The Squall's Dead Theory

[Furzball]

I think this thread needs to be changed to all final fantasy characters are dead.

So all final fantasy fans are technically necrophiliacs?

More importantly, does this mean that rule 34 on FF is illegal here in Britain? ;D (f*ck our draconian porn laws )

If it is, I'd better nuke some sections of my HDD (not many sections, however...)

Whosawhat? No porn in Britain. How're you guys supposed to wank?

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

I think this thread needs to be changed to all final fantasy characters are dead.

So all final fantasy fans are technically necrophiliacs?

More importantly, does this mean that rule 34 on FF is illegal here in Britain? ;D (f*ck our draconian porn laws )

If it is, I'd better nuke some sections of my HDD (not many sections, however...)

Whosawhat? No porn in Britain. How're you guys supposed to wank?

There's porn, but the former government took a dim view on kinky stuff and I doubt the current one will be any better. Extreme S&M, necrophilia and bestiality are all out, and British porn laws tend not to distinguish between real people and drawings. If all of the characters in FF are dead, then that means...

 

[Furzball]

I think this thread needs to be changed to all final fantasy characters are dead.

So all final fantasy fans are technically necrophiliacs?

More importantly, does this mean that rule 34 on FF is illegal here in Britain? ;D (f*ck our draconian porn laws )

If it is, I'd better nuke some sections of my HDD (not many sections, however...)

Whosawhat? No porn in Britain. How're you guys supposed to wank?

There's porn, but the former government took a dim view on kinky stuff and I doubt the current one will be any better. Extreme S&M, necrophilia and bestiality are all out, and British porn laws tend not to distinguish between real people and drawings. If all of the characters in FF are dead, then that means...

oh got ya. Jeez. My whole thing is if it's not made out to be "against the law" not as many people would feel like breaking it. Restrictions are a way to go but making stuff completely illegal will just make people want it more.

 

[DLPB_]

I have no issue with that, I think all porn should be banned from TV, if you want porn search for it yourself online.  That is the place for it, in your own time, not forcing it on a population who pay a tv license.  I also don't like the pron industry as a whole.  Sure I have watched porn but it was all free, it was not being paid for.  I find the whole thing immoral when it is big business.

/offtopic

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

I have no issue with that, I think all porn should be banned from TV, if you want porn search for it yourself online.  That is the place for it, in your own time, not forcing it on a population who pay a tv license.  I also don't like the pron industry as a whole.  Sure I have watched porn but it was all free, it was not being paid for.  I find the whole thing immoral when it is big business.

/offtopic

Ah, I see. When there's something I don't want to watch on TV, I just change the channel or turn the TV off (not that it's usually turned on in the first place). That "off" button is one of the best ways to stop people forcing porn on you, I find.

Also, I really don't think that such a subjective thing as "morality" (dangerously close to personal taste, usually with the backing of a religion) is a very good way to decide what it legal and what isn't. I also think that we've put ourselves on a very slippery slope by letting the unholy alliance of femnazis and christfags down in Westminster decide what we are and aren't allowed to do based on what they consider "immoral" or whatever, and we've put ourselves on a very slippery slope by getting into a way of thinking whereby we see fit to ban things simply because we don't like them even if they don't directly harm anyone.

Personally, I consider trying to force one's own prudishness on others to be immoral. Perhaps I should try to have it banned?

 

[Furzball]

Like your rebuke Kudistos.

@Seif
Well, here in the US most "porn" on television is only on pay for view channels. So still up to the person. Don't know how much you brits get in terms of porn on television.

In terms of it being a "big business" it just is taking a part of simple human nature just like food, water, and shelter; making it into a product. Sex can be the animalistic pleasure it is or it can be romantic, or whatever other fantasy you would like it to be.

/Topic HIJACKED

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

@Seif
Well, here in the US most "porn" on television is only on pay for view channels. So still up to the person. Don't know how much you brits get in terms of porn on television.

It's basically the same here; on "normal" channels there are occasionally (very) soft porn flicks, and we get those documentaries about sex that are really an excuse for more soft porn. Or we did, at any rate. I'm not sure whether that still happens any more; the last time I watched that kind of stuff was before broadband became nearly universal and everyone had access to far superior porn.

 

[smf052910]

Wow, this thread derailed hard.

Final Fantasy VIII -> Final Fantasy X(-2) -> Porn

 

[BlitzNCS]

Final Fantasy X-2 -> Porn

This is the only logical route any conversation can take, after FFX-2.

 

[Bosola]

The red wings got shot down. Cecil must be dreaming - going to the moon?

Bartz gets hit by a meteor. After spending so much time chained to his boring village, his response is to create a grand fantasy reaffirming his importance as a warrior of light.

Terra was killed by Quezacotl at Narshe. The rest of the game is a hallucination seeded by magitek, the artefacts of Kefka's torture, and the Magicite's presence.

Cloud got skewered by Sephiroth. The game is his own dream, finally granting him Hero status.

Squall's dead.

Zidane got his head crushed by Beatrix at the end of the first disc. Terra is his own projection, wondering where he'd come from.

Tidus was just a dream.

Reks was the real main character of XII. He couldn't internalize Gabranth's betrayal, so put together a parallel tale about his 'parallel twin' and Vaan.

Ramza was blown up at Ziekden fortress; Delita becomes his eroticized fantasy of a man who creates a better path for the nation.

Qhimm's dead; this is just a nightmare about forum life - endless iterations of borken board software, trolls, prats, spam, and crap.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

Qhimm's dead; this is just a nightmare about forum life - endless iterations of borken board software, trolls, prats, spam, and crap.

You could have saved time by just writing my name!

 

[smf052910]

Watch from 4:20.

It does seem like he is coming to terms with his own death.

