means even less thinking in FFVII. Not only that, but there are also fewer random battles. And you can't say the materia system requires much brain power either, and there are so many overpowered abilities it's not funny *looks at E.Skills, Limits, and Summons*.
Also, FFVI, FFIX and FFX all have (especially FFIX and FFX) many enemies that can take more than half of a character's HP with a physical attack. In FFVII, there are the Weapons and maybe Lost Number - but that's all I can think of. My characters rarely got KO'ed in FFVII, but it happened more often in both FFIX and FFX.
For these reasons, you didn't convince me that FFVII is harder than FFVI, FFIX or FFX. And mentioning the fact that FFX's final boss is easy when you get the Celestial Weapons and/or power-level, is lame. Every FF is a cake-walk after power-leveling. It looks like you played a challenge of some kind in FFVII, and power-leveled in the others. You spammed summons in FFX ? Well, I spam limits & Beta in FFVII, so bosses don't last long, either.
Also, FFVI, FFIX and FFX all have (especially FFIX and FFX) many enemies that can take more than half of a character's HP with a physical attack. In FFVII, there are the Weapons and maybe Lost Number - but that's all I can think of. My characters rarely got KO'ed in FFVII, but it happened more often in both FFIX and FFX.
For these reasons, you didn't convince me that FFVII is harder than FFVI, FFIX or FFX. And mentioning the fact that FFX's final boss is easy when you get the Celestial Weapons and/or power-level, is lame. Every FF is a cake-walk after power-leveling. It looks like you played a challenge of some kind in FFVII, and power-leveled in the others. You spammed summons in FFX ? Well, I spam limits & Beta in FFVII, so bosses don't last long, either.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
That might be why you have trouble with FFX. Just sayin'.
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I don't recall having any problems with Wrexsoul. And akshully, there are quite a few enemies that can really ruin your day if you don't know what you're doing. Bottomswell is a good example; so is Carry Armor. It's a huge pain in the arse when enemies can take out characters instantly like that.
I also wonder whether you've forgotten about the Midgar Zolom and Master Tonberry. They can be quite devastating. Did you forget the Cave of the Gi, too? It's full of enemies that can really fuck you up, especially if you're running short on items (which is very common at that point in the game). Fortunately, there's a trick to beating them, but not all first-time players know that.
And don't get me started on enemies that use confuse. That's an incredibly common status attack in FF7 (are we talking about the same game). It's another thing that frequently turns routine battles into nightmares if you let your guard down. The worst thing of all is when one of your characters gets confused after getting on the receiving end of Supernova; it's a real kick in the balls.
It's all relative. The materia system requires far more thought than a lot of FF growth/equipment systems.
If I said that the ten times table is easier than the five times table, would your response be "that's not true because the five times table is really easy"?
Firstly, FF8.
Secondly, FF7's final boss is far harder to beat when you're at level 99 than when you're at level 50.
Thirdly, the amount of time and effort required to get a few of the nerfed abilities in FFX is not very great; it's much less than the time and effort needed to power level.
Quite the opposite. FF7 is the game where I tend to be the most over-levelled. Purely by accident, of course.
I'd like to know how you spammed limit breaks in FF7. Is there an "aura" materia that I don't know about? Maybe there's a "meltdown" materia too? ;D
Beta can't compare the Aeons in terms of nerfedness.
Oh, and there's something else I forgot about.
Yojimbo.
Yes, I'm aware that FF7 has an "instant win attack too, but it's incredibly hard to get and it requires using Cait Sith, so it surely doesn't count. Yojimbo is very reliable
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DarkFang
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VI has two instant death "spells", Joker Death and Joker Doom. One kills all enemies and the other kills all allies. They both ignore instant death immunity so it can basically kill anything. There's even a way to glitch Joker Doom so it works in the battle with Kefka. But you can only use it when you get Setzer.
