No FFXPC (maybe) ....

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Well... Now that it's not 3am, and I'm actually awake, I'll post my follow up to Joey's post.

First of all, a lot of what I said, I meant. We have to remember that Joey's a human being too, but he must also remember that as the other members of this board, we have limits to how much crap we can take.

On 2002-01-13 15:37, PurpleSmurf wrote:
um does this little section bother anyone else?

Lastly, I'd like to say sorry If I made anyone mad, especially to Qhimm for thrashing this message board. I've decided to die.
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Yeah, I was a little concerned about that... But I figure that if Joey was to really kill himself, we'd see "Nathen", "Elise", or his two other friends come onto the board and say something like: "You f*cking sh|ts! Thanks to you, Joey killed himself! God Damn you f*cking ass-rapers!"

I personally think that Qhimm and Jari were a bit too harsh on Joey, although, they've also had to put up with him the longest, so I can see why they'd lash out at him like they did. I'm not condeming what they did, but I won't support it either.

Qhimm: Darkness HAS been getting better... He's not nearly as annoying was he was say, a month ago.

What do you guys think are my flaws? :-? I'd like to know...

Sephiroth 3D

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i doubt joey will actually kill himself. and if he does, it would be horrible. I mean, he is pretty nice on the board, and I bet hes a good guy in person.

seph> ummmmmm..........   :D

*Looks at purplesmurf's post count* < sarcasm> no, not at all < /sarcasm>
[edited] 249 2002-01-13 23:13
 
Guys, are you sure that you want to get into this discussion about flaws?

Remember, it's a public forum, meaning that everyone can see it and _comment_ on it. I can think of couple of reasons why it could very quickly turn into a disaster.
 
In *theory*, it's always good to find out what other people don't like about you, so you know better what to do when visiting the board in the future.

In *practice* you get a couple of response types:

1) People criticising a spammer/flamer (or somebody *they* think is spamming/flaming)
2) A spammer criticising other people for what they've said about him or her
3) Genuine advice about how to improve the level of comments

The problem is that (1) and (2) are faaaaaaaar more common by the nature of them. Look at the sort of people who get involved in them.

Personal discussions ("You post too much!", "Your posts are worthless!") tend to result in problems like that.

A more effective way of getting the message across without degenerating the whole discussion is to work some kind of "rules" for the board, either formal or informal. To a limited extent we already have this, in the form of Qhimm telling us the sort of things he won't accept on his boards.
We (that is, the mods and admins) *were* discussing making the rules more formal (ie. explicit and enforcable) recently, though nothing's yet come of it. We'll see.
The advantage to this is that it doesn't specifically single out users for criticism ... we tell you the rules, and *you* think about whether you're likely to be breaking them or not. Then, anybody who truly didn't realise they were causing problems gets the message without anyone publically flaming them.

Anyone who blatently ignores the rules ... well, then they deserve what they get.

(Whoa, long post!)

ANYWAY ... getting back to my original point (I had a point?!) what Jari said is quite true: good idea except that it's almost certainly *going* to develop into a flamewar.

Incidentally, I don't mean to imply that more fixed rules are the solution to every problem. They aren't. Just that in this circumstance, it *might* be useful, and it was something the mods were considering.
 
jari..... maybe if we told people our problems and realized that flames may have some merit, we could form a utopian message board.

edit: posted same time as fice :)
[edited] 249 2002-01-13 23:51
 
Darkness & PurpleSmurf: Exactly what Fice said. The idea itself does have some undeniable merit, but in real world it's just way too likely to be more trouble than it's worth.

PS. Show me Utopian society that really exists and works and I promise to reconsider my views about discussing these things openly. :)
 
Umm... wow. That degenerated.

All I can say is that what I read of Joey in this thread alone started to rub me the wrong way.... I can't imagine the rest of your problems. A sort of that air of bravado? One who talks the talk w/out walking the walk? A similar air that an annoying little cousin gives? Hard to describe....

