Is It Realistic?

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I'm sorry, but I oppose any attempt to change Tifa at all. She's not a slut - no matter how she's dressed. Playing through the game tells you this.

I don't really care how unrealistic the idea is that she would wear those clothes because its a frakking game set in a fictional world with fictional characters. So what if she has big boobs? Really, the idea that we should mod more clothes onto her is ridiculous.

My Tifa's just fine the way she is, thank you very much. Her style kicks ass as is. No matter how skimpily dressed she is, she'd still kick ass. There are skimpier characters in the FF series.
 
My Tifa's just fine the way she is,
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She isn't your tifa.  She is a character which all of us have a view on and it is wrong that the first view someone will have of her is that of a tart.  Now you can choose to believe otherwise but it is complete common sense when you look at her dress and stature.  I can guarentee you that your first thought when you saw her was "my god shes a bit slutty".  The dress of a person overwhemlingly tells a character and a person of Tifa's personality would not walk around a world all the time with that dress,

This was a question on realism and it is not realistic.  We can all say whether we enjoy it or have any problem with it, but on realism, no.  it isn't.
 
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My Tifa's just fine the way she is,
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She isn't your tifa.  She is a character which all of us have a view on and it is wrong that the first view someone will have of her is that of a tart.  Now you can choose to believe otherwise but it is complete common sense when you look at her dress and stature.  I can guarentee you that your first thought when you saw her was "my god shes a bit slutty".  The dress of a person overwhemlingly tells a character and a person of Tifa's personality would not walk around a world all the time with that dress,

This was a question on realism and it is not realistic.  We can all say whether we enjoy it or have any problem with it, but on realism, no.  it isn't.
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Its Final Fantasy. At what point is it supposed to be realistic?

I'm disagreeing with you here. There are sluttier dressed Final Fantasy characters. How can you guarantee what my first thought when I saw Tifa was exactly? Were you there, in my head when I saw her for the first time? What I can guarantee you is that I've never thought of Tifa as a slutty character. I can honestly say I saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed until I started reading about how sexy people thought she was online. I've just never seen her that way.
 
Its Final Fantasy. At what point is it supposed to be realistic?
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This is a common problem with debates about these games and a common misconception.  Although FF7 is a fantasy game it relies totally on certain REALISTIC features.  For example, there is gravity.   This is a realistic element and without it they would have to devise a new idea and if nothing was explained why your characters flew around (i.e. no explanation at all)  you would think "that is unrealistic"

Point 1.  A Fantasy does have realistic elements. There happens to be human beings in the game...if I decided to stab one in the story (not battle) and they didn't almost die (see tifa)  there would be no drama.  If Aerith jumped up laughing after Sephiroth stabbed her, that would be unrealistic, fantasy or not.
There are sluttier dressed Final Fantasy characters. How can you guarantee what my first thought when I saw Tifa was exactly? Were you there, in my head when I saw her for the first time?
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It is a logical assumption.   It doesn't require any proof because it is totally logical.  We have been brought up with 2 eyes in our heads and common knowledge.  if a girl like Tifa walked about the streets she would be assumed as a hooker/pro.  That really isn't in question here.

Point 2:  Just because this is a fantasy it is dealing with CHARCTERS which are HUMAN.  They are directly based on personalities found in REAL life.  Therefore, their dress is every bit as inportant as it would be in the real world.

We weren't asked if there were sluttier characters (although you would be hard pressed to find one as badly dressed as Tifa vs her personality). We were asked if it was realiistic.  And since she is based on real life humans, no it isn't realistic to believe she walks around like that.


 I've just never seen her that way.
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You are rare. Also who do you have in mind as worse dressed/designed than Tifa?
 
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Your reasoning is flawed. Of course it relies on realistic features and elements, but much the rest is unrealistic. Magic, for example. Wearing the same outfits everyday for the entire game. An alien called Jenova. You mentioned (yet again, you told me "I would think") gravity and how unrealistic it would be for characters to be flying around with no explanation. Did you see Advent Children?