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Raestloz
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I ragequit at the last dungeon when I see that it has no map whatsoever
Yes, I've played it for 89 hours (and with 9999 damage and invincibility cheat too! Imagine how long it would take if I don't use those), yes, I've defeated the last game, and yes, it's the final dungeon, but no map? Serious-f*cking-ly?
No, I'm not a cartographer, thanks. I've spent a lot of time mapping that mapless dungeon where you can get Danjuro, I'm NOT going to spend another time being a cartographer
The hardest was... well... that SNES Tiny Toons game, basically some kind of Olympics or something. Oh, the last difficulty...
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Armorvil
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You need to kill the right one of your 3 characters for Wrexsoul to be targetable, otherwise (without abusing bugs) it is invincible. In FFIX and FFX too, there are bosses that demand a few tricks to be taken down. There is none of that in FFVII. Besides, Bottomswell is a joke. I'll give you Carry Armor though, it must be the only storyline boss not to be completely helpless in FFVII.
Midgar Zolom, devastating ? In the beginning, when you're supposed to catch a chocobo to evade it, yes, of course. But later in the game ? No, not at all. It's not even a good example, since I can counter this by using the "Dragon" example above Gizamaluke's Grotto in FFIX. The moogles tell you not to go there, but if you do, I guess it also is quite devastating.
As for Master Tonberry, it's a push-over. It only counter-attacks with Everyone's Grudge if you blindly attack it with your three characters every turn, and only performs an Instant-Death attack after walking all the way to your characters. Not only that, but FFVII features the Death Force E.Skill, that voids all Instant Death attacks. Plus, the thing has no resistance to damage whatsoever. FFVI's Master Pug is a lot more dangerous, and can block your elemental attacks thanks to WallChange.
Wait, the Cave of the Gi is hard ? That's a first. And no, I don't see how you'd run short on items at that point, either. Item shops aren't rare in FFVII, and you'd have to do something stupid like wasting your gil on HP Pluses materias not to be able to keep a healthy supply.
For your information, you can also do stupid things in FFVI, FFIX and FFX.
I'll give you Confusion, though Yuffie's Conformer is unaffected by the status, and the availability of the Ribbon accessory / Added Effect make it a non-issue. FFIX doesn't have a Ribbon-like ability, and you can only get it very late in FFX (plus, you'd have to play the International/PAL version). Stop/Mini/Petrify/Berserk ?... ...Almost never used against you. And one amusing fact : the only shops that sell Echo Screens are in Wall Market and Gold Saucer, but you never feel their lack of availability. Likewise, I've never felt the need to waste a materia slot on Heal, either - especially since White Wind fixes so many status effects.
This doesn't really mean anything. FFIV, for instance, has the most basic level-up system, but it's arguably one of the harder FF titles. Especially in its original Japanese release. Besides, you don't have to know the ins-and-outs of the materia system to get through the game just fine. As I said, All+Restore does not demand a heavy brainstorming, as does equiping things like Double Cut or Enemy Skills.
In fact, the materia system only makes things easier, since you can easily interchange materias from one character to another. You didn't level RedXIII before Cosmo Canyon ?... ...No problem, just slap on him the materias you leveled, and he's a beast. Compare to parts in FFVI, FFIX or FFX in which you're forced to play characters that you potentially didn't use, and you'll come to the conclusion that FFVI, FFIX and FFX are harder.
True, but this doesn't make FFX easier than FFVII. FFVII hands the ultimate weapons on a silver platter.
You know what I'm talking about. The mechanics behind building the Aeons' Overdrive gauges and the ones behind the building of your characters' Limit gauges is essentially the same. You can take some time to prepare a Meteorrain, in the same way you build up the Aeons' gauges before boss fights.
That's right, you can't compare them : thanks to Magic Hammer, you can keep using Beta again and again throughout the battles, whereas Aeons are instantly killed by the later bosses - allowing each of them only one action.