Anyway... In a long shot to pull back to topic.... All I have to say is that "Hello, Mr. Anonymous with the One Game Emu idea is me, now, with an account" and I still am going to rent a PS2 and play w/ that until the cost of buying one goes down to about the same price as buying a decent modern graphics card, IE, somewhere around $200 give or take $25-30. When that happens, yeah, I'll get one. But not before. And that may be within a year or so... if not, emus and stuff will come out, things will be made right, etc, etc. Patience, people, patience. Play the game now, however possible, and get it out of your system.

In all honesty, have you actually restarted a Final Fantasy game in the month or two following your first run-through? I haven't. And if you have, well... patience.

Barawulf

EDIT: Darn, forgot my sig. Oh well. Next time. For now, my name'll do...
[edited] 293 2002-01-14 01:38
 
yea you sorta of caught us at an awakward time. if you search for joey's posts you see what were all talking about. oh and welcome to the board. :)
 
Joey, if you read this, as much as it saddens me to read your post, I have to say this, GROW UP!

That is not such a big of a deal to start thinking of sucide.  You are 15 years old, I know what it is being 15 years old, and believe me, you are going to look back when you wrote these things and say, "Geeze, I was such a dork in writing that".  I've gone through this stage, probably even worse than you.  I almost did walk the walk.  So don't go saying things about suicide, because your problems are insignificant to the problems that I used to have.  I'm not trying to bash you, this is just the way I am, straightforward.  In my opinion, a lot of people here in this board like you.  When you were away for some time, a lot of members were starting to worry about you.  
One thing that I have to state is that this is the Internet, don't make it part of your life.  You may have problems in real life, but your life in the Internet should not interfere with your real life (unless the internet is your life, which I doubt).  
The word "moron" is not a really insulting word.
Moron means, an adult which still has the mind of a child.  In which case we do think it applied to you, and if you think about the meaning of moron, technically almost everyone here are morons.  There is nothing wrong with being a moron.  In real life, people have called me a moron lots of times.  Where I used to work, I used to be the "Joey" of my workplace.  
All you have to do is show people that you really changed, and that takes time.  To be a moron to moderator is really hard, but if you can do that, that means that you are a far better person than most of us.  

I'm not sorry if I insulted you before, and I'm not sorry for what others posted.  Most of all, I'm not sorry for your decision to leave this board, because after all it was your decision.  This is just a message board, we don't know you in real life.  What happens here shouldn't bother you or anyone else in real life.  GET A GRIP!  It's not the end of the world.  
Being a 15 year old is still being a kid, and as a 15 year old you can still act like a kid.  It would be worse if you were a 20 year old acting like a kid.  
So, get your act together, and start changing your way of thinking.  Showing that you were bothered by the word moron is not the best thing to show that you are actually changing.  

I hope you read this, and if that post was really you last post, then good luck on whatever you do, do your best, and Sayonara.

                                        -vvalentine
 
Well, Qhimm is right, I'm back, but only for this post.

Qhimm, Jari: I know that you are both 21 or something, as you guys can't like, ignore those stupid posts. But here's the big question for both of you: are you going to forgive and forget about all the stupid things I've done. I know that it may be hard, but a lot of people has noticed that I've changed from an extremely sick and childish person into a better one. Why not you guys forget about all the stupid things that I've posted. Drop me a mail if you can forget, and give a chance for the new me.

vvalentine:No, I'm not mad that they called me a moron, but the edit button that comes with my every posts. It's only on my posts! Actually, I'[ve lost intrest in life a long time ago, and I'm very sucidal and have a split personality.
 
On 2002-01-14 02:42, Joey wrote:
vvalentine:No, I'm not mad that they called me a moron, but the edit button that comes with my every posts. It's only on my posts! Actually, I've lost intrest in life a long time ago, and I'm very sucidal and have a split personality.
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How many times do I have to explain it to you that it appears only on your posts because you are logged in as you! Try not logging in at all, and you there will be no delete buttons on your posts   :x
 
On 2002-01-14 02:42, Joey wrote:
And I have a split personality.
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How many excuses can one make to cover one's own ass?

