Koran Burning a Bad Idea? (Sept, 11th)

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It's an interesting double standard that people who attack Christianity for being destructive cannot see what you have pointed out.
It is because there is this desire by a number of people to self hate.  The number of times I have heard "Yes but Christianity is just as bad, what is the difference?"  and pathetic attempts to compare the 2 books based on choice quotes from the old testament.

This guy does a better job than I ever could >


The koran is not the bible.  Islam is a much worse ideology.  Anybody who has done any reasonable research knows the difference and know that we are facing a severe problem, especially in Europe with Islamification.


"Slay the unbeliever wherever you find them"  - chapter 9 v5

The Koran names Jews , unbelievers and Christians by name.

http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Jews.Islam

It is a book of hate and racism, being afforded special status because it is a world religion.  Perhaps if I get enough people believing Hitler is the messiah, I too can claim that Nazism deserves respect? Mein Kampf can be the bible. 

In a nutshell there is no difference because both are ideologies based on hate.  The people who try to compare Christianity and Islam are clueless, the people who try to claim Islam is peaceful are clueless or liars, and the people who claim religion deserves respect need mental evaluation.


"When we see Islamic societies, we see what that negative man did."
"Any doctrine that calls to kill those who do not believe in it, is not a religion."
"Islam is a political doctrine which imposes itself by force."
 
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The only reason the books are being threatened is because they know it will get a rise out of the Muslim communities.
Actually I think it's just because people love book burning bonfires. Harry Potter, comic books, all sorts of religious works... I think bumpkins just get bored and aren't imaginative enough to come up with a new pastime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning
 
A statement that the Koran is a "racist" text is nothing new in religious material. The Koran is racist. The Bible is judgmental about homosexuals, and also about Atheists. The Bible claims that I (Shankifer), as an Atheist, do not exist. In fact I am truly just one of many incarnations of the Devil trying to sway people to my evil.

Anyone want to come join the dark side? ^.^

But overall, you find really harsh judgments in all religious texts.
 
If I ever encountered someone wearing an "islam is evil" t-shirt walking down the street, I'd legit punch them square in their prejudice face. If they have the right to piss me off, why shouldn't I have the right to sock 'em one?
 
If I ever encountered someone wearing an "islam is evil" t-shirt walking down the street, I'd legit punch them square in their prejudice face. If they have the right to piss me off, why shouldn't I have the right to sock 'em one?
Because the right to free speech is a fundamental right, and attacking someone for it means you aren't worthy to live in a free society.  There is a difference between offending someone and assaulting someone.  You would be rightly arrested and charged.  The person wearing the shirt would not.  And more to the point, Islam is evil by the things it overwhelmingly says- if we take evil to mean war, racism, legitamising sex with children, hatred to Jews, Christians and non-believers, inciting death, inciting murder et al.

You call it prejudice, but perhaps they did more research than you and your position is based on a lack of knowledge to what Islam is?  If I was a scientist who ran around with "The Earth Revolves Around The Sun" Shirts in the past, I may have been locked up.  Would you have been the person who was ready to sock me in the jaw because it went against what you knew and understood?

If you classify Nazism as evil then there can be no double standard here.  Classifying an ideology as Religion does not exempt a hateful backward ideology from being a hateful backward ideology.  Nazism is an evil ideology and would be even if it was made into a religion with Hitler as a prophet.

It seems to me that all one needs to do is make a crappy and dangerous set of values into a religious belief system, and people fall over themselves affording it a special status.  Well, I call bullsh*t to that and in a few more decades, so will everyone else.

Criticising and protesting against religion is no different from criticising and protesting against a political party like the democrats or republicans.  You have the right to attack it on a  T shirt.  You don't have the right to go round punching people in the face.
 
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I think it was a good idea.  It has been called off now sadly.  The Muslims and media like to portray Islam as a religion of peace but it is clear every time something like this happens that it is nothing but an intolerant and dangerous ideology.
One doesn't need to compare notes on religious scripture between the Christian Bible (regardless of canon), and the Koran, to realize they are no better than each other. The beliefs spawned by all of the Abrahamic teachings have lead to ignorance, and some of the worst atrocities in human history.

The only difference is that Christianity has been matured by human knowledge to the point of modernity, where Islam has not left the bronze age (though some try). Only the practitioners of Christianity have changed their views on the scripture, the book is still a hotbed of intolerance, and violent teachings. If one were to take the Bible literally, we'd all be moving back to the dark ages.
 
