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Just my guesses.

A: Definitely not.  Aged 15.
B: Mostly not.  Aged 14.
C: No.  Aged 17.

I dislike greatly Girl A’s nose and general facial features.
I’ve never liked red hair or green/blue eyes, nor have I ever liked red cheeks, or red skin in general, so Girl B is out.  Her facial features are, however softer and smoother than most, so she gets extra points for that, and she has a sweeter gentler look, so again more points.  Hence she is a bit attractive, but mostly not.
Girl C is simply out.  Her breasts are just too disgusting, and she has fun showing them off, making her attitude even less attractive.


L. Spiro
 
Just my guesses.

A: Definitely not.  Aged 15.
B: Mostly not.  Aged 14.
C: No.  Aged 17.

I dislike greatly Girl A’s nose and general facial features.
I’ve never liked red hair or green/blue eyes, nor have I ever liked red cheeks, or red skin in general, so Girl B is out.  Her facial features are, however softer and smoother than most, so she gets extra points for that, and she has a sweeter gentler look, so again more points.  Hence she is a bit attractive, but mostly not.
Girl C is simply out.  Her breasts are just too disgusting, and she has fun showing them off, making her attitude even less attractive.


L. Spiro
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High standards. Granted, the girls are all likely less than 18 years old, but it's undeniable that they're at least somewhat attractive to some guys that are 18 or older. It's also likely that these girls probably won't change much anyway, they'll just end up looking worse as they get older, most likely (unless I'm really surprised, and find out that they are 12 or something).
 
0.o I must have lower standards
A Looks like she is 13-15
B Looks like a girl in my class. 15-16
C Hmm... about 17?

This is actually the first forum that people are not biased toward pedophiles. I remember at OCR when even the title was biased (Pedophiles have dieseses) There was a person who studied sex and made some new laws, and he was very unforgiving toward those who were 'raped'. I forgot the doctors name though...
I'm glad I didn't have to say that pedophiles ≠ rapists first. And as always:
I wonder, what is the age in which you can identify yourself as such, meaning: what age can you call people pedophiles?
 
I'll say something; you sure are a picky. :P Or really wary because of the context the pictures were posted in. :-D

I think that I'll wait until 24 hours have passed after the last guesses and post the results then.

This is actually the first forum that people are not biased toward pedophiles.
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That's just because they don't want to argue with me. :-D Or because smithie is not here, he would have screamed bloody murder at the idea of pedophiles not being sent by Satan himself.

There was a person who studied sex...
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Where can I find a job like this? Where? Where?! And do these studies include field trials?

Ok, enough joking, the real matter is rather serious.

...meaning: what age can you call people pedophiles?
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The DSM-IV-TR says:
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).

B. The person has acted on these urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.

Note: Do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.
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So, even a 20-year old in an ongoing sexual relationship with 12-year old is not necessarily a pedophile. He's just slow. *snicker* But seriously, that is one of the reasons for the largish age range; some people really develop more slowly and because of that a 18/13-pairing - as weird as it may seem - might not be as strange as it sounds first. As an average it would naturally be rather bizarre.

On the other hand 16-year that seriously lusts after 11-year olds might be a pedophile.

Anyway, in the end there's very little point in quoting the figures, because it's (or should be) a doctor who diagnoses who is a pedophile and who is not.

So, as an answer to your questions; I wouldn't go around calling people pedophiles. Period. Not our job to make that decision.

There's something very important in those criterions, though; look at the B). So, if you happen to find a certain (too) young girl sexually attractive, you haven't suddenly turned into a pedophile. It's the things that happen afterwards that make the difference.
 
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Just to be clear (not accusing anyone, but simply for the sake of clarity), a lot of people think I am picky because I define a set of attributes that I like and then calculate whether women fit into that set before I decide how “attractive” they are.

In fact, it is the exact opposite.
I find women either attractive or unattractive, and then think about why.
When I list the features I like or dislike in women, really these are just the patterns I have observed between the women I have liked or disliked.

I have no problem being called picky because I know I am, but I wanted to be clear that it is not by choice.
In fact sometimes I am jealous at how many women others can find attractive that I simply can’t; being so picky lends me few opportunities to feel the rush that comes with the vision of beauty.
But as that is the case, the times when I am blessed with a vision of beauty are highly relished and it makes it worth it.

I imagine it is for the best for me, anyway, because I grow bored of things extremely easily, and I imagine that if I was seeing women who I considered beautiful often, then it would become quite standard quickly, and I wouldn’t really care about them when I saw them.


