If FFVII were to be remade, things would change

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This is an interview I read on KH Vids:
Many fans have been clamoring for a Final Fantasy VII remake for a while now, the classic PSone version available on PlayStation Network just isn't enough! In a chat with OXM, Final Fantasy XIII-2 producer Yoshinori Kitase says that, were a remake to happen, they would not be content keeping everything the same.

"If I may speak as a game creator," He said, "if we were to produce a remake of 7, for example, I would be really tempted to delete things and add new elements, new systems or whatever because if we were to make exactly the same thing now, it'd be like a repeat."

Kitase went on to say it wouldn't be as much fun to make a game like that, but also acknowledged that some of the fanbase might not be too happy with even slight changes.

"If we did that, the fans might be disappointed or [say] 'this is not what I was expecting' so in that sense maybe some might say that it's better to let memory be memory." He explained that, as developers, revisiting their old titles will often simply remind them of things that don't seem so cool now, or could have been better.

"But on the other hand, those slightly negative features and bits, for some of the really enthusiastic fans of these titles, that gives the game extra flavor or personality or whatever. So maybe they would rather we didn't do anything about it and we just leave it in as it is." He concludes, "It's very difficult to decide what we should keep in and what we should take out."

Square Enix isn't totally against the remake idea, as past revisions have proven, along with the upcoming version of Final Fantasy X for PlayStation 3 and PS Vita. Would you want a remake of Final Fantasy VII? If so, would you care if they made adjustments to the game?
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Well...from that it's like they want to remake it, but don't want to screw it up, so they aren't doing anything.

I wouldn't mind it being remade at all, it's just the part where they say they would change systems and delete things. Adding optional things would be alright I guess...
 
I'm pretty much at the point of saying, "do whatever, just decide to get started and get to work." I bet as much as all of the fans argue so do the developers in Square offices. I mean, if I was on the original team for FF7 or a developer that would like to get my hands in that goldmine, both sides would have an opinion to voice. Heck I'd even go with an engine update or fan remake.
 
for me, i don't mind depending on what changes they make.

for instance, i wouldn't mind an updated materia system, but i don't want them to toss the materia system out.

another change i'd like to see? more boss fights with Rufus damnit!!

Plot changes are tricky, as they'd likely change some things to suit the cannon they've made. throwing in a genesis appearance or something, which, unlike many, i personally wouldn't mind, however i want the core of the game to follow the same path.
 
I don't trust enix with running a bath.  They will change too much, and not for the better.  I hope they never remake it with those guys on board.  FF7 didn't get praise just for its graphics, but that's all anyone seems to give a shit about now.
 
I don't trust enix with running a bath.  They will change too much, and not for the better.  I hope they never remake it with those guys on board.  FF7 didn't get praise just for its graphics, but that's all anyone seems to give a sh*t about now.
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Which is why i'm fine with a remake from here. Graphics do not make a game good! That's why I feel sorry for the new generation of gamers. Yeah, their games may be prettier, but it doesn't make them better. SE should just leave VII alone IMO.
 
I do have to note here that they aren't remaking it for the very reason people worry about a Square remake. They know that they cant resist changing some "broken" things. Personally I would still love a remake as long as they left the core of the game alone and left the materia system in. I have always loved the materia system. My list of things for FFVII to change all would be

Improved materia management system, just the way the materia and equipment menus work
improved graphics (this one by itself would get my wife to play finally :))
fixed translations
Barret being who he was supposed to be instead of a stereotype

In my opinion it wouldnt need anything else.

On a side note, Firefox underlines materia in red to tell me it is spelled wrong and it took me a minute to realize materia isn't a real word.  :P

Edit: Luckily we have Qhimm forums and a great modding community. It may not be as pretty as what a true remake would be but it sure is nice to have these mods around.
 
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I do have to note here that they aren't remaking it for the very reason people worry about a Square remake. They know that they cant resist changing some "broken" things. Personally I would still love a remake as long as they left the core of the game alone and left the materia system in. I have always loved the materia system. My list of things for FFVII to change all would be

Improved materia management system, just the way the materia and equipment menus work
improved graphics (this one by itself would get my wife to play finally :))
fixed translations
Barret being who he was supposed to be instead of a stereotype

In my opinion it wouldnt need anything else.

On a side note, Firefox underlines materia in red to tell me it is spelled wrong and it took me a minute to realize materia isn't a real word.  :P
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Pretty much what I think. Square are usually pretty faithful with their remakes.
 
Like FFX-2 and Advent children and Dirge of Retcons?  Are you joking?  I think those 3 prove undoubtedly that graphics are king and a  good story is a plague to be avoided.  There are many improvements that can be made to FF7, but when people of qhimms are doing almost all of them (except full HD finished graphics), I lose interest in talk of FF7 remake. 

I made a list of things that could be done with a remake of ff7 but i suspect 90% of that list would be ignored, and instead I get to have the wonders of "Genesis" popping out of nowhere.
 
