Re: [PSX/PC] Alternate F...

[ste459]

Thanks for your kind reply.
(and your math expression is written way better than mine ;D )

For some reason I can't made this code to work, I entered it and at the beginning and called it with the line: CommonScript.TryCriticalHitAdjusted(_v); but I always get an error from Compiler because commonscript.cs does not contain a definition for TryCriticalHitAdjusted.

My commonscript.cs file looks like that (but I tried to insert the code in different positions with the same result):

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using System;using Memoria.Data;namespace Memoria.Scripts.Battle{ public static class CommonScript {  public const String InfoMessageColor = "[00FFFF]";  public const String GoodMessageColor = "[00FFFF]";  public const String BadMessageColor = "[FF4040]"; }  public abstract class BaseWeaponScript : IBattleScript {  private readonly BattleCalculator _v;  private readonly CalcAttackBonus _bonus;  private readonly Boolean _drain; public static void TryCriticalHitAdjusted(BattleCalculator _v) {  Int32 quarterWill = _v.Caster.Data.elem.wpr >> 2;  if (quarterWill != 0 && (GameRandom.Next16() % quarterWill) + _v.Caster.Data.critical_rate_deal_bonus + _v.Target.Data.critical_rate_receive_bonus > GameRandom.Next16() % 100)  {   _v.Target.HpDamage = (Int32)(_v.Target.HpDamage / 4f + Math.Min(15000, _v.Target.HpDamage) / 4f + Math.Min(10000, _v.Target.HpDamage) / 2f);   // Do the same for "_v.Target.MpDamage"; apparently you don't use "_v.Context.Attack" in your situation when the critical strike triggers   _v.Target.Flags |= CalcFlag.Critical;  } }  protected BaseWeaponScript(BattleCalculator v, CalcAttackBonus bonus, Boolean drain = false)  {   _v = v;   _bonus = bonus;   _drain = drain;  }  public virtual void Perform()  {   if (_drain && (!_v.IsCasterNotTarget() || !_v.Target.CanBeAttacked()))    return;   _v.PhysicalAccuracy();   if (!_v.TryPhysicalHit())    return;      if (_bonus != CalcAttackBonus.Level)    _v.WeaponPhysicalParams(_bonus);   else   {    Int32 baseDamage = GameRandom.Next16() % (1 + (_v.Caster.Level + _v.Caster.Strength >> 3));    _v.Context.AttackPower = _v.Caster.WeaponPower;    _v.Target.SetPhysicalDefense();    if (_v.Caster.Weapon == (RegularItem)256)    {     _v.Context.AttackPower += 3 * _v.Caster.Level / 4;     if (_v.Target.IsPlayer && _v.Target.PlayerIndex == CharacterId.Garnet)      _v.Target.Flags |= CalcFlag.HpRecovery;    }    else    {     _v.Context.AttackPower += _v.Caster.Level / 2;    }    _v.Context.Attack = _v.Caster.Strength + baseDamage;   }      if (_v.Caster.IsUnderAnyStatus(BattleStatus.Mini))    _v.Context.Attack = 1;   if (_v.Caster.IsUnderAnyStatus(BattleStatus.Berserk))    ++_v.Context.DamageModifierCount;   if (_v.Caster.IsUnderAnyStatus(BattleStatus.Trance))    ++_v.Context.DamageModifierCount;   if (_v.Target.IsUnderAnyStatus(BattleStatus.Defend))    --_v.Context.DamageModifierCount;   if (_v.Target.IsUnderAnyStatus(BattleStatus.Protect))    --_v.Context.DamageModifierCount;   if (_v.Target.IsUnderAnyStatus(BattleStatus.Sleep))    ++_v.Context.DamageModifierCount;   if (_v.Target.IsUnderAnyStatus(BattleStatus.Mini))    ++_v.Context.DamageModifierCount;   if (_drain)    _v.PrepareHpDraining();  CommonScript.TryCriticalHitAdjusted(_v);     if (_v.Caster.Weapon == (RegularItem)15)  {            _v.CalcDamageCommon();            _v.Target.HpDamage = _v.Context.EnsureAttack * _v.Context.EnsurePowerDifference;                  if (_v.Target.Flags != 0)                  {                    Single modifier_factor = 1.0f;                    Single modifier_bonus = 0.5f;                    Byte modifier_index = 0;                        if (_v.Caster.IsUnderAnyStatus(BattleStatus.Trance) && _v.Caster.PlayerIndex == CharacterId.Steiner)                            modifier_bonus = 1.0f;                        while (_v.Context.DamageModifierCount > 0)                        {                            modifier_factor += modifier_bonus;                            modifier_index++;                            if (modifier_index >= 2)                            {                                modifier_bonus *= 0.5f;                                modifier_index = 0;                            }                            --_v.Context.DamageModifierCount;                        }                     while (_v.Context.DamageModifierCount < 0)                     {                        modifier_factor *= 0.5f;                        ++_v.Context.DamageModifierCount;                     }                     if ((_v.Target.Flags & CalcFlag.HpAlteration) != 0)                     {                        _v.Target.HpDamage = (Int32)Math.Round(modifier_factor * _v.Target.HpDamage);   if ((_v.Target.HpDamage > 9999) && (_v.Target.HpDamage < 15001))    _v.Target.HpDamage = 9999 + (_v.Target.HpDamage - 9999) / 2;   if (_v.Target.HpDamage > 15000)    _v.Target.HpDamage = 12500 + (_v.Target.HpDamage - 15000) / 4;                        if ((_v.Target.Flags & CalcFlag.HpRecovery) != 0)                        {                        _v.Target.HpDamage = btl_para.SetRecover(_v.Target, (UInt32)_v.Target.HpDamage);               _v.Target.FaceTheEnemy();                        }                     }        }      }  else  {   _v.CalcPhysicalHpDamage();  }   if (_drain)    _v.Caster.HpDamage = _v.Target.HpDamage;  } }}