As for the subject of pedophilia, well, I am safe because I have no sexual urges towards anyone anyway.
Some little girls can be cute, but they will forever be bereft of many of the things that I find “attractive”, such as intellectual conversation, wisdom, maturity, and responsibility.
The most I would want to do with little girls is cuddle, and the fact is I prefer older girls because they can cuddle back.


L. Spiro
 
I think peoples guesses here are lower than what they would have put had it been in a different thread.

Girl C looks 18 to me but doesn't do anything for me, Girl B I quite like the look of, again.. she looks about 17-18 to me and Girl A looks easily in her 20's though again she does nothing for me.

*Waits for Jari to tell me they're 12*
 
I'm really bad at guessing someone's age, but let's try this test anyway. Ok, I'll admit I practiced a little beforehand on the first website Google returned when I searched "guess age" :-D

1. I'd say she's pretty... perhaps ! There's too much makeup to tell for sure. Anyway, she's a bit attractive.

2. Less invasive makeup but still tricky enough to make it hard to guess. And the fact is I can't guess at all how old she is. She could either be 13 or 18 to me. *roll a D20, get 4... roll again* Ok, she's 17. I don't find her attractive.

3. Absolutely not. Except from the chest, she looks no more than 13 to me. And knowing that puberty can start very early, I'll stick with 13.


I'm sure I've messed up somewhere, if not everywhere. Like Qhimm and L. Spiro, they really aren't girls I would date (if I omit the fact I'm married :-P).

Sad Jari, I'll really laugh hard if you tell us one is actually over 20 :lol:
 
Ok, seems that 24 hours have passed, and nobody else wants to try. :)

Girl A) Do I find her attractive? Hell yes, and even though I knew her age before seeing the picture, I still think that she looks about 19. Of course the makeup and hair - which might be done by professionals seeing that apparently she is the current Miss Teen Finland - play a big part in it. And are actually one reason why I think she would be so "old", if I saw her in real life; I don't ever recall seeing 16 year olds wearing a makeup like that. Most of them tend to go for the smutty raccoon-look. :lol:

Girl B) She is gorgeus. And also dangerously young looking. I thought that she was about 17 the first time I saw the picture - meaning that I certainly wouldn't have hit on her. Because not only would that mean that she would be bit more than half my age, but also close to age of consent which is 16 here. Rather surprised I was, when I found out her age.

Girl C) I knew her age before seeing the picture, and I've never formed my own opinion. Simply because her body and her age are in such a conflict. :| I don't find her particularly attractive because her face simply looks way too young, and if I'm correct she still has quite a bit of baby fat on her.

Her face doesn't look so overly young here, but I didn't use this picture because it doesn't display the most misleading feature of hers - which I'm sure you have figured out.

That being said, I'm not talking about dating them when I talk about them being attractive. But rather if I would have sex with them, should a girl like that hit on me (because with the exception of the first one, I surely wouldn't hit on someone so young looking).



Sad Jari, I'll really laugh hard if you tell us one is actually over 20 :lol:
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Sadly I can't. I used to have a picture of a 20 year old who very much looked like 15 year old, but I couldn't find it. I also thought about posting a picture of Yuko Ogura for example, but they are not that easy to date accurately, since she has been doing modeling for several years - and I figured that at least some people would recognize her.

I have to say that someone guessed very well early on. I wonder if it's easier when you are closer to their age?

Anyway, it's time for the truth:

Girl A) Current Miss Teen Finland, like I said earlier. 16 years old. Closer to 17 actually, if you want to be anal about it.

Girl B) Just some Finnish girl who has a gallery. 14 years old at the time the picture was taken.

Girl C) I was bit surprised that none of you recognized Saaya Irie. She certainly is an internet celebrity. She was also 11 (eleven) years old at the time that picture was taken.

Only in Japan can a 11 year old have her own photobook where she poses in swimsuits and her own Idol DVD where she... poses in swimsuits. Hardly pr0n or anything, but they are made for ogling.

She has a band, if you are wondering how she came to be an idol.

So, the prize - that does not exist - goes to Relf for almost flawless performance. I suppose that the last one was telepathy, since Saaya is 12 now. Congrats.
 
Well, in all fairness, I am 16. Thus I see a lot more people in those age groups, as my school deals with kids 12 - 18, so you get good at guessing grades.
 
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