Racial Profiling now mandatory in Arizona

[therage800]

I disagree with you completely, Cupcake.

1) I live right next to NYC, I know a large amount of illegals, some of them even being close friends

Doesn't change anything. They're not allowed. If I'm friends with a known child molester should I accept them all and say none of them are wrong for doing what they're doing?

2) The argument of "the illegals are taking our jobs" is a faulty argument.  They take the jobs that everybody else refuses to do.

They didn't refuse them because they needed money. The poverty stricken in this country need money too. THEY don't take it because this country is idiotic enough to convince them that they deserve better. That's money out of the hands of the citizens and into hands that won't use our system.

3) I can, however, see where a lot of illegal immigration becomes a problem.  It's usually more of a social thing, than an economic thing, and right now, in my corner of the world, is a great example.

It's both. It's economic because they aren't paying taxes and quite often sending some to their families in a foreign country. That's MORE money out of the hands of the country and to the hands of people that didn't make it.

4) As far as the "if you want to be here so badly, just come here legally" argument goes.  Anybody who seriously believes in that argument is a f***ing retard.  9 times out of 10, the reason they resort to coming here illegally is because the waiting list is so goddamn long.  My friend's family applied for visas from Ecuador a few years ago.  20 year wait...  They wanted to come here so they could get cancer treatment for their 6 year old daughter.  Unfortunately, they didn't have that time to wait, nor the money to get smuggled into the USA, and said 6 year old daughter, didn't see her 7th birthday.  That's just one of the situations people I know have been in.  That argument just doesn't hold up.  Many others do, I've only really outlined the 2 arguments I really have a problem with, because they just don't hold up

This is a bad example and is in no way typical. It sounds more like your friend's family are idiots. There are over a dozen types of visas some of which can be issued on arrival and renewed later. There's even a medical visa. You don't have to be residents to get treatment. You're attempting to play to sympathies by stating that your friend's family should be an exception to the rules. If they can't afford to meet those requirements, tough. I don't want them to die, but it means there are enough problems in their own country that they can't get the treatment they need. Don't break the laws of another country to get treatment.

A conservative on the internet?! I LOVE this forum.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

A conservative on the internet?! I LOVE this forum.

Are you being sarcastic?

'Cos, ya know, there are far more hard-line conservatives on the internet than in real life. All the people ITT are bleeding-heart liberals by internet standards. Hell, Ann Coulter is a bleeding-heart liberal by internet standards ;D

 

[nfitc1]

A conservative on the internet?! I LOVE this forum.

Just because I'm conservative about that doesn't mean I'm not liberal at lots of other stuff. I'm actually not either. I'd like to think of myself as open-minded. I'm conservative about this because it's something that I'm convinced is correct. I'll change my opinion as soon as someone gives me objective facts as to why my views are wrong. Of course, that depends on the people arguing against me being able to argue objectively on a subjective matter. Good luck.

 

[therage800]

A conservative on the internet?! I LOVE this forum.

Are you being sarcastic?

'Cos, ya know, there are far more hard-line conservatives on the internet than in real life. All the people ITT are bleeding-heart liberals by internet standards. Hell, Ann Coulter is a bleeding-heart liberal by internet standards ;D

No, I wasn't. Hmm, it always seems to me that there are more liberals on the internet IMHO. But, OT, aren't you supposed to be studying?

A conservative on the internet?! I LOVE this forum.

Just because I'm conservative about that doesn't mean I'm not liberal at lots of other stuff. I'm actually not either. I'd like to think of myself as open-minded. I'm conservative about this because it's something that I'm convinced is correct. I'll change my opinion as soon as someone gives me objective facts as to why my views are wrong. Of course, that depends on the people arguing against me being able to argue objectively on a subjective matter. Good luck.

So your centrist? I've always said that there are 2 types of centrists those that are weak and indecisive and then there are those whom are truly intelligent. Looking at both sides on every debate and making an informed decision is the only way to properly make an informed decision. Clearly you belong to the second group.

Again, I love this forum

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I've worked under the table since I graduated in 2006 just cause the job market is so hard. I barely made $400 a month. Basically I lived on $10 a week for food cause $15 would go into gas. The rest would go into bills. Was almost homeless except a complicated relationship girlfriend allowed me to stay at her apartment until her bipolar roommate kicked me out. Luckily at the same time my guard card kicked in and I got a security offer at a local hospital, so I was allowed to move in with my parents for the time being. But still, that's practically 4 years of barely scraping by on not having a job except I got accepted at walmart for a month. I got fired cause they messed up my schedule. Yet this one illegal would cuss everyone out, pinch people nipples, etc. I reported it up the ladder 4 times in the store and finally called the district manager and only then was the illegal fired. So let's weigh this out. White natural born american guy trying to make his way in life, polite, does his work. Or slacker illegal who is just horribly rude. One of the answers should label you the town fricken retard and yet, walmart went with it.

I heard a quote on the radio from Bob Frantz today (A local radio host) that made me think of your WalMart story. "The problem isn't so much the illegals but instead the companies that hire them."

 

[titeguy3]

I heard a quote on the radio from Bob Frantz today (A local radio host) that made me think of your WalMart story. "The problem isn't so much the illegals but instead the companies that hire them."

There's never just one solution with politics. Hell, there's rarely even just one problem.

A lack of work and capital in neighboring countries --> immigration

Difficulty in legal immigration --> illegal immigration

non-negligible unemployment rate --> people caring about illegal immigration

etcetera, etcetera...

 

[therage800]

I heard a quote on the radio from Bob Frantz today (A local radio host) that made me think of your WalMart story. "The problem isn't so much the illegals but instead the companies that hire them."

There's never just one solution with politics. Hell, there's rarely even just one problem.

A lack of work and capital in neighboring countries --> immigration

Difficulty in legal immigration --> illegal immigration

non-negligible unemployment rate --> people caring about illegal immigration

etcetera, etcetera...

And sometimes the solutions that are available aren't exactly preferable either. At least Arizona has stepped up to do something; which is essentially just enforcing laws that already exist!

In Japan, if you are a foreigner, you must carry your foreigner registration card or passport with you at all times and cops have a legal right to stop any foreigner and ask for that card or passport at any time. In fact on my first day there I was asked for my passport however over the course of another 2 years I was never asked again and never had any problems. Now, Japan obviously is not the United States but the policy is similar and works. Furthermore as a foreigner I did not have a problem with it because I was legal!

 

[titeguy3]

Japan doesn't have as much trouble with illegal immigration as other countries for obvious reasons.

 

[therage800]

But my point was just that the system is accepted.