Yuffie's outfit shows only very slightly less skin than Tifa's does. No one goes on about how slutty she is. I'm of the opinion that it would be unrealistic for Tifa NOT to have big boobs. If all three female playable characters had tiny mosquito bites, would that really be an accurate representation of the feminine population? Not that being realistic matters, of course - because its a videogame.

I must be rare then, either that or you make assumptions about everyone elses judgement based on your own reasoning. What is it about this situation that makes you totally unable to accept a viewpoint that does not completely echo your own?

In short - its not realistic. But that was not my original point. My original point was that I didn't see Tifa as slutty and that I opposed any attempt to change her. I like her the way she is. I have no problem with the way she is.
 
Yuffie's outfit shows only very slightly less skin than Tifa's does. No one goes on about how slutty she is.
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Yuffie wears shorts and a proper top.  She does not wear a ridicukously short skirt, she has not been made to have ridiculously large breasts,  and her dress is nowhere near as bad as tifas.  She is not shown in provacative FMV.  She is not singled out for a very good reason.  She doesn't look anywhere near as bad as Tifa.

I'm of the opinion that it would be unrealistic for Tifa NOT to have big boobs.
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????

Not that being realistic matters, of course - because its a videogame.
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That doesn't really deserve an answer.  Realism matters in any story or it wouldn;t be a good story.  There are always set laws.  The excuse "it is just a video game"  is a very poor argument.  If aerith was able to get up after Sephirioths stab we would all shout cop out and rightly so.  The idea that anything can happen in a story and it doesn't matter is only true if you like crap story.

In short - its not realistic.
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That was the question asked.
 
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It is a logical assumption.   It doesn't require any proof because it is totally logical.  We have been brought up with 2 eyes in our heads and common knowledge.  if a girl like Tifa walked about the streets she would be assumed as a hooker/pro.  That really isn't in question here.
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Yes, it is in question. I'd be a) most happy to see female dressed like that b) curious about her reasons for the said outfit. But I wouldn't assume she's for sale, or even loose, for that matter. I would assume that she likes attention, yes, but that's not terribly uncommon or particularly bad.
 
Not that being realistic matters, of course - because its a videogame.
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That doesn't really deserve an answer.  Realism matters in any story or it wouldn;t be a good story.  There are always set laws.  The excuse "it is just a video game"  is a very poor argument.  If aerith was able to get up after Sephirioths stab we would all shout cop out and rightly so.  The idea that anything can happen in a story and it doesn't matter is only true if you like crap story.
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I noticed you ignored the parts of my post you can't argue with.  :lol:

If it didn't deserve an answer, why did you give it one?

You should really learn to let other people have an opinion.
 
You've all been operating on a bit of a bad postulation here. After all, never has sexual intercourse between characters in the FF7 universe even been defined in an official work. It's unknown as to whether the characters even have human genitals. Perhaps they're entirely genderless, and babies are born when two people love each other and the lifestream blesses them with the gift of life. It's awfully hard to be a slut when you don't have genitals to abuse, you know. We just don't know!

After all, the Don seemed content to move in on all of his harlot victims while fully-clothed. From this, the only known precdent for a raw sexual advance, we would have to conclude that FF7 characters, if there is some form of intercourse implied, do engage in this intercourse without exposing any part of their so-called genitals. This would mean that a woman's sexuality would not at all be judged by the amount of skin she exposes.

Furthermore, did you see any knocked up teenagers or single women in Midgar? In the entire world of FF7? I know I didn't. In exploring an entire civilization, with rampant sexuality like this, there would surely be young women suffering at the hands of their own untempered lust. But there weren't any!

Of course, the actual, not-entirely-mocking point this brings about is - you cannot judge a character's character in a purely fantasy universe, with accepted social standards much different from real world social standards, by real world social standards. That would be dumb. ;)
 
Women dress up like that all the time here. I don't see the big deal, apart from the fact that it's really freaking nice to look at most of the time.

Tifa is a barmaid, it's natural that she'd want to show a little skin. Helps with tips and such. Doesn't make her a slut, much less a hooker.

