Trump president now!

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And yet, Trump is going to waste most of our tax dollars on a completely ineffectual wall between US and Mexico.

He also wants to increase torture, specifically waterboarding, because he's asking people who agree with him if it's effective even though more than half of "intel" gathered from torture is false.

I think we were left with a terrible decision on election day: a scheming politician or an ignorant egotist. Either way, we lost.
 
And apparently his investigation into all of those "illegal" voters will only be happening in states he lost.
 
And apparently his investigation into all of those "illegal" voters will only be happening in states he lost.
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It's almost as if he was trying to silence political dissidence.  You know, the sort of thing a fucking Fascist would do.
 
And yet, Trump is going to waste most of our tax dollars on a completely ineffectual wall between US and Mexico.

He also wants to increase torture, specifically waterboarding, because he's asking people who agree with him if it's effective even though more than half of "intel" gathered from torture is false.

I think we were left with a terrible decision on election day: a scheming politician or an ignorant egotist. Either way, we lost.
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Why not effective?  I think it's got to be more effective than having nothing there, like the Dems want. Also, why no indignation to the fact Obama and co send off billions of your tax dollars abroad, something Trump is putting an end to - starting with that disgusting 200 million pay off to a terrorist state called Palestine. If Trump didn't build a wall, I am pretty sure that would be worse. That was his biggest election promise.

I don't support torture BUT I also find it hard to feel sorry for people like the gitmo lot. Personally, I wouldn't capture them.  They aren't protected under the Geneva convention, because they don't obey its rules or wear a uniform.  I'd shoot them dead on any battlefield.

Trump also said the Iraq war was the worst decision in US history. And pulling out the way the US did almost as a bad. He's right on that ;)

It isn't like Trump was voted in to be liberal. He was voted in to stop things like this:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27092...hour-rape-streamed-on-facebook-live-in-sweden
 
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It's almost as if he was trying to silence political dissidence.  You know, the sort of thing a ferning Fascist would do.
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No, that's what the media gag was for.
 
Nice to see someone who is willing to defer to those in the know.  Obama knew best about everything.
 
It's more likely Obama listened to the experts before he opened his mouth.

On the other hand Trump just says the things that he "feels". Even after hearing the expert opinion he still says "I happen to feel that it does work".
 
But he's deferring to the general for the actual policy. He's free to believe it works. I don't think Obama did listen to the expert's either, or there wouldn't be a massive IS presence caused by incompetent pull out of Iraq and Middle East policy - not to mention Libya blown to shreds, despite Obama saying lessons would be learned from Iraq.

No lessons were learned by him.
 
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It's not fascist to suspend the rights of non citizens. Non Citizens have no rights in your country. They are there at invitation only and are not subject to your protection. Also, protecting your own country against external threats is called being vigilant and being a leader - not fascism.  Shouting fascist every second doesn't make anyone fascist.

That article is also emotional charged and clearly biased.  Also hysterical.  ;D
 
It also applies to green card holders though, but on a case by case basis and yet a few folk who are out of the country on holiday or for work can't get back in despite being card carrying citizens.
 
Non Citizens have no rights in your country.
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That's plain wrong... The laws in every country in the world applies both to citizens and non-citizens.
When a law says "People", it applies to everyone in the state.
When a law says "Citizens", it applies only to citizens of the state.

Besides, protecting your own country against external threats was indeed being called vigilant and a leader (führer), in Germany, in 1933. Please pick another argument.
 
No, they don't.  Each country can decide to keep any non citizen out.  And many countries do just that.  The ME countries bar anyone from Israel for a start.

This isn't even remotely debatable. That's why Trump has been able to sign an executive order that has come in to law.
 
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If they are outside of the country, the US law don't apply to them, of course.
For those who are already inside, the government can indeed decide to bring them back outside. For the time they're inside the boundaries, though, they are still subject to the US law and thus have rights and duties like everyone else.
 
They still do not have full protection under the constitution unless they are US citizens. A US Citizen is based in law. Living in another country does not automatically qualify you for all rights. A country can deport anyone who is a Non citizen.

But it's besides the point because much of what I am reading is just more scaremongering anti trump nonsense. We'll be getting much more of it in the next 8 years.
 
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