That isn't true since Christian's mostly base their beliefs around the 4 gospels (and I have read all 4.  There is nothing in them which is anywhere near as bad or frequent as what is contained in the Koran).  This isn't the case with Muslims and Islam.  The book is not structured the same way, and there are far more problems with the Koran.  They are not "as bad as each other" at all.

If they were, Christians today would still be able to justify bombing people or sleeping with multiple wives.  That stopped because the 4 gospels don't condone it.  With Islam, the Koran has numerous quotes which create trouble.  The very fact we STILL have a problem with Islam is testament to the differences.

If you look at the islamic world and all its barbarity and problems and then compare it to the western world, you see a polar opposite.  Yes we have our problems, but they are nothing compared to that disease pit and unfortunately, Islam is at fault.

Churchill Wrote in 1899 after seeing it first hand:
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as
his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased
to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid
qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social
development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists
in the world.
 
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Off topic, I don't see any difference between 'God' and the natural chains of causality.
 
That isn't true since Christian's mostly base their beliefs around the 4 gospels (and I have read all 4.  There is nothing in them which is anywhere near as bad or frequent as what is contained in the Koran).  This isn't the case with Muslims and Islam.  The book is not structured the same way, and there are far more problems with the Koran.  They are not "as bad as each other" at all.
By Christian Bible, I assume he includes the Old Testament, which certainly does have some horrific passages. Nonetheless, it is important to point out that two religions aren't necessarily equal just because both are "bad".  There are different levels of bad, and the whole "x is bad, y is bad, therefore you shouldn't criticise x" fallacy that's going around nowadays is intellectually dishonesty motivated by political correctness.

Off topic, I don't see any difference between 'God' and the natural chains of causality.
With the exception of a few lone weirdos, people don't believe that the latter gives them laws to obey, nor do they kill in its name.

However, I do find it amusing that people around the world are fighting over an anthropomorphisation of the laws of physics. What would E=mc^2 think?
 
oh yes I completely agree.  Both should be criticised and rightly, but as you point out, people are trying to get out of this debate by using that fallacy.  I am against all religion, I just happen to be against Islam more than the rest, and for good reason.
 
Similar discussion on another forum spawned this.

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Hey, she's a virgin! That's her story and she's sticking to it. >:(
 
Similar discussion on another forum spawned this.
LOL-ograph here
I find this hilarious.

Too bad there aren't as many pictures like this for all the other religions too, you know just to be fair. To criticize everyone justly in our jokes...

and of course to have serious lolz :P

On a serious note, I think it's another thing that goes to show how much of a grip Christianity has on society.

I heard a seriously awesome thought today and I figured this thread might like to get in on it.

Someone mentioned that instead of fighting about which religion is better, in the maybe-not-so-far future, the top religious argument will be between believers and non-believers.

I thought this was seriously interesting to think about.

I also wonder what it would be like (not supporting a bias here, just pondering) if the whole government as a whole did not have any religion.

I just wonder how many things would be changed.

and how many things like this Koran burning could be avoided (seeing as our government leans to protect christian churches still [little bit of bias there, but not too much. Hope you can handle it :P]) with an Atheist government.
 
Well since religion was spawned by man, it is quite clear that man is at ultimate fault.  If not religion man would find another way to create trouble.  Humans are the real problem.
 
Well since religion was spawned by man, it is quite clear that man is at ultimate fault.  If not religion man would find another way to create trouble.  Humans are the real problem.
True dat. :P

I told a bio teacher who asked "What is the best way to stop pollution" that the best way would simply be to just kill everyone, and then yourself  ;D
 
Similar discussion on another forum spawned this.
Why does everyone still insist on quoting images
I'm a christian, but... lol

Burning the qu'ran? (yeah. I spelled it wit respect lol)
It's indeed an evil book, but I don't understand what they're trying to accomplish. More flag burning and hatred towards the west?

Well since religion was spawned by man, it is quite clear that man is at ultimate fault.  If not religion man would find another way to create trouble.  Humans are the real problem.
True dat. :-P

I told a bio teacher who asked "What is the best way to stop pollution" that the best way would simply be to just kill everyone, and then yourself  :-D
Anyone willing to start? I say each country pick a straw, then nuke the shortest. Hopefully there will be many people there.  ;-)
If population control is the means the achieve the goal, then Pol Pot and Hitler are one of our time's biggest heroes.
 
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Off topic, I don't see any difference between 'God' and the natural chains of causality.
With the exception of a few lone weirdos, people don't believe that the latter gives them laws to obey, nor do they kill in its name.

