I AM ABSOLUTELY GUTTED!

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i don't believe in nuking anything because that would kill innocent civilians, but something has to be done about saudi, eventually we'll just have another person rise up and take bin ladens place.

and i agree with kudistos, Mussolini got what he deserved, he was a cruel genius and is partly responsible for the worst of world war 2.
 
i don't believe in nuking anything because that would kill innocent civilians,
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There is an argument against that.  Most voters applauded Hamas for example.  The population is responsible for its leader.
 
There is an argument against that.  Most voters applauded Hamas for example.  The population is responsible for its leader.
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many people are fools, but that doesn't mean we have the right to blow them to hell.
 
There is an argument against that.  Most voters applauded Hamas for example.  The population is responsible for its leader.
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For Palestine, this is the case. And for this reason, I don't have much sympathy for them.

But the Saudi people have absolutely no choice in who leads their country. It's still an absolute monarchy over there. They don't even pretend to be a democracy. Decisions are made by a royal family interpreting a very old book.
 
i don't believe in nuking anything because that would kill innocent civilians
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I believe in nuking everything, everywhere, because that would kill all humans, which would actually be a pretty good move on our part.
 
I believe in nuking everything, everywhere, because that would kill all humans, which would actually be a pretty good move on our part.
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thank god your not in control of any countries with nukes :P
 
I believe in nuking everything, everywhere, because that would kill all humans, which would actually be a pretty good move on our part.
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You're trying too hard.
 
You don't need to kill all humans, we are going to die out one day anyway.  No matter what we do.,  So really everything is rather pointless.
 
just... wow, everyones so "woe is us".

humanity has some bad sides sure, but we got a good side too.
 
We can't torture people anyways
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you might want to read the Patriot Act, it specifically states that anyone who is considered to be a "terrorist" against america is stripped of all constitutional rights including those that protect against the use of torture. Also you might want to take a look at what we did at guantanamo right after the patriot act was signed in.
 
yarlson. that torture happens in places where the law is limbo and it is not a harsh type of torture under the normal definition.  It is hardly having your eyes poked out or toes cut off.  Some would have you believe placing bacon in a Muslim cell is torture.

It comes down to hypothetics again...  if someone knows where and when a deadly attack is going to take place that will kill thousands, do you torture him for the answer?  Bluntly.  yes you do if you have any sanity.
 
Except that

a) torture doesn't work, and even innocent people usually submit and,
b) terrorists don't leave key info with single individuals precisely because they can be coerced / bought off
 
Torture does work, or at least is has done.  Not that I agree with the principle except in extreme circumstances.
 
i think it can work, but it can also get them to spew a bunch of lies and bs just to get you to stop
 
A discussion on torture...this could be really good, or could get really bad.

Anyone see the movie "Unthinkable"?  I mean, torture certainly can work with many people.  And it will almost certainly fail with other people.  However, if you systematize the process, I'm certain that person-specific torture would work in most cases.  Construct a psychological profile of the torturee, determine what they could or could not know and how valuable that information is, develop a specific procedure for that person, and don't kill them when it is over, keep them to torture in the future if the information isn't good.

NOT THAT I THINK TORTURE IS GOOD, but I do believe that in many situations the ends justifies the means.  Though torture truely is a disgusting and cruel act.
 
Torture does work, or at least is has done.
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No, it hasn't. Torture people and they will tell you exactly what you want to here. Not the truth.

This wastes time and makes the whole exercise pointless.

It also assumes that a competent terror cell would ever give an individual much key information. In practice, they would not, because an agent can be

a) tortured
b) bribed
c) a spy
d) accidentally killed

I don't know how al-Queda operate, but I imagine very few individuals could be captured who ever actually 'know' what is going on. An operative might know that something contains explosives, and a colleague might know that the something is going to place X, but no individual would know that an explosive is going to X except their handler.
 
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So you are saying at no point through history has torture ever worked or saved lives?  That simply isn't logical.  It probably works in many cases and has saved lives.  I don't know the figure of success and I suspect nor do you.
 
So you are saying at no point through history has torture ever worked or saved lives?  That simply isn't logical.  It probably works in many cases and has saved lives.  I don't know the figure of success and I suspect nor do you.
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Not in today's modern world. It may have worked back in olden times but not now :P DLBP you suffer from what I like to call "what once works always works" syndrome. Like your "gay" argument, it is very flawed. We live in the age of youtube and cheeseburgers. Bosola is correct torture does not work.
 
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