 

[Krimson Hawk]

LULZ! I didn't even bother to quote all the funnies in this thread it's just lulz. As for FF8 and squall dying, yeah .... and Rinoa kisses his dead frozen lips in the end video after watching a shooting star, OR DID SHE?!?! Also in the end video you'll notice where an infinite time loop becomes possible for infinite FF8 sequels and that part is where Squall sees himself as a child and watched ultimecia give her entire power to matron, but she was possessed by ultimecia in squall's main time line? this is where everyone's head spins and can't make sense of it, cause it's a loophole and can't be made sense of. if you think about it, in THAT time line couldn't matron with the new powers of ultimecia be possessed by another ultimecia in a different time line? if there's a younger squall in another time dimension so to speak or in a past event that he was able to get to at the end of the game, then why is there only ONE ultimecia? shouldn't there be one for every instance of the past, present, future? unless of course squall was just dreaming this up? but do dead people dream? oh WAIT!! the fayth in FFX are dead and dreaming!? so I suppose it is possible, without going into all the crap in other FF's that make no sense, I came to one final conclusion about these games "Enjoy them if they're good, toss em' if you don't like em' but whatever you do... don't try to apply logic to them" except for the lulz, like now. ^.^

*Edit* If I was in an FF8 story line I would go back in time and beat the crap out of myself for dating my first gf, gawd I was such an idiot, I COULD CHANGE ALL THAT!!!

 

[Furzball]

*Edit* If I was in an FF8 story line I would go back in time and beat the crap out of myself for dating my first gf, gawd I was such an idiot, I COULD CHANGE ALL THAT!!!

Same with terminator and other time travel media. However I'd just go back in time and knock up my first gf. Probably it would teach my younger self some responsibility.

 

[blackdeathmessenger]

Hmm I for one actually agree with Tidus like the summons because he was also being summoned or is a dream of fayth like the summons.

Well, it could be true, but who knows, really. For all we know it could be something totally different then a direct summon by the Fayth. I just couldn't say what though.

Well. I think that since they portray him in the farplain in FFX-2 (endgame scenes not the one where shuyin shows up) that he obviously has a soul. So he had to have lived to some compacity. Everything in that world is made up of pyreflies just like how all living things in ff7 are made up of lifestream. So to that capacity of course tidus was alive.

... We may have to split this off into another discussion considering this thread is about squall. FFX Tidus being alive is a whole new discussion in of itself.

Back to the actual topic:

There's is really no way that Squall could be dead, and theories of other Final Fantasy Characters being dead (except for Tidus) are just crazy. There's a reason the word Fantasy is at the end of the name. The only reason it's called Final Fantasy is so the creator's could make one long Fantasy game, and not have to worry about making anything more the game (though in some cases they made a little more). It's called Fantasy so they can do some weird stuff and get away with it. Also, if Squall (or any of the other characters) were really dead, then why would there still be a game over/ you're dead screen? And don't you think it would have been part of the game? And about Tidus being dead, I think he was dead before the game started, and the Fayth just happen to choose him to go through time and help end their suffering (along with end the existence of Sin so there would be no more reason for them to continue being statues).

Edit: Like, what I mean is, that the Fayth were probably able to give him life once again, and were able to give him a physical form for a long enough time for him to do what they wanted him to do.

 

[Gemini]

But Tidus is never dead. He's born as a dream.

 

[blackdeathmessenger]

But Tidus is never dead. He's born as a dream.

Exactly what I mean. I just didn't put it so simply,lol.

 

[Chocobo_Girl]

There's a reason the word Fantasy is at the end of the name. The only reason it's called Final Fantasy is so the creator's could make one long Fantasy game, and not have to worry about making anything more the game (though in some cases they made a little more). It's called Fantasy so they can do some weird stuff and get away with it.

Actually, it was originally called Final Fantasy because Final Fantasy was going to be Square’s last game before their company died. It just happened to be a smashing hit so they continued the series.

Also, if Squall (or any of the other characters) were really dead, then why would there still be a game over/ you're dead screen? And don't you think it would have been part of the game?

In some cases, like the squallsdead theory, the creators will put some elements in a game that will hint at something (such as the main hero’s death) but will never explicitly say it. This is just a tactic to create controversy and debates about such games. I believe it worked. Maybe they didn't even intend to make it seem so. In which case they are probably all lulzing at us right nao.

Qhimm's dead; this is just a nightmare about forum life - endless iterations of borken board software, trolls, prats, spam, and crap.

SRS LULZ.

 

[blackdeathmessenger]

There's a reason the word Fantasy is at the end of the name. The only reason it's called Final Fantasy is so the creator's could make one long Fantasy game, and not have to worry about making anything more the game (though in some cases they made a little more). It's called Fantasy so they can do some weird stuff and get away with it.

Actually, it was originally called Final Fantasy because Final Fantasy was going to be Square’s last game before their company died. It just happened to be a smashing hit so they continued the series.

Also, if Squall (or any of the other characters) were really dead, then why would there still be a game over/ you're dead screen? And don't you think it would have been part of the game?

In some cases, like the squallsdead theory, the creators will put some elements in a game that will hint at something (such as the main hero’s death) but will never explicitly say it. This is just a tactic to create controversy and debates about such games. I believe it worked. Maybe they didn't even intend to make it seem so. In which case they are probably all lulzing at us right nao.

Qhimm's dead; this is just a nightmare about forum life - endless iterations of borken board software, trolls, prats, spam, and crap.

SRS LULZ.

Ok, well, all that makes sense, but I really don't think that Squall is dead in the game or anything. Yeah, everythign is weird, but that's just how some games are,lol.

 

[Chocobo_Girl]

It's just a theory, like Timu said, think whatever the heck you want of the game and enjoy it how you like.