You must be kidding. Yojimbo could be efficient against random enemies, but not against bosses that require a Level5 Zanmato (almost all of them). And to reach such a level, you have to hand the Aeon hundreds millions of gil. Not very practical, don't you think ? If you're gonna talk about exploits like this, need I remind you that Cait Sith's slots can be controlled so Game Over works in every boss fight ? No improbable amount of gil needed, there.
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In the international version, Yojimbo's Zanmato would come a lot of the time if you gave him reasonable gil. They changed the odds for the international version due to the dark aeons and penance. hence it is very easy to use yojimbo as a "get out" in euro version (provided you chose option to kill the strongest of foes). They changed the odds A LOT. There is a readme online which shows you that.
I really dislike how they put in these get outs. They usually have one.
Cait Sith "All Over" : 7
Selphie "The End" : 8
Friends Quest: 9 (but I will let them off with that, as you had to do something to make ozma easier)
Zanmato: 10
I really dislike how they put in these get outs. They usually have one.
Cait Sith "All Over" : 7
Selphie "The End" : 8
Friends Quest: 9 (but I will let them off with that, as you had to do something to make ozma easier)
Zanmato: 10
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Kudistos Megistos
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Pfft, I don't even remember Wrexsoul, so he couldn't have been that problematic.
It's easier than you think to run into the Zolom. I can't help but wonder whether you've played FF7 far more times than the other games and are basing your opinions on the difficulty of 7 on what happened in your 10th playthrough.
He's a push over if you know what you're doing.
He has very high HP and can kill characters instantly. Any enemy like this can easily take a first-time player off guard.
You need to have Dragon Force and know to use it. Once again, you're looking at things from the perspective of someone who already knows what to do. If you already know what to do, every RPG is easy.
Item shops are rare in the Cave of the Gi, it's at a point in the game where gil has not yet become stupidly easy to acquire and where a lot of very tempting new materia is introduced. Once again, you're looking at everything with hindsight. You have to know to stock up on ethers and phoenix downs and hi-potions.
The ribbon is acquired quite late in FF7, too. And once again, hindsight. You can't have all defensive abilities all the time, so you have to know when to use it.
Once again, you miss the point of "relative"
FF7's ultimate weapons are comparable to FFX's nerfed abilities like HP limit break and damage limit break.
I don't call spending several battles building up a limit gauge and then starting over again "spamming". Aeons can be very useful even when their overdrive gauges are empty; they're powerful and save the player from being killed. They're very spammable.
And what about the earlier bosses? And what about how they're a very cheap shield? And what about the fact that most enemies in FF7 have low MP, making magic hammer less useful than it could be. And what about teh number of difficult enemies in FF7 that are resistant to fire?
I recall Yojimbo turning up very often indeed. Perhaps our different experiences are because of that thing that Seifer said.
Didn't you read the bit about how this requires you to use Cait Sith? Aside from the fact that the amount of luck/timing ability you need to be able to use Game Over reliably is ridiculously high, the fact that it requires Cait Sith to be in the party makes it very impractical. Most players don't even know that it exists.
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My take on the order of how hard the Final Fantasy games are. As I have just played most of them for the first time....
IX) Hardest game of them all! There was points in the game where I would emerge from a cave not knowing there was an alternative exit, I would be met with the hardest enemy's ever. This was made even worse, by the fact that you must spend allot of time scraping for scraps the whole game so that you may participate in a few auctions
. Not counting the randomly overly hard bosses, one boss I would kick his butt, the very next boss fight I'd get walked all over. :|
VIII) This one is kinda cheating (My second playthrough ever) as it has been awhile I immediately fell into the newbie trap. What is the newbie trap you ask? Well simple...I must have level grinded squall (alone) for days! It's what I do in an RPG I sit there, pick up my PSP and battle a few hundred times. I avoid walkthroughs like the plague, and I had somehow forgotten a vital piece of info concerning FF8. Never level UP EVER!!!
