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I am by no means an expert on evolution or creationism, but I think that many people undermine the concept of evolution.

When people say evolution happened by "chance", that's only half true. Yes, it was chance that organisms appeared in different types of environments, but it is not by chance they evolved the way they did. People sometimes ask me "Well, how can everything be so perfect and symmetrical if evolution was so random?". Well, if you look at the situation from a logical perspective, would it make sense if things were not symmetrical? Could you imagine the instability of having only one leg in the center of your body? Could you imagine the limited eye-sight of only one eye in the center of your head? Symmetric anatomy is a cornerstone of adaptation and fitness in the environment.

Organisms evolved the way they did to adapt to their environments and survive accordingly. If, for some reason, an animal's prey moves out of the animal's ecosystem (be it weather or environmental changes that forces it to move), the animals that follow the prey will be the ones that survive. If their prey happened to move to a desert environment from a swamp-like environment (unlikely, but plausible), the animals best fit for that environment would flourish.

For example,  these Ibex: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Ibexes.jpg (image courtesy of Wikipedia).

Those Ibex are virtually invisible in their environment. Naturally, if they were in a forested area, their brown color would stick out like a sore thumb. Say that this animal's ancestor had a dark brown and black embossed coating to fit in with a forested area, but they had to migrate to a desert environment in search of food. Naturally, the animals with the light-brown coat traits would be harder to see and would thrive, while the Ibex whose coat was dark brown would stand out easier to predators. Prime example of survival of the fittest.

.... And honestly,... Can you tell me you don't see an uncanny resemblance to humans when you look at most apes? In my opinion, apes are living proof that evolution happens, and it's not simply "chance" that we evolve the way we do. Suppose again, for some reason, that chimps, orangutans, or whatever were forced to leave the trees and live on the land due to environmental disaster or lack of a food source. If these apes had to evolve to fit a land environment, they would need to adapt. Naturally, their feet would have to become more apt for running,... Just like a man's. They'd need to become lean and swift, rather than bulky. But most of all, the apes would have to rely on their mind in this new environment, which I think is how humans came to be. There is a lot more information that this Wikipedia article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_ancestor could tell you than I could ever try to explain. But, if you look at the skulls of pre-homo sapiens you probably couldn't tell much of a difference from chimp skulls.
 
I understand species evolving to better adapt much like the Ibex picture you posted.  I don't understand why we no longer see half man half apes.  If this happened at one time because apes needed to adapt, why do apes no longer need to become humans?  If the evolution of all beings came from a single celled organism, shouldn't all the "in between" species that attempted to evolve still exist and be happening? http://www.alistreview.com/uploads/evolution.jpg.   There is indeed evidence of beings existing that resemble both humans and apes, but why are they no longer around.  If evolving doesn't happen instantaneously there would have to have been a lot of neanderthals to carry on their species. Yet only the beginning neanderthal's (apes) and end neanderthals (humans) were fit enough to survive?

That seems to contradict the entire purpose behind evolution. 

Lol, maybe I should find a board based on evolution vs. creationism to get answers.  I don't think a final fantasy board is going to be too much help haha  :-D
 
As far as I know, there's no universal conclusion as to the disappearance of pre-homo sapiens, but the general consensus, last I checked, was that homo sapiens eventually replaced the other homo species by using all the food and environmental sources by using their more capable minds. It pretty much falls in with the original "survival of the fittest" argument, supposing that the other species could not compete with modern humans due to their inferior intellect.

Apes don't continue to evolve because they're not forced to. They're perfectly suited for their habitats and don't need to evolve. Something has to happen to cause a species to adapt; some kind of environmental change or supply change. So, if the apes of today aren't forced to move out of their environments as a whole, then why would they need to evolve?
 
I'm not sure I follow why only the pre-homo sapiens would then go extinct and not other animals as well.

I can understand with our rapid overtaking of the Earth species are not having enough time to adapt and evolve to these conditions we are forcing them to live in, but are there any facts on what caused apes to adapt on a massive scale like that?  Why were fish forced to evolve into reptiles and/or mammals?  Or vice versa?
 
Well, the homo sapiens were in direct competition with the other homo species, unlike other animals. As shown by the food chain, there are always less predators than there are prey. In this case, there's less of the homo genus than what they're preying on. However, this doesn't mean there was enough food to go around for everyone. They had to work to get their food, and it just happened that the homo sapiens were the best at doing just that.

To be honest, I'm not sure that apes went through the evolution cycle on a massive scale. There are many possible ways that the evolution could have taken place, whether it be a few apes that were forced to evolve, or many. I'm just not sure on that one, I guess I'll look it up whenever.

