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bulk_4me
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The amount of time you've been in the forums is far from being a critical factor, that's like saying "I am l33t because my post count is bigger than yours". Also I'm talking about a 500+ daily posts forum.
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L. Spiro
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No, actually it’s one of the most critical.
As Qhimm already specifically stated, if you weren’t here to see the old days, how things were, how the site was run, and what is expected if we are to get back into that type of forum-style (it’s like lifestyle, only in this case the forum is the life!), then you can’t be a moderator.
I’m not saying you aren’t competent for the job; I know you are a contributing member who seems to have a decent head, mature, etc. No one has ever complained about you.
But “being around for a long time†isn’t as linear as post count.
Look at how long I’ve been here and then look at my post count.
“Being around for a long time†involves seeing how the site was, knowing how this site was specifically run, and being able to compare how it was then to how it is today.
I am sure you do a fine job on your other forum (where I may even post my project), but different forums are run in different ways and by a different set of standards.
It may be true that you have a lot of what it takes to be a good moderator, but you’re only half way there.
Proving yourself stable, reliable, responsible, and forum-knowledgeable is of course expected of any moderator, generally for any forum.
But when we get down to forums that go past the general forum standard and into their own social standards, this is where you, as a moderator, would also be expected to have more than general moderating experience.
I am not trying to speak FOR Qhimm, but rather I am breaking down what he already said that you may have missed:
This is what EmperorSteele wanted you to read.
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bulk_4me
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Yeah, I probably misunderstood that, anyway I'll drop my case here... hopefully I'll be the New Apprentince :lol:
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Qhimm
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What should I have done then in order to not destroy our friendship? Lie for your sake? Agree and say you were a moderator, even though you had resigned long before? Make it appear like I support members taking the law into their own hands to hunt down newbies? In principle and practice you were not a moderator, not of that forum or of any of the other forums, apart from an honorary moderator position of the Administration forum, to which you were appointed pretty damn nearly against your will after your resignation. I would say that "you are not a moderator" was perhaps not the complete truth (since you still had a great deal of influence, and still do), but it was far closer to it than your argument was. But I didn't post in that thread in order to counter your arguments, I posted in order to stop the flame flood raging through the forums. You were becoming what we used to ban instantly in the old days, rapidly burning up your good reputation in the community. You'll probably laugh and not believe me, but stopping that fight was also motivated by wanting to preserve your image.
Had I known doing what I did would cost me our friendship, would I still have done it? No. Hell no. I thought I was doing the right thing for the community. It turned out not to be, and I regret it deeply. I tried to take the moral high ground, but the ends didn't justify the means. I'm sorry.
But for the record, you didn't lose your argument, everyone that matters agreed with your basic principles, and no one would have thought any less of you if you had just backed off the argument at that point. You would have been the winner regardless, having made your point and since no one likes people trying to sneak in the last word after an argument (thus his rather quick ban after that). I even remembered you saying proudly during an earlier, similarly heated debate, something to the effect of "if the moderators feel I'm going too far, they can give me a warning and I'll quietly back down". That was what I was hoping would happen; things would quiet down and people could get back to agreeing with you both in principle and in practice.
Actually, bulk_4me is probably higher up on my consideration list than most members. Not that he's seen the old days, but he's at least shown that he can post sensibly and contribute to the forums. While your time with the forums do rate highly, those two qualities do so too. The text quoted by L.Spiro is important though, because I won't let someone moderate who can't represent the ideals we strive for.
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Sad Jari
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Different wording, for example?
"You are not moderator of this forum" would have carried the same idea, yet would not have directly countered my argument.
"You are not moderator of this forum" would have carried the same idea, yet would not have directly countered my argument.
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Caddberry
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Yes, the Junkie Chess Master second to Nori at your service.
.. Yeah.. I dont really know what you are saying here.. That I dont show up enough to moderate this board, or if you are insulting AnimeNfo, but I dont think you should speak ill of a community you know nothing about. The only reason I called it a mess was because it's insanely active with things to do constantly.
Your presence doesnt piss me off. I dont really care. I liked and respected you when you were here before. I don't really get pissed off over things people say to me online when they dont even know me.
You wont stay in a forum that I moderate? Well.. I'm a moderator of this one. I imagine that you will eat those words since you can't seem to get enough of this community, and I am staff now.
EDIT: PS. Hey Qhimm, thanks for adding insult to injury. I knew you could do it, if you really tried.Go ahead, make the freakboy mod too, I know you want to. :lol:
I don't really see how my becoming a moderator here insults you. Do you feel that I lack the intelligence to be a moderator? An Administrator? Well.. Whatever.. I suppose it doesnt really matter anyway.
As far as my bitching about your still being here.. I really wasn't. I was more or less just curious as to why you were still here when you claimed to be going away forever.
Jari, I wouldnt mind if you stayed here forever. I wasn't meaning to pick a fight or anything. I just thought after all that work you did to clear yourself from this place what were you doing back here again?
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Qhimm
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I suppose it would have, yes. I apologize for my bad choice of words.
Heh, the irony. Caddberry, to be precise you are not a moderator of this forum.