Needless to say I was getting my a** handed to me by the nearest chatterpiller. I am not going to go into the convoluted menu system...or ridiculiously meesed up junction system. But, I can understand how many ways a person can "break" the system, or make it be the easiest game in the world if you know what you are doing. But not from a newbie perspective...
X) I dislike X. But the "challenge" missions are waaay to hard. Even with maxed out stats.
VII) A decently hard game, especially when going up against the weapons :/ I agree from a newbie standpoint the game is quite difficult.
I) The only thing that makes this game hard is that stupid cave where you are trying to get the crown. Other then that, the random encounter rate forces you to become a demigod fairly quickly.
II) Suffers from "elder scrolls" style level up. The more you do, the more you gain. Pretty easy to break the system even for a beginner :/.
V) Kinda hard till ya get to the end. Fighting the three "red dots" a few times breaks the combat system.
IV) Nothing notable, cept' when you get to the moon; Gets kinda hard then.
III) Worst game ever made (DS Version). Only hard in the aspect of being a very ugly game.
VI) Interesting title....The over abundance of miscellaneous characters, combined with sum jacked up moves makes this game very very easy. The ridiculous encounter system ensures that your favorite character is in-fact christ reborn. I'm not going to even go into the sheer number of weapons and ability's each character has. But I will try and list a few. Not that you would need them (Think of bringing the full Arsenal of the Russian Empire to a watergun fight) I'm talking about...
crossbows, swords, fists, shape shifting, summoning, mechs, claws, kitanna's, axe's, shurikens, lances, dogs, beasts, rods, maces, boomarangs, clubs, cards, brush's, scrolls, +much much more :/
It's like your a walking item shop for the entire Final Fantasy Series
Anyone that thinks this game is "hard" is on the crack pipe.
IX) Hardest game of them all! There was points in the game where I would emerge from a cave not knowing there was an alternative exit, I would be met with the hardest enemy's ever. This was made even worse, by the fact that you must spend allot of time scraping for scraps the whole game so that you may participate in a few auctions
. Not counting the randomly overly hard bosses, one boss I would kick his butt, the very next boss fight I'd get walked all over. :| VIII) This one is kinda cheating (My second playthrough ever) as it has been awhile I immediately fell into the newbie trap. What is the newbie trap you ask? Well simple...I must have level grinded squall (alone) for days! It's what I do in an RPG I sit there, pick up my PSP and battle a few hundred times. I avoid walkthroughs like the plague, and I had somehow forgotten a vital piece of info concerning FF8. Never level UP EVER!!!
Needless to say I was getting my a** handed to me by the nearest chatterpiller
. I am not going to go into the convoluted menu system...or ridiculiously meesed up junction system. But, I can understand how many ways a person can "break" the system, or make it be the easiest game in the world if you know what you are doing. But not from a newbie perspective...X) I dislike X. But the "challenge" missions are waaay to hard. Even with maxed out stats
.VII) A decently hard game, especially when going up against the weapons :/ I agree from a newbie standpoint the game is quite difficult.
I) The only thing that makes this game hard is that stupid cave where you are trying to get the crown. Other then that, the random encounter rate forces you to become a demigod fairly quickly.
II) Suffers from "elder scrolls" style level up. The more you do, the more you gain. Pretty easy to break the system even for a beginner :/.
V) Kinda hard till ya get to the end. Fighting the three "red dots" a few times breaks the combat system.
IV) Nothing notable, cept' when you get to the moon; Gets kinda hard then.
III) Worst game ever made (DS Version). Only hard in the aspect of being a very ugly game.
VI) Interesting title....The over abundance of miscellaneous characters, combined with sum jacked up moves makes this game very very easy. The ridiculous encounter system ensures that your favorite character is in-fact christ reborn. I'm not going to even go into the sheer number of weapons and ability's each character has. But I will try and list a few. Not that you would need them (Think of bringing the full Arsenal of the Russian Empire to a watergun fight) I'm talking about...
crossbows, swords, fists, shape shifting, summoning, mechs, claws, kitanna's, axe's, shurikens, lances, dogs, beasts, rods, maces, boomarangs, clubs, cards, brush's, scrolls, +much much more :/
It's like your a walking item shop for the entire Final Fantasy Series
Anyone that thinks this game is "hard" is on the crack pipe.