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Pretty much what I think. Square are usually pretty faithful with their remakes.
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Like FFX-2 This is a sequel, not a remake and Advent children This is a sequel, not a remake and Dirge of Retcons This is a sequel, not a remake?  Are you joking?
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Let's look at things they've done which have been REMAKES:

Final Fantasy III DS - added a story, where there previously was none. Not faithful, but frankly the original was kinda shit and needed it. I don't think ANYBODY complained about this.
Final Fantasy IV DS - Story is pretty faithful to the original. Exact dialogue words were changed, but overall meaning and tone were left alone.
Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories - Pretty faithful to the original. Most major difference is that the battles have been reimagined in the KH1 engine, but it still plays close to the same.
Kingdom Hearts Re:Coded - Gameplay doesn't even resemble the original, but the story is the same.
Final Fantasy Origins - Lots of bling added, FMVs, better graphics, and remixed soundtrack, but the gameplay is faithful save some balance improvements
Final Fantasy I & II: Dawn of Souls - see FF Origins
A bunch of Dragon Quest games: some minor gameplay changes, new classes, new items, new dungeons, but generally plenty faithful.

For as awful as Square-Enix has been about spinoffs, they do have a very good track record with remakes, and it's plain foolish to ignore that. Their history has given NO reason to believe that they would replace the world map with a Mario-3-style hub, add Angeal/Genesis as main characters, or any other such nonsense. More likely, we'd see stupid more minor details changed to match or prevent conflict with retcons (aeris into aerith, change a few definite statements into vague things that don't explicitly confirm or ignore their retcons), an extra dungeon because there's always an extra dungeon, and maybe some ill-advised costume changes with too many zippers. But nothing on the level you seem to be afraid of. It just doesn't match EVERY OTHER REMAKE THEY'VE EVER PUBLISHED.

Games which were enhanced ports rather than remakes, such as FF Anthology/Chronicles, Chrono Trigger DS, or IV, V, and VI Advance were deliberately not put on the list. But they too are pretty faithful.
 
The truth is the trend isn't good.  I can't imagine them redoing FF7 even near competently. It is a different animal, and I imagine pacing being as sh*te as AC.  i.e. story and genius sacrificed for graphics.

Most of their remakes have been simple upgrades.  FF7 would need a full make over.  Maybe I am wrong (it has happened one or twice), maybe they will surprise me.  But I'd rather this bunch don't bother.  I'd rather nothing than a major disappointment.

For now.. luckily Qhimm's rules.
 
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Like FFX-2 and Advent children and Dirge of Retcons? 
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Hey X-2 was just as good as FFX!  :P Not very.

I agree that Enix shouldn't be feeling up good ol' Square games with their grimy paws though.
 
A remake may not be a bad thing, of course the game would be changed and things would be added but I would be interested to see what they would do. Also if this remake were to happen no matter how good it is someone would be unhappy (probably dlpb) as it is different to their beloved ff7, but it doesnt matter as they will still have the game they love
 
Difference isn't what I have an issue with.  Crap difference is.  It is possible to make FF7 better, we do it all the time here at qhimm's and if I had an issue with change I would not be the creator of 2 huge mods that change the game, with 1 other not even started.

The problem is that the games these days are getting worse and worse, more and more dumbed down.  FF13 is not even an jRPG anymore, it has been stripped bare of what made it so.  I have seen the trend with FF12,13,spin offs and advent children.  The trend is graphics and nothing else matters.

I would strongly suspect that a remake of VII would end up having no world map, tons of extra cutscenes that bloat the game and ruin the pacing, additional story elements that interfere and retcon, changes to the main gameplay so that it is more to the current generation (i.e. less things to do, and gearing toward fps). 

I did not get into FF7 originally because of graphics or hype or fight scenes that last 20 years.  I did not get into FF7 originally because it had fps-like gameplay.  I got into it because it had a great story, it had a good pace and balance, it had addictive gameplay and minigames and exploration. 

I do not want a remake that is a dumbing down and reduction, masquerading as "improvement" and "innovation".   I do not trust this lot to deliver a game I will like, so I don't want one.  The number of people who told me Advent Children was great is scary, I expect they would love anything that Enix fired out, but I don't.

KItase above is talking out of his arse.  It isn't hard to know what to keep in and leave out at all.  You keep the gameplay and story and cutscenes the same.  You update graphics to be 720p and you make sure translation is better, you add more minigames to Gold Saucer, you add in things that were removed due to time first release, you add in option for difficulty level.  These things enhance a game.

Already they are saying they want to change core things, so no I don't want these retards touching it.

Not make battles hack and slash and non turn based.
Not add in Genesis
Not retcon story elements.
Not remove minigames and sidequests
Not change the music
Not remove world map
Not add in lengthy cutscenes
Not show ridiculous fight scenes in cutscenes.
Not leave broken translation in tact

You stick to what enhances and ADDS to the original, not take away.  I can see it now..  get to reactor 1 "Heads up here they come"  4 minute cutscene with the scorpion stomping about, fight scene realtime hack slash. And that would be me putting it back in the box.
 
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a 4 minute cut scene would be taking the piss... but surely it makes sense for there to be -some- explanation of how that massive ass scorpion got to them? or was even hidden?

