Ripping Model rule discussion (closed)

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that is not what I meant.  The punishment for those is different but they are ALL CRIMES.  They don't turn a blind eye to mugging any more than they do murder.
 
Bottom line here is, Square considers any tearing apart of their games illegal, whether it actually is or not. It doesn't matter if content is ported or made from scratch. The best anyone can do is not do something too blatantly terrible like porting half the game into FF7. Regardless, this rule is a forum rule and not a legal rule and must be followed (at least if you plan on staying here at Qhimm)

Does anymore need to be said, really? This topic ought to be locked.
 
I originally wasn't going to post here and just read it, but after seeing "get over it learn to make models yourself" like 10 times i have to say:

Why in the hell would i want to spend months upon months just trying to LEARN HOW to mod and THEN actually learn how to make it good enough to actually put it in the game?

It would take too long for someone to even learn how to do it properly and then make a model that is good enough to put in the game compared to someone like APZ who can do it in a fraction of the time due to his time spent doing so BEFOREHAND

(BTW I'm typing in caps just to get eyes focused on them, I'm not as angry as it looks)

And talk of doing so is forbidden as well? That seems downright ludicrous, we used to be able to just tell others how we ripped the models that looked professional and used them in the game because we wanted others to enjoy them as well

and screenshots too? that is actually more ridiculous than talking about it.

To those who agree with halkun, its not that i believe you are wrong. But don't you guys think that copywright laws are going too far? its one thing to claim a work as your own, or to distribute without permission.

but it is something entirely different when even free speech seems to be taken away (with rule 1)

And just clarify this for me: did halkun get Qhimm's approval of making new rules? or does being a mod entitle you to make your own? (its a serious question, I'm not being condescending)
 
Bottom line here is, Square considers any tearing apart of their games illegal, whether it actually is or not. It doesn't matter if content is ported or made from scratch. The best anyone can do is not do something too blatantly terrible like porting half the game into FF7. Regardless, this rule is a forum rule and not a legal rule and must be followed (at least if you plan on staying here at Qhimm)

Does anymore need to be said, really? This topic ought to be locked.
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I originally wasn't going to post here and just read it, but after seeing "get over it learn to make models yourself" like 10 times i have to say:
Why in the hell would i want to spend months upon months just trying to LEARN HOW to mod and THEN actually learn how to make it good enough to actually put it in the game?
It would take too long for someone to even learn how to do it properly and then make a model that is good enough to put in the game compared to someone like APZ who can do it in a fraction of the time due to his time spent doing so BEFOREHAND
(BTW I'm typing in caps just to get eyes focused on them, I'm not as angry as it looks)
And talk of doing so is forbidden as well? That seems downright ludicrous, we used to be able to just tell others how we ripped the models that looked professional and used them in the game because we wanted others to enjoy them as well
and screenshots too? that is actually more ridiculous than talking about it.
To those who agree with halkun, its not that i believe you are wrong. But don't you guys think that copywright laws are going too far? its one thing to claim a work as your own, or to distribute without permission.
but it is something entirely different when even free speech seems to be taken away (with rule 1)
And just clarify this for me: did halkun get Qhimm's approval of making new rules? or does being a mod entitle you to make your own? (its a serious question, I'm not being condescending)
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Qhimm forums isn't going to take on the lawmakers about who has what rights and what can and can't be done.

This really needs to be locked now, I've read only 1 post against this new rule that sounded mature... Christ... :cry:
 
The problem is not necesarily the law (it might depending on the country, I don't know), but simply Square's over protection on their IPs. I you were to actually face them on the court, I bet you'd win. But who'd like to spend his time and money (quiet a lot of both) defending something that's merely his hobby? Square lawyers know it's extremly unlikely someone would actually fight back, so they can easily crush this site and any other through simple threatening. Not that they need to spend a cent.

I certainly can see why Halkun is adding this new rule. I'm by no means happy with it, but if he thinks it's needed to protect this site, the only thing I can say about it is "Roger".
 