Edit: Post # 666

Sephiroth 3D

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[edited] 135 2002-01-14 18:29
 
Joey:  Dude, are you really a moron?  Everyone has that delete button thing, the X in the circle right?  I have it too, and I think everyone has it too.

Also, being suicidal is not surprising, why do you think I drive usually at 110 mph (not that I'm suicidal, but death is not that scary).  Talking about sucide actually means that you are looking for someone to hear you out (If you want to talk about it, drop me an e-mail, I'm a good listener and give good advise in these kinds of things (friends usually).  I used to study a lot of psychology and sociology when I was interested in majoring in psychology, plus, I've gone countless of times to a psychologist )). Another thing, you are not the only one with split personality (if you have it (you can only know if you visit a psychiatrist)).

-vvalentine
 
On 2002-01-14 02:42, Joey wrote:
Qhimm, Jari: I know that you are both 21 or something, as you guys can't like, ignore those stupid posts. But here's the big question for both of you: are you going to forgive and forget about all the stupid things I've done. I know that it may be hard, but a lot of people has noticed that I've changed from an extremely sick and childish person into a better one.
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This is really getting very repetitive, but I'll point out something that we both wrote to our replies: we don't think that you have changed. Like Qhimm said, only clear change in your attitude has been that you don't claim anymore that you work for Square, and that doesn't really change things anywhere.

Actually I re-read the relevant part of this topic, and nobody is saying that you have changed, so where did you get the "...lot of people has noticed..." thing? Not that it would make any difference, as Qhimm, not "lot of people", is the boss here, and what he says goes. In other words; this is not a democracy.

It's not really about forgiveness either, because that is a concept more suited to interpersonal level, than board-moderating-level, IMHO. Hating someone and thinking that someone can't act appropriately in public place are two different matters. Although they have nasty tendency to get mixed up, but that's unavoidable because we have to use humans as moderators and admins.

If someone would like to donate AI-based moderator bot that preferably has a master's degree in psychology and completely lacks any kind of emotional feedback we would be very grateful. :)

Sephiroth 3D: You are _evil_, check your post count. :P
 
I don't think I bash Joey very often (do I?). I can't really see why this is all getting so dramatized, it's a message board.

Although Joey does post stupid things sometimes, I usually just think 'Joey's stupid, maybe he can't help it' when I see some of his posts, so I don't spend my time slagging him off, maybe that's why I don't find him so annoying. (Hmm, I can't really see where this post is going).

So, Joey hasn't actually been banned yet has he? He's leaving, but he's asking for our forgiveness in hope he can return. I don't think I remember Qhimm telling you to f*** off Joey, he's just being straight with you. I remember when I first joined these forums 1 or 2 years ago I was around 11, and I was a bit of a moron. I posted some pretty crappy posts before the forum split, and now I'm a mod. I think it's cos I don't post so often. There are loads of posts where people have just written one line stating the obvious, and that gets kinda annoying. I think that's something like what you did/do, so instead of trying to post in every thread about whatever first pops into your head, just skip the thread and forget about you post count.
Man, I've spent ages writing this post and it's all been a load of crap. Remember kids, don't end up like uncle eerrrr.  :-?
 
Jari: Thanks! I edited my post to include that info for future generations to read.

Joey: "Uncle eerrrr" is totally right. One of the reasons you, Darkness and PS are treated like you are, is because you guys alwasy seem to post your opinons on everything, no matter what.

Now, as I've stated in earlier posts, Darkness has been getting much better about it, but both you and PS still do it a bit too much. The difference between you two is that you seem to post crap, while PS posts relevant stuff along with his crap. Not to mention his amount of crap is way less than yours! (No Offense PS.)

Sephiroth 3D

"I don't understand..." "You don't have to understand." - Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within

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Jari & Qhimm: Whoa, that ´looks like a dialogue !

Joey: I think everyone in here can forgive you, it just depends on your future behaviour ... change it for the better, and there should be no problems (I think)

 - Alhexx
 
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