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Kashmir
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You might wanna fix up that link a little
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RPGillespie
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In U.S., fear and distrust of Muslims runs deep
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I agree with Jerry Klien as well, that it would be no different from when the Nazis marked the Jews during WWII. However, I must point out that I do think that the muslim religion is very wicked and corrupt. I myself am somewhat mistrusting of muslims as a whole, though I try not to judge on appearence. One of my problems with Islam is its "success" as a religion -- it is based on the fact that "muslim missionaries" (more like Islamic armies) virtually went on religious conquests, forcing everybody to become muslim regardless of their beliefs. Also, it is not a good thing when your religion is associated with mass murder and rape...
In addition to Islam's anti-free-agency conquests,
"Islamic countries are fascist, autocratic or theocratic, where women are subjugated and minorities persecuted. Islamic countries are rife with poverty and have been for centuries. Polls show that in many Islamic countries a majority of Muslims lionize the man responsible for the atrocities of September 11th and the terrorist gangs who routinely slaughter civilians in Israeli buses and restaurants. In Arab schools and on Arab television, children are taught the glory of becoming suicide bombers. Almost everywhere that Islam borders other cultures, there is violence."
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I agree with Jerry Klien as well, that it would be no different from when the Nazis marked the Jews during WWII. However, I must point out that I do think that the muslim religion is very wicked and corrupt. I myself am somewhat mistrusting of muslims as a whole, though I try not to judge on appearence. One of my problems with Islam is its "success" as a religion -- it is based on the fact that "muslim missionaries" (more like Islamic armies) virtually went on religious conquests, forcing everybody to become muslim regardless of their beliefs. Also, it is not a good thing when your religion is associated with mass murder and rape...
In addition to Islam's anti-free-agency conquests,
"Islamic countries are fascist, autocratic or theocratic, where women are subjugated and minorities persecuted. Islamic countries are rife with poverty and have been for centuries. Polls show that in many Islamic countries a majority of Muslims lionize the man responsible for the atrocities of September 11th and the terrorist gangs who routinely slaughter civilians in Israeli buses and restaurants. In Arab schools and on Arab television, children are taught the glory of becoming suicide bombers. Almost everywhere that Islam borders other cultures, there is violence."
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L. Spiro
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I was shocked and appauled that people agreed with his hoax as well.
When I first read his proposal and read that the phones went off the hook, I naturally assumed it was because of people telling him to screw himself.
But, naturally, America, being a country where bad news spreads to all and actual knowledge spreads to few, and those without knowledge draw—and act upon—their own conclusions, would not stop short of disgracing itself over this issue once again.
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When I first read his proposal and read that the phones went off the hook, I naturally assumed it was because of people telling him to screw himself.
But, naturally, America, being a country where bad news spreads to all and actual knowledge spreads to few, and those without knowledge draw—and act upon—their own conclusions, would not stop short of disgracing itself over this issue once again.
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corpse
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Hi
I just wondered if you were aware of the crusades, where the pope (who at the time was basically a warlord) conquered lands and tired mass conversions. The Christian religion is guilty of the same things you described, at one time or another. Actually I suppose my point is that all religion is the root of all evil. People have got away with doing really evil things in the past because it was in there name of their god. I don't like what some Muslims do, but doesn't mean I mistrust all of them. I judge them when I meet an individual.
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Jari
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Meh, corpse beat me to playing the Crusades-card, but little repetition never hurt...
How does the concept of Crusades sit with your values?
Pictures shamelessly stolen from Worldisround.com.
Yup yup, rife with poverty and subjugating women.
Of course, certain countries have been keeping their Jesus-loving fingers out of Iran for almost like... *gasp* 30 years by now. No wonder they are not rife with poverty. Of course, things like that have to fixed, which is why you are seeing glimmer of war in Dubya's beady eyes.
EDIT: Of course, quoting a pundit whose blog's ingress says something like "...these are the product of a specific cultural evolution having its genesis in Ancient Greece and reaching the summit of philosophical maturity in the Anglo-American Enlightenment." does have some dangers. He sounds like he's just a teeny weeny bit full of himself, and his cultural "superiority". :-D
Oh, I can't wait for you to tell us why you think so.
One of my problems with Christianity is its "success" as a religion -- it is based on the fact that "christian missionaries" (more like Christian armies) virtually went on religious conquests, forcing everybody to become Christian regardless of their beliefs. Also, it is not a good thing when your religion is associated with mass murder and rape...
How does the concept of Crusades sit with your values?
Pictures shamelessly stolen from Worldisround.com.
Yup yup, rife with poverty and subjugating women.
Of course, certain countries have been keeping their Jesus-loving fingers out of Iran for almost like... *gasp* 30 years by now. No wonder they are not rife with poverty. Of course, things like that have to fixed, which is why you are seeing glimmer of war in Dubya's beady eyes.
EDIT: Of course, quoting a pundit whose blog's ingress says something like "...these are the product of a specific cultural evolution having its genesis in Ancient Greece and reaching the summit of philosophical maturity in the Anglo-American Enlightenment." does have some dangers. He sounds like he's just a teeny weeny bit full of himself, and his cultural "superiority". :-D
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ChaosControl
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Religion just sucks, nothing more nothing less.
It's overrated and shouldn't be allowed.
It's overrated and shouldn't be allowed.
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RPGillespie
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Of course all Christians are associated with these crusades correct? Oh, wait... The Christian crusades were sanctioned by the Pope, who is the leader of the Catholic religion. I completely agree with you on that third to last statement except for one part which I will have to add later because I have to go to class.