Again, need to respect the rules of the forum, no matter if the rule was made by an admin or a moderator, so if you want to continue projects that goes against this new rule feel free to use my forums. Not to insult anyone, but unlike some I do have the testicular fortitude to stand up to companies when I know I'm in the right. No need to have a hissy fit over a forum rule when there's another forum you can use to avoid the rule. And no, I'm not trying to steal members, just giving an alternative to shutting down projects.
 
Not to insult anyone, but unlike some I do have the testicular fortitude to stand up to companies when I know I'm in the right.
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Does your testicular fortitude translate into money, should the need arise?

Because in the case of going to court over something, former does not mean very much without the latter.

And for what it's worth; Borde pretty much summed the issue up in his post.
 
No, but it translates into being well read on the copyright laws, having two uncles that are attorneys (one a county prosecutor) and a third that's a judge, as well as knowing the human psyche well enough to inspire the right amount of fear into a person without a single word in order to make them bend to your will a bit more easily. (You can learn the first part from law books and the last part from either psychology in college or joining the US ARMY, the drill sergeants use it all the time only coupled with threatening words.) You don't need money if you know what you're doing when it comes to court and lawyers, trust me, had 15 sheriffs fired and one jailed for criminal negligence after refusing my worthless brother emergency medical treatment after a car wreck. Turned out the pain my brother was claiming in his neck that their jail house medical examiner said was whiplash was actually 3 broken vertebrae in his neck, and the only money spent was on a few phone calls and about 10 sheets of paper with stamps.

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"Copyright" is written with an "R" not a "W".

It's a right to copy.
 
Eh, don't mind the typos, in a poker tournament online for real money, have to support the PPA you know.
 
copyright then.

I don't think i got an actual answer as to how qhimm feels about this new rule. not to say that he wouldn't approve, what i mean is that I'm not sure if he's seen it.

then again he doesn't post much and this is a pretty big thing here so i would believe that he has.

and by the way halkun, i do not take offense to your new rules or yourself, i just hate how much is being protected and how strictly. Copyright laws and internet security is become a big problem nowadays.

so i don't think that halkun is wrong for the new rules, my issue lies in square's obsession with people touching their merchandise.
 
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Guys, nobody is stopping you from porting. Nobody. You just can't talk or post about it here. I think maybe two people agree with Halkun, I don't myself (since as I've stated pretty much anything you mod can get you a C&D), but it's a forum. We've already had a couple cases of people being shelled C&Ds for porting KH material into FF7, and Halkun probably just doesn't want to deal with it.
Yes, it sucks. Sucks big time, half the forum's motivation probably just took a shit (so long FF7 remake). But the conditions of using this forum include following the rules. If you still want to port, that's cool, you just can't here. The internet is huge. Hint hint.

That is all.
 
I don't think i got an actual answer as to how qhimm feels about this new rule. not to say that he wouldn't approve, what i mean is that I'm not sure if he's seen it.
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This.
 
It's true that nobody's stopping us from modding/porting via this rule...It's just that whenever one thinks of an FF7 Remake, the first hope is Square Enix, the second is Qhimm. This place has become like the cornerstone for FF7 modifications and enhancements.

I mean seriously. Play the original game, then play it with all the current mods (available on these forums). The Qhimm community has made the game mindblowingly more enjoyable, playable, understandable, and has helped to keep it's popularity alive! I honestly wouldn't still be playing FF7 if it weren't for these forums.

I hope this doesn't discourage future successful modders like slayersnext, timu, apz, and millennia (to name a few).
 
Again, need to respect the rules of the forum, no matter if the rule was made by an admin or a moderator, so if you want to continue projects that goes against this new rule feel free to use my forums. Not to insult anyone, but unlike some I do have the testicular fortitude to stand up to companies when I know I'm in the right. No need to have a hissy fit over a forum rule when there's another forum you can use to avoid the rule. And no, I'm not trying to steal members, just giving an alternative to shutting down projects.
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It is sad it has to come to that but so be it....Rinoa seems to have made a forum too....so this is sorted.  The mods made his decision and thats usually the end of it sadly.
 
of course the old men didnt have to spend months working on their toys, a few days, maybe a week, but never MONTHS

and that is IF you know what you're doing.
 
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