Now, as far as the evolutionary cycle from water to land, I think the most popular theory is that fish used fins to move in mud and murky water. Fish that had larger and more dynamic fins were more successful swimmers, thus more successful in getting food. The trait for fins was naturally passed down through the fish that lived to breed, hence natural selection. The fins would continue to develop through the generations until there were legs.

That's about all I know on the subject without looking too far into it.
 
Very interesting facts, though we know all of them(I mean that we evolved out of apes), we still oversee some aftermaths.(I mean that I know THAT we evolved out of apes but I never questioned WHY, although I know that organisms adapt on their environment).
Good that Slash posted it so nice :-D
And if we connect evolution to Christianity, we see that their theory of only humans having a soul is complete nonsense. We evolved out of animals, so they must have a soul too. Animals evolved out of blue-green algae, which are cyanobacteria and which cant be larger than a few micrometer. We see that even such little bacteria must have a soul, so everything that "lives" should contain a soul: humans, animals, plants....The "Lifestream" flows everywhere^^ :-)
 
I just wanted to say, next time you want to put something in that was said by another person use the insert quote function^^
I hope that wasn't pointed at me seeing as I clearly spelt "offtopic" not "quote".

I do know how BB code works.
 
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A slightly related, and very, very hilarious link that a friend sent me.

I figured that some of you might enjoy it.  :-D
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Lol, I've only read a little bit but those quotes are hilarious...and sad at the same time.  I refuse to believe people can be that ignorant and close-minded.  Please tell me at least some of them are made up....please.  There's even one guy saying we should revert back to having slavery.     

Sigh :|
 
oh man these quotes are an overkill :]

let's hope these fools will become extinct one day :]
 
Btw, your argument about holes in evolution reminded me of this.

Theory: When I jump in the air, I float off into the sky.
Observation: I don't float off, I come back down to earth.

Because the atheist cannot prove beyond doubt that there is a force of gravity pulling me back down, God exists - and is pulling everyone down.  :?

Welcome to Intelligent Falling.  :-D


Thanks Jari, thought you might like it, you seem to be in a bit of a lolcat phase.  :-D

0wned
 
I'm a christian. Please don't hate me lol. I drink, curse, have casual sex, but I don't smoke (used to he, he). I believe everyone is evolving their own "truths" in life based on what they experience. And the more fed up on it we become, the harder it is to change our minds. And it is our "truths" that separate us and creates hatred and love for each other. We fear the unknown, but at the same time struggle to adjust. Mankind surely is a paradox. The hatred/disrespect for other's "truths" will always exists, 'cause there is only one truth. Your own. Amen lol!
 
Believe in science progression, and think about what happens tomorrow. Religion or not, we must find the way that guide us to better life. Religion is just an istitution, but all must respect what other thinks and no excuse.
 
'cause there is only one truth. Your own. Amen lol!
Philosophy…but untrue. There is but one ultimate truth, however, this ultimate truth may not be in the mind of some as they may be ignorant to it. Most can only believe what they believe to be true but odds are, they don't know the ultimate truth. Odds are, no human know and never will know. Human existence will end before that time comes. Humans only have approximately 126,000 years before their next known evolutionary accent.

Now, maybe the Planet does have a Spirit and without the Spirit, the planet dies.  Maybe, when people die, their spirits return to the planet unless they are too stubborn and stay as ghosts, which doesn't last forever.

It's been scientifically proven that the Earth will die of natural causes in about 4 billion years, one billion years before the sun turns Giant and melts the Earth to nothingness. How will it die of natural causes you ask? The tectonic plates, that so graciously generate it's magnetic field, will cease movement, the Earth's core with cool and the Earth with become barren, cold and dead, like Mars (yes, Mars is a dead planet). It may even shrink a little! With it, all life on Earth will die…

…this is assuming Earth lives to see a natural death of course

It also has been scientifically proven the a spirit is actually a person's magnetic field. When a person dies, they no longer provide a magnetic field, however, their magnetic field can still exist in a separate form, a ghost, which are conscious mind you. Ghosts connect themselves to objects when the magnetic field of the individual's or individuals' magnetic fields were strongest at the time, however, exist in loops, reliving a certain time over and over again. It's also possible for one ghost to show multiple images of others, even if those others are still alive. An Example of this would be if a serial killer murders someone. That someone, if the even was 'recorded' by the magnetic field of the victim, could create and image of the serial killer in the event loop, while the serial killer is still alive.

Destroying what the ghosts have attached to with cause them to go away in some cases, however, ghosts can not haunt forever as the Earth's Magnetic Field with eventually absorb it though it depends on the magnetic field of the individual.