I do completely agree with you about Enix though. I was sorely disappointed when they merged with Square, as the only decent Enix game I could find was DQ (which, IMO, is only good because the artwork is by Akira Toriyama)

I have to point out to you though, that Advent Children was awesome. I don't see the validity of your statement that it has no story...
 
Both times I was using hyperbole.  It did have a story, a shallow one.  40% of the film was fight sequence and when you see that in a film, you know it is because they are having trouble making a proper story.  The story itself was basic. "There is virus".  Of course, they had to use retcons too, so we have sep back, jenova back, rufus back.  Even more ridiculous to see Cait Sith in action, as if Reeve would use the thing in the first place.

There is little to no character development and if you haven't played FF7 beforehand, the whole of AC is a mystery. Who are these 3 silver haired freaks?  Loz and the rest?  Who are they?  What are their backgrounds?  Where do they fit in?

These things are not answered, merely glossed over with 1 line explanations.  This is story telling at its worst.  Then we have the destruction of suspension of disbelief due to the melding of game play elements and story based elements.  You cannot do that with film.  The same way you can't put snowboarding events collecting balloons-for-points in a film.  Seeing Cloud and Sephiroth fight by performing feats that would kill either of them in seconds is ridiculous.  At 1 point near the start, cloud is shot in the face and only loses his sun glasses.

Cloud is out of character, after FF7 he had changed, he had already developed as a character and reconciled his past and faults.  Now suddenly he is is Mr. Emo.  Not even the main character is right in this film. 

The whole thing was awful.  Let us not forget the absolutely pitiful translation and voice acting job for the English either "Dilly Dally Shilly Shally"  LOL "Does he know?" > "Well, one would think" 

It is broken.  There is hardly a story there.  I could write what you learn in this film on the back of a stamp. Sure, some people liked it (I have no idea how), but as always that does not make up for the numerous flaws, mistakes and poor writing.

I would not have made a sequel to VII because it was a finished story, but of course I am not  a money grabbing organisation.  Let us assume I did make AC, the difference would be that there was a story and character development.  It would be 90% dialogue and 10% fight sequence.  Properly paced.  There would be scenes where people actually sat down and talked, scenes were people joked, laughed, cried.  Scenes where we get to know and care about the characters.  Scenes where we see characters develop and change, scenes where we get logical explanations to questions, and the main theme is not "bad ass sephiroth is back, and there is virus11!!11!"  I also wouldn't have trampled on peoples intelligence by having Rufus (scorched to oblivion in his office) back or retcons whatsoever. 

Retcons like this are done because the writer has no idea how to make a proper self contained, original story.  The minute I saw that Sephiroth and Rufus were back, I knew the story was going to be convoluted and a ridiculous fan service.  In short, I could write a better story than they did in 1 day.  These guys sat down for weeks (I assume) and that story is what they came up with??  Or maybe they just said "right, whip something up, we will shove loads of graphics to it and it will sell" , and they were right.  But that pile of crap won't stand the test of time.

The end.
 
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I liked AC for one reason : There was fighting. I like fighting. Oh, wait, they meant a story to be in that? Rufus was killed 2 years earlier. Sephiroth, while dead, still plays a major role. "Ur ded but were gonna make you play the biggest role in da film caus youve got style lol." Basically what Square (would have) thought when making AC.
 
I never saw the point in a sequel fo ff7, the story always seemed pretty much done. I remember enjoying advent children the first time I watched it purely because I was seeing the blocky lego characters I loved so much in these amazing graphics we were presented with but when you get past that you really notice the flaws like the very basic plot. Advent children seemed like square was creating something just so they could go ¨look what we can do¨ rather than creating a sequel because they thought it was needed

I have to say though that it is unfair to blame all the problems with recent final fantasy games on the merger with enix, while you may not like the dragon quest games people who do like myself still rate the games in the series that have been released since the merger like dq 8 and 9 while games like ff13 doesnt even play like a final fantasy game in my opinion.
 
I liked AC for one reason : There was fighting. I like fighting. Oh, wait, they meant a story to be in that? Rufus was killed 2 years earlier. Sephiroth, while dead, still plays a major role. "Ur ded but were gonna make you play the biggest role in da film caus youve got style lol." Basically what Square (would have) thought when making AC.
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"how can we have AC without sephiroth"  , well you can have him in flashbacks.  That's how.  Not "Hey!  Looook behind you!"  "where?" "HE'S BEHIND YOU!!!!"

"Hey I know what, if we make this about Cloud v Sephiroth (again) it will sell."
 
Bullshit.

Legend Of Zelda Ocarina Of The Time, one of the best RPG's ever made were remade to a new version into Nintendo 3DS. The change? Only the graphics, the game remains the same. And I must say, It's gorgeous, I'm trying everyway to play that. The real thing is: Nintendo makes their fans happy while Square-enix don't.

When Nintendo released Zelda Wind Waker, a lot of fans were unhappy about graphics, so what did Shigeru Myamoto did? He made Twilight Princess, a game with cool graphics and mainly with adult link as a protagonist. And besides, they don't need to do only one remake, if they want they can make a remake exactly with the same things only better graphics and then another game as a sequel. It's a game they can do whatever they want with it...
 
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