Sorry if I bother you again, I have no programming experience and maybe I got lost in a trivial problem.

Another question, does this code replaces the "standard" critical hit function? I already tried before to emulate the critical hit function (in a much more basic manner) and I ended with 2 different kind of criticals, one triggered by my function plus the standard *2 one

Thanks again!!

 

[htcsau5]

i had removed my original post, as i decided to venture on and give it a full shot. i think it has been okay, but i do want to reiterate some of my removed points as feedback.

*SPOILERS*

i am currently escaping alexandria, at the freya/steiner/x and zidane/garnet/vivi split.

i firmly believe that item spamming is not a beneficial method of difficulty scaling. it just isn't that fun. i am going through potions and phoenix downs like crazy. i've never had to buy phoenix downs in a final fantasy before, that i can recall. there's several reasons why i am having to:

1. i just don't know all the modifications. before, i could go up to an enemy and know 'okay, i need to use one zidane attack, a vivi spell, and freya hit, then quina can eat it.' 'okay, we need to steal three pieces of gear from this boss. oh shit, they only have two and i just died because zidane wasted a turn.' now, it is all brand new to me. so, things throw me off. and that's totally fine, that's the entire point! it is a learning experience. i happily embrace that. i read the entire first post, and then completely forgot pinions are meant to remove doom. a certain... boss fight or two left me blowing through phoenix downs and just barely hanging on, with multiple attempts. then, about the third time, i just happened to have my <select> button info while i hovered over pinions, and i realized.