Spirits are not to be confused with souls as they are not the same. A soul is your essence and heart, while your spirit is your "bio" energy or as I've been saying your Magnetic Field.

Unfortunately, Souls have not been Scientifically proven yet though some believe that The Brain is just the controller for your soul to control the body though not perfectly as some information doesn't get through cause the Brain doesn't comprehend all the commands the Soul has given it though a body can function fine without a soul though can't function without a spirit.

Well, you can either take this as truth or as BS as that's entirely up to you but I see there may be some truth in this, however, does that mean the existence of a Life-stream? Maybe! An existence of God? Don't know though if there were a divine being, I believe there would me multiple Gods or just powerful creatures/aliens claiming to be Gods, all of which were born within the Universe, not the creators of the Universe which I doubt there was any life that can defy the laws of physics.

I also believe that Religion has become obsolete and eventually, religion will be abandoned in the future though that may be wishful thinking. Some of Shaman-ism being an exception as I've seen truth in it.
 
I really hope I don't get flamed for this, but, why is there a conversation about religion happening on qhimm?

Couldn't people simply state whether or not they agree with the black caped man's belief, or if they disagree, instead of rejecting other people's faiths to get there point across?

I myself have no faith, but the life stream idea is as valid as christianity.
That's all I'm saying, and from what I've read on this topic so far, I apologise in advance if saying it may be a valid theory offends anyone. :-)
 
It's been scientifically proven that the Earth will die of natural causes in about 4 billion years, one billion years before the sun turns Giant and melts the Earth to nothingness.
O RLY? Link to this scientific proof, please.


How will it die of natural causes you ask? The tectonic plates, that so graciously generate it's magnetic field,
No they don't. Currently it's thought that the liquid outer core generates the magnetic field. Unless you have some new evidence for us?


will cease movement, the Earth's core with cool and the Earth with become barren, cold and dead, like Mars (yes, Mars is a dead planet). It may even shrink a little! With it, all life on Earth will die…
I'm not sure whether you have noticed, but currently it's widely thought that Mars is not within the habitable zone in our solar system, which might have a teeny weeny bit more to do with Mars having no life, than the fact that it does not have a decent magnetic field (or especially the fact that its core is not producing heat).

Also, Earth's core cooling has next to nothing to do with Earth becoming cold. Compared to heat from solar radiation, heat from Earth's core is thought to be rather negligible. Unless again, you have proof of the opposite?


It also has been scientifically proven the a spirit is actually a person's magnetic field.
Well, sh*t. Link please.

Spewing nonsense is one thing, claiming it as 'scientifically proven' is just f***ing stupid.
 
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If its really possible to predict Earth's demise then we'll all be gone in 19 years folks:

I was watching the news the other day and they had a story on how in the year 2027 there will be a meteor which will circle around the earth and create 100ft tidal waves around the world. I think we once had a meteor engraving with an aperture of 50m or so and it destroyed everything in a radius of 500km I think. This meteor has a size thats comparable to New York, meaning if it pursues there will be nothing left. Even if it misses, after another 7 years the same meteor will be sucked in by the suns gravitational force and circle back around and come by earth again. So bye-bye world.........
 
It's not like humans won't do anything to stop that from happening tho (if it's even REAL, and not just a exaggeration...).

You know, we'll send Bruce Willis or something... :roll:
 
I was watching the news the other day and they had a story on how in the year 2027 there will be a meteor which will circle around the earth and create 100ft tidal waves around the world. I think we once had a meteor engraving with an aperture of 50m or so and it destroyed everything in a radius of 500km I think. This meteor has a size thats comparable to New York, meaning if it pursues there will be nothing left. Even if it misses, after another 7 years the same meteor will be sucked in by the suns gravitational force and circle back around and come by earth again. So bye-bye world.........
Oh man.

Why don't people ever check up whether these interesting news reports have any truth in any them?

No, 1999 AN 10 will not "circle" earth, just pass it. No, 1999 AN 10 most certainly will not create tidal waves of 100 millimeters,  much less 100ft. Why? Because it's about 800-1800 meters in diameter, and more importantly has very little mass, if compared to say... moon, for example. It has a tiny chance of getting caught in Earth's gravity in a way that would make it hit on its next pass. In 2039. Which, by the way, is 12 years after the 2027 pass. NASA estimates that the chance is now 1 in 10 million. So, I guess it's like Dirty Harry would say; "Do you feel lucky, punk?".

And gee, what I just typed has been known since 1999. So it's not exactly hard to check using the mysterious Google.

EDIT: AND IT BLOODY WELL IS NOT COMPARABLE TO NEW YORK IN SIZE, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS RECENTLY SHRUNK NEW YORK.
 
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