Also, Tifa is nowhere near the most skimpily dressed FF female, nor is she anywhere near the first to be at least that skimpily dressed. Rosa, Rydia, Terra, Celes, Selphie, Beatrix, Garnet, Yuna, Rikku, Lulu, Fran, Ashe, and Penelo have all been routinely depicted wearing less clothing, or more revealing clothing, than Tifa.

Finally, it's as close to canonically established as possible that Cloud and Tifa have sex under the Highwind, but that doesn't make either of them "sluts," given that they've been in love with each other since their childhood and have only just come to realise each other's mutual affection. Given that the planet, for all they know, is just about to be destroyed, it's pretty natural that they'd want to consummate their relationship.
 
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Obviously because I have an aesthetic appreciation of the female form, I must be a "basic male."
 
Pretty typical really. I contribute constructively to a debate about FFVII and the only thing I get from him in return is a flame. And yet, according to him, we're the aggressors.
 
You've all been operating on a bit of a bad postulation here. After all, never has sexual intercourse between characters in the FF7 universe even been defined in an official work. It's unknown as to whether the characters even have human genitals. Perhaps they're entirely genderless, and babies are born when two people love each other and the lifestream blesses them with the gift of life. It's awfully hard to be a slut when you don't have genitals to abuse, you know. We just don't know!

After all, the Don seemed content to move in on all of his harlot victims while fully-clothed. From this, the only known precdent for a raw sexual advance, we would have to conclude that FF7 characters, if there is some form of intercourse implied, do engage in this intercourse without exposing any part of their so-called genitals. This would mean that a woman's sexuality would not at all be judged by the amount of skin she exposes.

Furthermore, did you see any knocked up teenagers or single women in Midgar? In the entire world of FF7? I know I didn't. In exploring an entire civilization, with rampant sexuality like this, there would surely be young women suffering at the hands of their own untempered lust. But there weren't any!

Of course, the actual, not-entirely-mocking point this brings about is - you cannot judge a character's character in a purely fantasy universe, with accepted social standards much different from real world social standards, by real world social standards. That would be dumb. ;)
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This gave me a good chuckle, lol.  I never went around looking for the single mom's, but on my next playthrough I sure will.

it's really freaking nice to look at most of the time.
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I think you are the one I referred to as basic males in my post above?
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Once you've had at least two or three girlfriends you'll understand.   Please, V, there's no need for defending yourself here.
 
Why is that always the best comeback people have?  I have been in 3 long term relationships and I understand maturity...you obviously don't because you are wanking over Tifa.
 
I haven't fapped to video game characters for at least five years. Try again.
 
I hope it was at least concept art. 5 years ago, character triangle counts were still so low. Most games couldn't even do hardware-accelerated vertex skinning. What a turn-off.
 
She isn't your tifa.  She is a character which all of us have a view on and it is wrong that the first view someone will have of her is that of a tart.  Now you can choose to believe otherwise but it is complete common sense when you look at her dress and stature.  I can guarentee you that your first thought when you saw her was "my god shes a bit slutty".
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Not in the slightest. In fact, it never even came up once during the game. In fact, my first thought about her appearance was 'Yep, she looks like a lego, same as the others' and my first thought regarding her FMV appearance enjoyed what I was looking at, but I did not think her a slut for it.
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The dress of a person overwhemlingly tells a character and a person of Tifa's personality would not walk around a world all the time with that dress,
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You still act like the outfit, a skirt and a sleeveless top are somehow objectionable.
And no, the shirt does not 'show as much as possibe', it doesn't show anything.

Her skirt is, as I've said several times now, one of the longest FF females in the habit of wearing non floor length dresses/ skirts wears.

I'm curious how the angles of the FMV make her a slut. Does the camera giving us a deliberate view of Selphie's panties in FMV and often during battle make her a slut?

And there are plenty of women who defend her outfit to, not seeing anything objectionable about it at all.

It's a Tank Top, Pencil mini, suspenders, a belt, and some heavy boots. Seriously, what is slutty about any of that?
 
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