2. a lot of unique encounters seem scripted. *SPOILERS AGAIN* zorn and thorn don't seem to care if you mitigate their power, one of them can inflict blind on everyone but i think vivi. the other uses its spell and does like trouble or something. and you're left spamming eye drops with vivi since i think it is scripted to not apply to him, or maybe it is scripted to apply to 3/4 of the party. both attempts, i had to item spam with vivi. i finished with just zidane and steiner alive.

   another example, the first or second freya/x bandersnatch battle. x gets instantly confused, and kills themself. i did not have to do this more than once, but i am 100% sure that is always going to happen, every single time. maybe the attack can miss? i suppose i understand that it is a challenge mod, but when i can smell the contrived nature, i just don't know... what if i had run out of phoenix downs and pinions at this point? i think i would have to reload all the way to the beginning of cleyra. were that the case, thank heavens i use a new save almost every moogle, but it would still be a pretty big buzzkill.


it seems like random encounter rate is increased. using 60 fps, my previous playthrough i could go screen after screen without any fights. now, it seems even on 60 fps it is more akin to the psx version. perhaps that is fair, i have just turned off random battles when i'm not trying to eat with quina. i don't try to avoid every single bit of exp i can, but i do try to keep it minimal til i grab better spirit gear.

quina's changes are interesting. i still think she feels awkward early on, but it's fun to try. giving her shapeshift is really cool, and the animation is pretty dope. i don't recognize it, personally.

i wish zidane's thievery was still in the mod. i've back row'ed him the whole playthrough, and think this is the perfect atmosphere to actually rely on him as an item thief in all battles, knowingly or unknowingly boosting his ultimate skill. i was stealing every normal fight until i realized there's no thievery. that being said, his access to some damage and additional utility early on is a great addition.

i think you buffed chocographs in hot and cold? i seemed to get the first eight really fast. like, 12-15 attempts. i'm curious to see how much of the treasure has changed. i think i'm missing bio from oak staff?? which is somewhat noticeable, since it was kinda broken in vanilla as early as you could get it. i actually had to use blizzara in cleyra haha. i think this is cool and i embrace that re-balance. the vivi attack-command alteration from memoria seems to only use blizzard, regardless of weakness. might be a discrepancy between the codes, or just to try and hit the new freeze added effect. not sure, but he's doing some weak numbers with it. it is nice for trying to time quina eats, since they are relatively weak.

abilities as a whole seem like a welcome change. i do want to mention, again, the contrived nature of having zero bright eyes access and having that altered zorn and thorn mechanic. you should allow the player even the slightest opportunity to prepare themself. i know i have every item available in the game thus far, besides any tantarion drop, and there are no opportunities to learn that ability.


my ultimate analysis so far is there are some really good QoL changes outside of battle, and perhaps even in random battles. my jury is still out on some of your boss changes. once there's a stable white mage, i'll revisit this. i don't like an item spam meta, but i do respect that there's a limited number of ways to adjust battle in this game and make it unique.

one thing i've really learned to do, using the memoria 3 battle speed, is to always open a secondary window and just await queued inputs. it almost begs for you to use the ffx style turn-based system available in memoria, but i haven't committed to that yet. but, opening and closing and a target or skill window definitely helps your ability to react on the fly. every command can matter, from what i've seen.

i know this took a ton of time and i thank you, and i'm gonna continue to the end, see what else lies in store.

 

[Sohnii]

Is the Beatrix only Mod still available to play? or is it only the 1 main alternate Fantasy mod now? I'm a little confused on this?

 

[htcsau5]

Is the Beatrix only Mod still available to play? or is it only the 1 main alternate Fantasy mod now? I'm a little confused on this?

Beatrix Mod is available as a standalone. You can install it from the Memoria Mod Manager.

 

[DamSF]

Hello, I'm trying to use the Beatrix-only mod but when I recruit her she has White Magic abilities but no Seiken abilities. The Seiken menu is completely empty. Is there a file/files I can modify on my end to fix this? Or drag/drop from the AF mod to replace the older Beatrix-only version?

Was facing the same problem, but keep playing and eventually you will get some Knight swords (Ragnarok for example) that teach her Seiken abilities.

 

[Dorklord]

Hi Tirlititi,

I've started playing AF again, did a new reinstall with everything, but I have a problem with the Tantalus characters. None of Cinna, Marcus or Blank are getting healed between the battles in Alexandria, nor can they be healed by tents when put into the party with the all characters available option in the Memoria.ini.