</bad joke>Anyway, for the record, I'm pretty inclined to let the new forums, when they're ready, start from a blank slate; not carrying over the crap from these forums, only storing current content in an archive. Part of the problem today is that new members see slightly less new members post a load of crap (that hasn't been cleaned out yet), and so think it's okay to do shit like that.
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Sad Jari
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You must be pissed that the custom title went byebye. :lol:
Latter, but the former is true, too.
Gee, you assume a lot about what I know and don't know.
So, you just sound like you are pissed off. Okay, fair enough.
Oh, I think that you won't be a moderator for long, if you keep your current pace up.
Let's see;
- you seldom visit, leading to things like this. Now tell me, what exactly was the point of closing the thread... after it had died down on its own?
- you lack common sense
- you have stated yourself that you don't really remember much about the Rubicant incident, because you were so stoned. Clearly a good attribute for a moderator.
- animenfo general forum is a horrible mess.
- Combine all that with the fact you obviously have a beef with me and have had ever since the Rubicant incident.... that would make me see your appointment as a personal insult, rather than a smart choice for moderation.
Ah. My bad then, seeing this as bitching:
"Then I decided to offer a freaking olive branch..."
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Caddberry
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Oh, I think that you won't be a moderator for long, if you keep your current pace up.
If that is Qhimm's choice so be it. Until then, I'll moderate to the best of my ability.
It died down. Not died. I locked it because I felt it should have been.
Well.. I thought people here might enjoy that and have questions about it if they couldn't get it to work so I posted it. I wouldn't say that someone lacks common sense because of that. The thread could have turned into a chat on Anime Music on top of the whole radio basis.
I dont remember much because I honestly didnt care much.
We like it to be a mess so we leave it that way.
I haven't had any problems with you since the Rubicant issue. We even had quite a few decent chats after that whole thing. I may not have agreed with you on the Rubicant thing, but as I recall as more came to light I understood more of where you were coming from. After that I respected your opinion on that issue. That's the truth. Jari I never hated you, or had a problem with you.
As for my 'bitching' I thought you were leaving, and after everthing you went to to leave I was confused.
I think it's cool you want to help set up forum rules or throw out ideas to improve it. You are a smart person, and I've never said otherwise.
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crimsondante
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hehe....uh oh...i've been ratted out, oh well,
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Flash
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This thread seems to have been resurrected from the dead.
If it makes the administration feel any better, know that past a certain point, there really isn't much you can do. I work as a Moderator on a php forum with over 3000 members, so I can attest to that fact first-hand.
As any population grows, the influx of less-than-desirable users increases. In the beginning, it was relatively quiet and close-knit such as this forum, but as time went on, the sheer logistics of keeping things orderly became a nightmare. I'd be more than willing to say that once you reach a certain point, it's more or less logistically impossible to keep everything in order. And while under an ideal population there shouldn't even be a need for moderators, I assume it to be common-sense that such an ideal will never be reached. Even with dozens of staff, there's still regular problems that pop up on an all too frequent basis.
Just be thankful you aren't to the point where people try to use security exploits and other methods against you. And let me just say it looks like the staff here is doing a fine job.
If it makes the administration feel any better, know that past a certain point, there really isn't much you can do. I work as a Moderator on a php forum with over 3000 members, so I can attest to that fact first-hand.
As any population grows, the influx of less-than-desirable users increases. In the beginning, it was relatively quiet and close-knit such as this forum, but as time went on, the sheer logistics of keeping things orderly became a nightmare. I'd be more than willing to say that once you reach a certain point, it's more or less logistically impossible to keep everything in order. And while under an ideal population there shouldn't even be a need for moderators, I assume it to be common-sense that such an ideal will never be reached. Even with dozens of staff, there's still regular problems that pop up on an all too frequent basis.
Just be thankful you aren't to the point where people try to use security exploits and other methods against you. And let me just say it looks like the staff here is doing a fine job.
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dramamamaindistress
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Ok I know i've only been a member for a short time but i admit i messed up already, but i think you should talk to James Pond because he's been like teaching me the rules and stuff. I don't really know how this works but I nominate James Pond to be a moderator. (if it helps.)
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James Pond
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Haha, Thanks for the nomination, But there's no chance of that happening >_>
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Simon
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I wouldn't be a moderator because I just am not active enough, but yes this forum has gone down hill and I rarely visit anymore. I do miss the old school days.
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Alhexx
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Mod Edit: Removed spam-bot message
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Yuffie_Lover
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seriously! when is a mod going to take this down?!
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Kudistos Megistos
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It's becoming increasingly apparent that no-one really cares any more. What's ironic is that it's in a thread where this issue is addressed by Alhexx. Four years on and we still have the same problem; in fact, the problem is even worse
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Yuffie_Lover
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this is depressing really.
this is depressing really.
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Kudistos Megistos
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It certainly is, and I can see why Mr Adults and koral left. I've been here 9 months, and for most of that time the forums have got by quite well without much moderation. However, recent events have shown that there really does need to be more order around here, and mod powers need to be given to people who are still regular contributors to projects.
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