The Squall's Dead Theory

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When it comes to fictional works, interpretation is all that really counts.  Any interpretation is acceptable as long as it can be justified with evidence and reasonable analysis, and as long as the author himself doesn't directly refute it.

Of course, with non-fictional works, it's different.  Interpreting it in whatever way suits you is not appropriate, because it's the truth that counts this time (whereas truth doesn't exist in the fictional world, because none of it is even real).

I would therefore not encourage any argument that Jesus is from the Matrix, because the bible is argued by many to be a factual account (at least to some degree) of religious history.  That, and also because the bible was written ages before the Matrix, so it would be grossly anachronistic.

By the way, Vincent is dead.  Seriously, how could he not be?  Hojo shoots him, he wakes up in a coffin five years later, and his second limit break turns him into Frankenstein's Monster.
 
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Doesn't work with Silent Hill 1 because of Silent Hill 3.
For everything else, if we assume everything that happens prior to the potential point of death to establish the tendencies of the characters and the rules of the universe, none of those really create any in-universe implausibility, with a noticeable shift in themes and relationships, following someones possible death.
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(i've yet to see one, the time loop is debatable but it's not a flaw in the plot, but more in the theory of time loops).
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I agree with that, it doesn't necessarily create 'flaws' more than it creates speculation because time loop is not possible in real life leaving the subject open to endless ideas. That's why to me it doesn't make sense to apply logic, I only brought it up because I've seen forums with several pages of different theories. technically a topic about the FF8 time loop would never end and thus should never begin lol
 
Vincent is dead.  Seriously, how could he not be?  Hojo shoots him, he wakes up in a coffin five years later, and his second limit break turns him into Frankenstein's Monster.
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This, not really on topic but how is it possible that vincent can fly?? Also I agree he's already dead and chaos is the only thing that makes him alive but without chaos he's dead.
 
it really fits silent hill 1, and silent hill 3 too. because you pretty much get killed at the beginning, or at least that's the way it looks like. in both games it seems like a dream.
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I've never played any of the games (I'm sure I'd sh*t my pants or something) but I have seen the movie, and it is implied that at the beginning of the movie they do actually die when they get into a car crash when they see something creepeh on their way to Silent Hill. When they get back to their home they realize they're not in the same world they came from (hence probably dead).
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just for reference for people who didn;t play those games before.

silent hill 1 (psx only) :
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now that i think of it main character might die even twice here.

first he wakes from car crash (that's when the game starts), second time he gets killed by some monsters ( ~5:10). and wakes up at local bar.

most people believe that when he is killed by monsters he dies for real. and some mysterious force (won't spoil) resurrects him just this once. but it also makes monsters spawn all over the town - at the beginning the town is empty.

silent hill 3 (pc/ps2) :
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main character gets killed, and wakes up in a bar, concluding it was just a nightmare.
 
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I was saying that what actually explicitly happens in FF8 after the end of disc 1 is a tad implausible in accordance with rules established in disc 1, and personal circumstances at the time of Squall's supposed death. I did differentiate, and, um, this is the second time that you've made a big wall of text stemming from the misunderstanding of a single word, a wall of text that is therefore not a response to what I actually stated (or at least intended to state).
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u mad?
 
Huh. This actually seems very likely. Good theory, I wish FFVIII's producer gave a damn to read it and give his thoughts.
 
Personally, i don't think it could be true at all. If it was, why didn't the writer ever hint at it directly in the game, or at the very end? Why did no one hint at it through the following years, even during the official interview to the story writer that you can find online? In it the writer clearly stated what metaphor FF8 was intended to deliver and for what purpose the story was written in that way, making no mention of such a mind blowing theory.
So yeah, it's interesting, but to argue over it is pointless, since there is only a slight probability it is true and a far smaller probability someone with authority will ever tell us.
 
Mind you neither interpretation is necessarily true in any objective way. I mean both are consistent with canon, and I would ask that you consider http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathOfTheAuthor
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consistency with canon does not give someone permission to wildly speculate. like matrix bible or A-team shakespeare.
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And I would ask that you consider http://squallsdead.com/
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That site is genius for this theory although I still don't know what to believe. I guess we'll never know if he's really dead or not since I've played the game many times and it never occured to me that Squall died at that time or any other time in the game.
 
What really matters is the individual's interpretation of the work, right?  Just go with whatever suits you.  If it isn't provable and "it doesn't make the story better" for you (quote from gjoerulv), then reject it.
 
But this really weirds me out. If it was all a dream then Squall dreams of Laguna in his dream?? Its like his alive in the dream and in that dream he's dreaming of Laguna's past. And you're right, let's all just think that whether it really happened or not, Squall loved Rinoa even in his dreams. :)
 
It's possible in theory, and maybe not just in the fictional world.  Maybe we are all in a very long dream ourselves ;D
 
It's possible in theory, and maybe not just in the fictional world.  Maybe we are all in a very long dream ourselves ;D
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I believe that we are all a product of someone's dream. It's kinda like having a God but different. That would explain the possibility of 2012, the person dreaming would just wake up. :P :P
 
It's possible in theory, and maybe not just in the fictional world.  Maybe we are all in a very long dream ourselves ;D
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I believe that we are all a product of someone's dream. It's kinda like having a God but different. That would explain the possibility of 2012, the person dreaming would just wake up. :P :P
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God is a late sleeper getting up at 8:12PM his time.
 
I believe that we are all a product of someone's dream. It's kinda like having a God but different. That would explain the possibility of 2012, the person dreaming would just wake up. :P :P
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I pity the person dreaming about me. What an inane plot...
 
Mind you neither interpretation is necessarily true in any objective way. I mean both are consistent with canon, and I would ask that you consider http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathOfTheAuthor
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consistency with canon does not give someone permission to wildly speculate. like matrix bible or A-team shakespeare.
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And I would ask that you consider http://squallsdead.com/
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lol u serious? matrix bible can be backed up with symbolism quite easily. and matrix bible is completely retarded. anyone can claim anything and use symbolic proof to support it. though his examples of proof aren't what is interpreted by the majority of the population. not even in the top 10 of what people initially interpret the evidence to be. just because it's possible does not make it reasonable.
i argued that cloud was dead and there is a lot of symbolism for the cloud is dead theory as well. and it can be argued just as easily with any other FF that the main character is dead. im saying it's possible but the chances of it are infinitely small. this looks more like a case of confirmation bias than anything else. guy sees vanilla sky (a movie that came out after ff8) thinks it would be cool for ff8 to be VS. projects it on to FF8. then through confirmation bias details that support him is evidence details that don't are ignored. religion (in my personal belief) is full of confirmation bias. I'm not saying god exists or not but a lot of things that don't seem to mean anything (like finding $ on the ground) is used as proof that God exists.
 
And I would ask that you consider http://squallsdead.com/
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WALL OF TEXT, NO CAPITLIZATION.
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Seriously, I'm not even following the conversation,  but you're Wall o' Text and lack of capitalization makes me want to punch a baby.   I can't even start to read it without feeling like I'm somehow being trolled.   For the love of God can someone please translate?
 
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