However, I do find it amusing that people around the world are fighting over an anthropomorphisation of the laws of physics. What would E=mc^2 think?
To clarify, I don't believe in God, but I don't really see the difference between an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being, and the laws of physics. My reasoning is hard to articulate in a short space, but the gist is that I can't see how such a being could have volition without effecting it.

I should also remind people that the burning was aborted at the last minute. Thank Christ, so to speak, for common sense.
 
Given the ridiculous intolerance and death threats from many Muslim countries over this, it will only be a matter of time before someone else does.
 
One thing unnoticed here is that Christianity never was peacefull and civilized religion while Islam was considered such in the distant history. It was mainly Christian Church that made an enemy of the world from Muslims, it was Christians that plundered muslim lands for wealth and power. It wasn't peacefull organization untill that was only way to save their power by them. Sure you'll not hear it in church couse they all say pink stuff about their history only, but read some stuff about history of europe. How many countries were considered barbaric and got ultimatum to take baptism or be deleted from the map? For one I know my country was for sure.
 It's Christian Church fault that islam fundamentalists gained power. All religions have fundamentalists but also have civilized and liberal people. It's pure luck "we" white people, europeans, americans stopped the dark and feudal rule of Church in the industrial age, with what's a big lol as this seems by history like opposite of liberalism but huge help of UK Monarhy. We stopped it, but we still have same fanatics among us like they - muslims have. It's just the proportions among those are different. We can be ateists, buddists, muslims, but if we live in "western" world, we all ballance out Christian Church to keep it off power, muslims living in islam countries doesn't have that. And all those wars about oil and other crap that our living is addicted from just make their fundamental side stronger.
 All of this is a closed circle that will finish itself only with full destruction, but who gave "us" living in "western" world right to do it if it's "we" who are reason of that? All wars, all fights, all conflicts with islam world is only making stronger all fundamental powers and I mean at all sides. Nobody else noticed that Christian Church with all it's historic and present crap coming out isn't turning weaker, but gaining strenght lately? Why? Couse stupid people who are affraid of death we trully are sentenced from birth belive in priests and some sacred mission of theirs to fight with islam.

 In other words if you care about peace you live in it's best to just ignore all of that crap. Soo what if somebody burn some sacred books, they'll kill him for that, but if we don't care they'll not gain anything. I doubt any human would "TRULLY" care about some non known to him person dying in the other end in the world. Sure it's politically right to care and we often show it, but if you would care about every death in the world, you would need to spend your life counting deaths every second couse that's about how often humans die in the world and nobody gives a shit about much better humans that this priest or whoever he is. Let them all destroy their sacred books, and kill each other for that untill none fundamentalist stay in our world this or different way.

 Especially that this isn't about religion anymore. All religions are good in their basis islam too, and all "sacred books" have their "sacred rights" about legal slavery and such things - christian bible too, for all black and asian christians it can be a shock, but originally "holy bible" put you below simple rodents, through not only as slaves could be taken for just being poor, it was actually a religion for "masters" not for simple people we can see that still seeing all gold palaces in current Watican. It all depends who rules over the church. And you surely can't say muslims are bad couse they're bad while your holy christian priest molest children in some of their local "palace". Shit happens, world isn't a pure and stright place from when humans started to organize in societys as the leader of each society will always plan his gain above his people and his people will only plan to replace the leader someday and soo another uselessly closed circle which creates politics and lowers every religion to mere political tool. If we care about all of that we should act in our own way not to stop one side, but both or "all" of them anyone dares to start a church which only sacred rule is to do anything to destroy other churches?  XD And I don't say religion as this is something else than church, religion is our faith we all have right to have different, our beliefs we keep in our own place for our own "spiritual gain" of any sort. While church is just an organisation ment to gain power and wealth by their followers.
 While if not, if we don't care a damn about, then why bother even thinking about it?

 Hah I generally don't bother even thinking about religions and their churches, but if you all knew what crap happens this summer in my country with church messing in politics, and religious symbol in public - even goverment rule symbolical place - defended by force by a group of fanatics lead by fail politicians nobody dares to touch with all legal means possible, you could understand why a person that doesn't give a damn, can write lots about the topic^_^. It's kind of scarry for such stuff to happen in other "western" countries as I would have no place to run in case my country fails. IMHO if no media would catch such topics and spam us with it everyday nothing trully would happen after burning any sacred books even originals if any exist couse nobody would just know about it. I feel like throwing out my TV out of the window from lack of usefull informations coming from it, but damn I like watching Top Gear too much. xD
 
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