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Good thing I've been sticking to meth then.
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DLPB_
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X wasn't "way too hard", it was a welcome change with those sidequests from the piss easy ones we usually get with FF games.
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Final Fantasy 4 (Nintendo DS version) was the only hard Final Fantasy i have played lately..
i remember having major difficulties on Final Fantasy 6 many many years ago aswell... when i 1st got into the world of ruin with no chars and no idea what to do it got pretty tough.
i remember having major difficulties on Final Fantasy 6 many many years ago aswell... when i 1st got into the world of ruin with no chars and no idea what to do it got pretty tough.
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Mako
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Are you kidding me!? Chocobo Catcher Race, The Butterfly Hunts and dodging 200 Lightning Strikes in a row!? Not to mention the challenge events, with bosses (Nemesis)exceeding over 10 MILLION HP!!!??? With the ability to heal!? In fact just a quick search results in a billions angry fans fustrated and convinced that this cannot be done.
I doubt any new person to the Final Fantasy series would consider this game easy...or "not hard".
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DLPB_
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None of them were too hard. It made the game great and nemesis is as easy as pie (seriously when you get levelled up with the grid you are taking 99999 HP a hit multiple times with your characters and with a speed of 255 you are doing it a lot). Penance is the harder one. Once you learn the grid it becomes much easier, and that chocobo game was great fun and a challenge. The whole game was geared for a challenge and I prefer that to it being easy.
If you really want a game that is difficult try getting 1st on all the special missions in MSG1 and 2. That's hard. I have completed everything there is to do on X and it was very satisfying. I would have prefered ffx make it even harder in a lot more areas.
What we really need is a difficulty option, that way the crap gamers (no offence) can't whine
If you really want a game that is difficult try getting 1st on all the special missions in MSG1 and 2. That's hard. I have completed everything there is to do on X and it was very satisfying. I would have prefered ffx make it even harder in a lot more areas.
What we really need is a difficulty option, that way the crap gamers (no offence) can't whine
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Being new to the game, no it wasnt hard, yes challenging, but difficulty is relevant.
The things you mention may be valid for your arguement, but I dont think everyone sees it this way.
Yeah dodging 200 lightning strikes is a challenge, which consists of 200 single button presses...
I think we mean difficulty more in terms of the strategy and mechanics involved in battle...
The things you mention may be valid for your arguement, but I dont think everyone sees it this way.
Yeah dodging 200 lightning strikes is a challenge, which consists of 200 single button presses...
I think we mean difficulty more in terms of the strategy and mechanics involved in battle...
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Oh I agree the lightning strikes thing was a bit over the top and I prefer clever difficulty. The cloister of trials and destruction spheres provided that although it needed to be harder.
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Vgr
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Every game is hard for a newbie. Every game is easy for someone who has beat it at least twice. A game can be easy and fun (VIII for me) or easy and bad (II for me) , yet hard and fun (X for me) or even hard and bad (I for me, until I decided to replay it)
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-Ric-
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well the 200 lightning strikes, chocobo race and butterfly hunts (this one especialy) are more "annoying" then "hard"
also Nemesis isn't rly anything special (At least when compared with some other secret bosses from other FF's) infact, once u max out stats, most fights can be won by just using Hyper Mighty G and spamming Quick Hit
sure a new player will have troubles with those, but an average gamer won't have any issues IMO.
haha i gotta admit, i got stuck for like 1 week (around 1-2 hours gameplay per day) on Zanarkand temple trying to figure where the hell was the secret treasure.. only to have a friend telling me that u can only get it later in the game lol
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