I've read on the Memoria github that this was corrected in the newest Memoria release to accomodate new characters like Lani and Fratley, but as far as I can tell, that's what I'm using and it's happening to the Tantalus characters. This makes the early battles quite a bit harder. Any ideas what might be causing it? Any script I could look for in Memoria to fix this without going through every field in the game with HWS?

Thanks!

 

[gunner_1207]

i really wanna play this mod but can't get it to even load. as soon as i press play the whole launcher just quits I've tired various loading orders for the mods i have through Memoria. not that i have many. its just so frustrating if I untick alternate fantasy the game loads no problem.

these are the mods i am running with

 

[gunner_1207]

Nevermind given up , playing david bowie mod instead

 

[OLKv3]

I just finished this mod and have to comment on it.
I like what you did with Zidane. He's an excellent support and damage character now, perfect in his MC role. Zidane with Chemist was really helpful

I was fine with the difficulty, but I have to say the endgame is really hard on Vivi. Having Necron absorb damn near everything just made me rely on Steiner, Beatrix, and Eiko for the endgame, since she can up their attack and they can easily hit 9999 over and over again. Kuja going pissy boss mode and countering every attack with Curaga and the full party drain was a bit ridiculous too. Ozma basically forced auto reflect since there's no guard against Berserk, so him hitting that basically meant game over

Despite those complaints, I only died on Ozma lol. I had a fun time, but it's funny that even with this mod, even with all the buffs to Freya and Amarant, my endgame party was still Eiko, Zidane/Quina, and the 2 knights. Shock just can't be beaten in FF9, especially now that I have 2 of them

 

[Yosharian]

I'm confused by the fact that the Abilities spreadsheet lists Steal as a Short Range ability, yet when I place Zidane in the back row he is still able to steal successfully?

My modlist is:

1 PSX Sounds
2 Alternate Fantasy
3 Moguri Beta 9

 

[Ethario]

Mod broke for me after memoria update today

 

[Tirlititi]

Sorry, there was a couple of hours with a mismatch between the update of Memoria and the update of Alternate Fantasy; they had to be simultaneously updated this time. Now if you update both Memoria and AF with the latest versions (v2024-08-18 for Memoria and v6.6 for AF), it should work fine.

Most of the time, updates of Memoria shouldn't break compatibility with mods, even heavy gameplay mods like AF, but sometimes we cannot avoid breaking the compatibility (this time, we didn't break compatibility with Trance Seek for example, only AF).

(I answered Yosharian a while ago on Discord but the "Short Range" attacks can still be performed on the back row, that's normal: it's only that they cannot reach far-away enemies like Deathguise and that they deal less damage from the back row, just like the attack command in vanilla)

 

[Asmorano]

Hello! I’ve been playing Alternate Fantasy and liking it quite a bit: I especially appreciate how Quinta’s Blue Magic is more interesting now, and how regular encounters are more than just bland one shots.

I just completed the first Zorn and Thorn fight though, and it was really bizarre I was wondering if you could explain what’s supposed to be going on in that fight?

Basically, both kept casting “power zorn” and “power thorn” and I’m sure it did something, but I have no idea what. Then they just spammed “Catastophe” over and over; I figured out towards the end that this might be a counterattack? But sometimes they cast it without me attacking. Anyway, it was devestating: blind is horrible to deal with in this version because your items no longer target correctly. Anyway, I held on and eventually they ran out of MP and I killed them, but that feels like a really lame way to beat them, and I’m sure I was doing something wrong?

The only other thing they cast was “Jinx” from time to time, which bizarrely used a dummy animation which just said “dummy” in English and Japanese. That feels like a mistake, right? Jinx also didn’t seem to do anything, but then one of my characters would die randomly after I attacked Zorn or Thorn, so I’m guessing that’s what Jinx did?

I’m just not sure what that battle was actually supposed to be like, because my experience didn’t feel very rewarding or very intended. Can anyone help fill me in?

 

[Tirlititi]

Hello Asmorano.