Anyone can go and find pictures of people having fun in just about any country.
Note how I only quoted the portion I agreed with. Just because I quoted 2 sentences doesn't mean I agree with his entire blog.
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corpse
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Just face it rpg, your statement is full of flaws.
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Jari
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And surely you realize that I could take your first sentence and replace the "Christians" with "Muslims" (and replace crusades with the Islamic equivalent, of course) and it would still be just as true ?
Although this is the first time I've heard someone talk about Catholic religion. It's hardly a religion of its own.
Not to mention, at that time there were lot less Churches (as in Catholic, Protestant... not as in buildings) around - so like it or not, most of the modern ones are merely offsprings of the Catholic church of that day. Offspring that certainly didn't seem very eager to separate when the crusades were happening.
In fact, I believe that only Oriental Orthodoxes had separated before the Crusades, and Eastern Orthodoxes separated during the crusades. All the rest are more modern.
So, while I agree that not all Christians as people are associated with the Crusades, I also think that the "Catholics did it!" is an excuse and a pretty lame one, too.
...but not all countries are said to be rife with poverty and subjugating women. It would seem that these particular women don't seem that subjugated, nor the country very poor.
Could it be that the pundit is painting a picture that suits his purposes?
That's good.
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Simon
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You folks are judging philosphical systems based on the actions of people who claim to practise them. This is being a little immature because every worldview whether it be Christianity, Islam, Atheism or any other for that matter has followers who are quite capable of being wankers to humanity.
Now this thread is about Islam and if you want to bash it for whatever reason you should bash it for it's teachings from the Koran and not base your argument on the behaviour of those who say they are Muslim.
Now this thread is about Islam and if you want to bash it for whatever reason you should bash it for it's teachings from the Koran and not base your argument on the behaviour of those who say they are Muslim.
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corpse
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I think the point we were trying to make (at least I was,) All sorts of things are done in the name of religion. Some good others evil, but the point is that individuals should not be pre-judge based on what they believe. They should be judged on there actions and what they say etc.
The other point is: although we were bashing religions, we trying to state that doesn't seem to matter what someone believes in, They are still Human. As such cable of committing acts of evil, at the same time believe that religion is some sort of justification.
The other point is: although we were bashing religions, we trying to state that doesn't seem to matter what someone believes in, They are still Human. As such cable of committing acts of evil, at the same time believe that religion is some sort of justification.
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Simon
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A famous Nobel Prize winner springs instantly to mind. Ring any bells?
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corpse
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sorry nothing is ringing bells for me.
and what is your point Simon?
and what is your point Simon?
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Jari
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Simon: None whatsoever. I'm sure that you'll be most pleased to educate me though, since you already got that far. :-D
Not that it would magically mean that I would have heard the usage before, Nobel Prize winner or no. Perhaps more importantly, seems that Wikipedia is completely in the dark too.
Not that it would magically mean that I would have heard the usage before, Nobel Prize winner or no.
Perhaps more importantly, seems that Wikipedia is completely in the dark too.
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Sukaeto
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I've got one word: ethno . . . (Jari, I know you know what I'm thinking, so you can finish it if you like ;-) )
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Kashmir
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Opinion is divided on the matter, both in the athiest & religious communities.
Alot of people think too highly of themselves or that they are somehow better than others and are unwilling to accept others for who they are, thats what starts this shite off ... its not a belief dependant trait.
Someone with an agenda has to convince them of it first, as far as i know its against every religion there is, you know "Love thy neihbor as you would love yourself" and all those sayings you here every now and then. Either that or they are just fools that have chosen to ignor alot of thier own religion, or have been taught wrong.
I really hate this metaphor that im going to use, and your going to hate it as well... but lattely ive been watching those so called reality shows (the dance one to be a little more specific), and there are those people that try out for the show, thinking that they can dance well because they have been taking lessons for the last five years and so on... but then they do their little one minute thing and they completely suck because they have in fact been taught by a bad instructor whos really either just interested in getting paid, or was also been taught by a bad instructor. Thats how alot of people are, im sure you've all heard the saying before... "the blind lead the blind" its got nothing to do with the religion but them passing on their own twisted perspective of the religion.
Then the more you hasle the people with that religion just because of a few bad apples, the more of them start to accept that same twisted perspective. You cannot fight fire with fire.
(oh crap, how many more of these stupid sayings can i fit in this post)
In the story of adam and eve, the serpent (aka the devil) was said to have twisted the words of god to convince them to sin.
On the other hand, i dont know anything about the islamic religion so it could be completely trucked up for all i know, but i assume that if it was there would be a whole lot less people following it.
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RPGillespie
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Well, the Nazi's were pretty "trucked up" and a lot of people still followed them...
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Kashmir
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The nazis had special state schools where people were raised on the belief that they were the superior species, they rejected traditional religions and nazism became the new religion.
Wow, doesn't america sure fit that description today. Also china springs to mind... but it seems to keep to itself rather than invade iraq so i dont mind, and well i just dont know too much about china.
Sounds like your kinda man chaos control, why dont you two make a start on burning all the heritics.
Id rather just sit and remain neutral here and let everyone else destroy each other without me, there is no peacefull way to get rid of something.
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Midgar
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i would actually trust Muslims more than any other religion. Saladin didn't kill Christians like Richard the Lionheard did, he just let everyone be. However I agree the most with chaoscontrol.
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