I'm beginning to realize why Vista is full of FAIL.

[sithlord48]

i think the whole idea of the apple key is to make it the main modifier key. that is why is so close to your thumb and replaces crtl for most everything. the whole idea of mac OS is to make the computer a easy to use and powerful tool for people.inow don't get me wrong i'm not all for mac os. i liked os < X , what is now called "classic". to me OS X will always = fail.

 

[titeguy3]

I've always viewed it as a bit of a spectrum in terms of computing knowledge:



But although I'm a programmer *and* a technician, I choose windows for the familiarity and the fact that I don't ever have to worry about software compatibility. If my first computer had been a linux machine, I'd probably have gotten used to and stuck with it.

EDIT: I made that graph as a graphic for a supplemental powerpoint to a speech that I gave once.

 

[sithlord48]

*Computer Literacy Graph*

thats basicly what i was trying to get at about mac os. thats basicly apples market, people who think that their computer is another appliance , a tool to be used, an end to a means and nothing more of course some of them don't stay that way. and may then learn quite a bit about that mac they use.

i learned alot of what i know about computers and computer repair from macs. i didn't have a choice my school had all macs. its funny there was over 400 macs , and about 15 wintel boxes. i learned how to use,repair,hack and quite a few other things, since everyone else had windows machines out side of school i learned about them (well i had some classes w/ the windoze comps). a friend of mine had ordered a copy of red had for his pII computer. and it was my first linux exp, ever since then i had always check in w/ a current distro, seeing how they were progressing the whole time running windows , and eventually i found my self using windows less and less, and now i run linux on just about everything, its nice when the same stuff works on almost any hw platform .

 

[Cupcake]

Well, I'd just like to point out that Mac OS X, can be both for the low end users, and high end users.  This is thanks to the unix base.  For the high end user, you can do whatever you need to through a terminal.  The low end user never needs to know that even exists.  That to me, right there, is good UI design.  The only thing that a Mac OS X user misses out on, in my opinion, is UI customization, such as what you get with a patched uxtheme.dll or GNOME/KDE/XFCE/e17/e16/Blackbox/Fluxbox/etc.

I've said this an exhausting amount of times by now, but my main computer is an Asus EeePC 1005HA-B, running Microsoft Windows XP Home SP3.  Not my optimal choice of OS, but for what I need, it does the job BEAUTIFULLY.  Linux, unfortunately, has a few issues which bug me on this machine, and for OS X, I'd need to replace the wifi card =(

I can honestly say, that I don't think Windows should be the main OS for most people, as it currently is.  So many things can go wrong at any given moment.  As I have things set up with family and friends, they're all using OS X or Linux, and not a single one of them has an issue...usually.  The ones with Linux, I lend my horribly out of date O'reilly Linux Pocket Guide, which still has a lot of useful information.  This is usually for the people who are closer to my age and have an easier time grasping some of the concepts behind Linux, and can retain the information on how to use it.  The others on OS X... well, things just seem to work for them and I need to do very few things.  Except in the case of my father, he can't remember jack sh*t, he can't even remember "+Set UI_Console 1 +Set cheats 1 +set thereisnomonkey 1" for Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault when he just wants to kill Nazis and not worry about dying.

To each their own, I guess

EDIT: Also, quick note on Vista, regarding this netbook.  Windows XP, can recognize my monitor by default and set the resolution to 1024x600, like it should be.  So can Windows 7...  Windows Vista, however...  Vista sees 2 possible resolutions, 640x480, and 1024x768; neither of which looks good on this screen.

EDIT2: Damnit, I just keep coming up with more to add to this post.  Once again on the subject of Macs.  I got my first mac back when OS 9 JUST came out.  We dropped Windows like a sack of shit, and switched over 100%, and back then, I loved it.  Nowadays, I can't stand a Mac OS that isn't OS X.  Now, back then, I may have liked it because of the games (I really dig classic gaming, and there was a good deal of old-school games on OS X, and RockNES existed, so that was even better), but nowadays, I can't stand it for one, simple, little, feature.  It doesn't have a command line.  If it wasn't for that little, I guess you could say, oversight, I may actually consider it a decent operating system, but it doesn't; and I think a lot of the anti-mac crowd is...  Well, I wouldn't say traumatized, but definitely influenced, by some of those major flaws in pre OS X Mac Operating Systems.  Due to the shittiness of those OS's, they refuse to look at OS X for what it really is, a complete rewrite, which actually works VERY well.  I also think that's a large part of why Macs are gaining market share.  Most average computer users of today, don't remember those Operating Systems, and therefore, don't see that stigma.  Therefore they look at OS X in a much less biased way than all of us do.  I'll admit it, just due to my having an OS 9 machine when I was younger (MUCH younger), I have that small bias within me.  Now, I love Macs to death, but OS 9 still has an impact on how I think of computers.

Alright, I think that'll be the last edit for a while

 

[titeguy3]

Er...

Well, I'd just like to point out that Mac OS X, can be both for the low end users, and high end users.  This is thanks to the unix base.  For the high end user, you can do whatever you need to through a terminal.  The low end user never needs to know that even exists.  That to me, right there, is good UI design.  The only thing that a Mac OS X user misses out on, in my opinion, is UI customization, such as what you get with a patched uxtheme.dll or GNOME/KDE/XFCE/e17/e16/Blackbox/Fluxbox/etc.

It's not just the bash prompt (that's what it's called, right?) that makes Linux an optimal OS platform for high end users. In that sense, you can do everything on windows through a command prompt. Now I'm not a linux user, so I'm sure that sithlord48 can articulate it better, but let me just say that if you're going to load an entire User Interface, then use a bash prompt to do everything on your comptuter, you're wasting a sh*tload of resources for naught. Moreover, if you're going to buy OS X just to make it work like linux, you're wasting a sh*tload of money.

I can honestly say, that I don't think Windows should be the main OS for most people, as it currently is. 

I don't agree or disagree. That's just the way things ended up. I *will* say, however, that the fact that Windows is the main OS for most people is the reason why it is the way it is. You've got half of people saying "make it simpler" and half of people saying "make it more sophisticated" and what you end up with is..well...windows. Apple doesn't really have that problem to the same extent in designing it's OS's, and, well, Linux is open source.

Also, quick note on Vista, regarding this netbook.  Windows XP, can recognize my monitor by default and set the resolution to 1024x600, like it should be.  So can Windows 7...  Windows Vista, however...  Vista sees 2 possible resolutions, 640x480, and 1024x768; neither of which looks good on this screen.

Driver issue..?

Now, back then, I may have liked it because of the games (I really dig classic gaming, and there was a good deal of old-school games on OS X, and RockNES existed, so that was even better), but nowadays, I can't stand it for one, simple, little, feature.  It doesn't have a command line.

Can't you like...download a terminal or something? Isn't that what cygwin is?

 

[Timu Sumisu]

Now, back then, I may have liked it because of the games (I really dig classic gaming, and there was a good deal of old-school games on OS X, and RockNES existed, so that was even better), but nowadays, I can't stand it for one, simple, little, feature.  It doesn't have a command line.

its a nice lil app called terminal

 

[Cupcake]

Now, back then, I may have liked it because of the games (I really dig classic gaming, and there was a good deal of old-school games on OS X, and RockNES existed, so that was even better), but nowadays, I can't stand it for one, simple, little, feature.  It doesn't have a command line.

its a nice lil app called terminal

I screwed up, I meant OS 9, sorry, I wrote that half lost in thought up in the middle of a park.