That's not a counter-attack, just their unique attack (one of them casts Catastrophe, the other casts Jinx). It is not that unusual to have them run out of MP but indeed that's the most unsatisfying way to get through this battle. Blind is meant to be that annoying, although there are tips to mitigate its effect (only use items on yourself or use them on the only character on your left/right) and the accuracy malus is negated by using things like Free Energy or Quadraslash.
Jinx is indeed a very special ability. The "dummy" effect is the only spell visual effect that is in the game's database but never used and it was used for debugging purpose, but I found it fitting for this fight. It's not exactly Trouble that they inflict to you (they don't attack physically) but it's another kind of damage spreading status, indeed.

There are a couple of fights that have gimmicks like that. The intent there is to make the fight much easier by understanding the gimmick, but also to make it possible to win without understanding the gimmick, so it's not blocking.

There's another occasion to fight Zorn & Thorn in which they have similar abilities, much later in the game. Maybe you'll get it better by then.

 

[qwepoi]

Hello. I think I encountered a bug with status ailments during the Necron battle. It seems the move Grand Cross bypasses status ailment immunities (e.g. got petrified with Jelly on). Not sure if anyone has encountered this. Also, I can't remove status ailments with Esuna / remedy / corresponding item since it keeps missing (maybe since I was supposed to be immune in the first place?). Tried reinstalling the mod but doesn't seem to work. Did anyone encounter this issue as well?

 

[keomaa]

can i have the hws save for this 6.6 version?

 

[Tirlititi]

Hello qwepoi. Sorry I didn't see your message earlier.
That's a totally normal behaviour for this final boss:

Spoiler

Fate Cross inflicts 1 status ailment that cannot be bypassed to each character. When moving to the next stage (ie. Necron loses an elemental orb), it casts Fate Cross again, which shuffle these statuses amongst the characters. Only for the final phase, all of these statuses are cleared.

 

[Andy]

I was wary of posting this, as this the mod has clearly been working for lots of people for years - but I genuinely seem to be having an issue with it.

I've done a Moguri mod playthrough before, but decided to add Alternate Fantasy in this time (all done through the most up to date Memoria launcher).
It was all a clean install, including FF9 on Steam, and then the mods. The only mods I have installed are AF, Moguri, and Moguri 30fps cutscenes. The mod order is using the Memoria "auto" option.

In the first fight with Baku, after the ATB charges for about 5 seconds, the ATB's "freeze", and all the characters on screen begin looping their animation.
The game hasn't frozen, I can still pause / unpause, try to escape (this animation works fine), Alt + F4 brings up the quit confirmation. The combat itself never progresses.

I've tried re-installing and re-ordering the mods, but to no avail. If I uninstall AF, the fight works fine.

Anyone had a similar issue, or any ideas on how to resolve?

 

[Solidus2kill09]

Nice work, man! Is this mod only for the english version of the game or also for others?

Some of your new abilities sound interesting, but I'm worried about Zidane's ability to go into trance automatically. That seems way overpowered to me (unless you really downgraded the power of his dyne skills a lot and/or increased their MP cost).

I'm curious about having weapons be usable by several party members, does their "stance" in or their attack movement in battle really support that? I've never tried that myself because I thought the in-battle models might look awkward (imagine Eiko holding a big sword and attacking with it, lol). I'm trying to imagine how Dagger would look holding a dagger.

I didn't even know about a dummied-out minigame in the original! What exactly is it and when and where can you play it?

I'll look into it as soon as I find some spare time.

Hello ! I have problem with alternate fantasy, battles keep freezing and atb does not move after a while ( I am on the tantalus first 2 minutes ). How can I solve it?

 

[Tirlititi]

Hello.
Yes, there has been problems with Alternate Fantasy for the past few days, since the latest release of Memoria. That version of Memoria (v2025.05.12) broke compatibility with a few mods, including Alternate Fantasy, and we had to update them.

So now, Alternate Fantasy should be compatible again, but you need to have everything updated: Memoria v2025.05.12 and Alternate Fantasy v6.8.
Alternatively, you should have no problem if you kept Alternate Fantasy v6.6 and Memoria v2024.12.04, but rather update everything.