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Sorry for the lolz... but rofl: https://twitter.com/KlayVolk/status/825486620187033601
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It's true. People in my own family just post whatever they can find to back up the idea he is a tyrant. There's plenty more evidence that he gives a toss about innocent Christians abroad - the people the Left have abandoned. For one.
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Tekkie.X
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Side note, Labour supporters are turning on Jeremy Corbyn for his supportive stance on Article 50 (AKA leaving Europe ASAP) where was that mindset during the referendum in the first place since he's always been anti-EU?
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I'm not even convinced it's real. The cynic in me thinks it's a ruse to make people think he supports democracy and the will of the people. But I have no evidence of that. I don't trust him as far as I can throw him though.
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Tekkie.X
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Most of the people who were advocating it like Boris and Farage are the same, and behold as soon as the vote passed they buggered off, left everyone else to deal with the aftermath.
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Boris is bad. He's just an opportunist. Our PM, Cameron, is weak and awful and ran off. At least Farage stays in the public eye and campaigns somewhat. He did give up UKIP, but he still stays campaigning and doing interviews.
Cameron is the worst... he's literally vanished to have a beano.
Cameron is the worst... he's literally vanished to have a beano.
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Good god JFK airport is a clusterfuck. Trump's reich is off to a great start
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It's not a reich to put the safety of your people first and if the Dems had been doing this the last 8 years, it wouldn't need this kind of transition and harshness. Whenever people bring up reich or Hitler or fascism, it never ceases to amaze me how much of a false equivalency they make of it.
He was voted in and made certain promises. He's acting on them. Not smiling at the camera and playing golf, like Obama, as 49 people are killed mercilessly in cold blood by people who shouldn't have been in the US.
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First off, I'm a bit of a nihilist.
Realistically, do you think a blanket ban is going to fix anything? I don't think so. A blanket ban is implying that everyone originating from the middle east is inherently evil. That is not how you solve a problem, it is how you ignore a problem.
This is going to trigger a lot of infighting between people, a lot of lawsuits, motivation for violence etc. The net change is negative.
Realistically, do you think a blanket ban is going to fix anything? I don't think so. A blanket ban is implying that everyone originating from the middle east is inherently evil. That is not how you solve a problem, it is how you ignore a problem.
This is going to trigger a lot of infighting between people, a lot of lawsuits, motivation for violence etc. The net change is negative.
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Roden
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No, I'm sick of that argument. It just means the right people wern't in power at the time the vote was passed - if someone like Trump was in power (i.e. Farage) - then the UK would be doing what the US is doing now (i.e. shutting down immigration and liberals going nuts). That's what Brexit means, pretty simple. There will be no compromise and liberals know exactly what it means for them.
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Jari
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Hey, give the Fearless Leader benefit of a doubt, this obviously ain't no blanket ban.
No citizen of the countries currently banned has ever performed a terrorist action on US soil, while every Middle Eastern country
See? ;D
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Considering what's happened in France, Germany, Belgium, and Sweden - I think the answer is that long term his policies will do far more good than bad. There are a few hundred families there (that are now missing members) wishing he had been their president. That I can promise you.
We've done things the Left way for the last few decades and it isn't working. We're doing things differently now. Good. And it's clear to see that people made the right decision when all you see from the Left is rioting, threats, insults, and violent "protests".
= The game is up for emotional lies from the Left and their media allies.
We've done things the Left way for the last few decades and it isn't working. We're doing things differently now. Good. And it's clear to see that people made the right decision when all you see from the Left is rioting, threats, insults, and violent "protests".
= The game is up for emotional lies from the Left and their media allies.
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Isn't it great how so many people keep shouting that not all Muslims/Refugees/Middle Eastern people are terrorists... WE KNOW! The peaceful people are NOT the problem, the problem is that a portion (and we can even argue that it's a large portion) of them ARE indeed terrorists who have and will eventually kill dozens of people. People like to compare Trump to Hitler which is hilarious but since we're on that comparison, I'll leave you with a question.
Were all Germans Nazis? And when the time came, who had the biggest relevance in history? The peaceful, non-nazi civilians or the much, much smaller group of Nazis?
I wonder how each and everyone of the people defending the mass refugee immigration would feel if one of their loves ones had died in one of the very recent terrorist attacks that have been taking place all over the world... Probably you wouldn't be as welcoming huh.
Were all Germans Nazis? And when the time came, who had the biggest relevance in history? The peaceful, non-nazi civilians or the much, much smaller group of Nazis?
I wonder how each and everyone of the people defending the mass refugee immigration would feel if one of their loves ones had died in one of the very recent terrorist attacks that have been taking place all over the world... Probably you wouldn't be as welcoming huh.
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Jari
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Pretty big promises there. I certainly wouldn't want to be presidented - or even unpresidented - by a seriously narcissistic person, who either lies constantly or is actually... you know, not right in the head. Not to mention seems to lack both, experience in governing and understanding of how a (US, in this case) government works.
I'm bit curious about this; first of all, who is this "we" you speak of? In any case, both US and UK have had conservative governments fairly recently - I take it that they weren't Right enough for you? If so, what was? I mean, when has there been a time when the way has been Right enough for you?
...there's of course the obvious answer - which was several decades ago - and I doubt you'd go very "we" with that government, or country. So, I doubt it's that.
Yes, I've heard that some people reserve threats for serious business only, like getting humiliated on the internets. BTW, the offer still stands.
Yes. The Great Media Conspiracy. That's quite a global phenomena, it seems. Supposedly there's one in Finland too, I just haven't noticed it.
Anyway, would you answer these for me - for shits and giggles;
Trump's inauguration audience - do you think it was
a) largest ever
- if so, how do you explain the photographs and DC public transport numbers?
b) quite okay, but considerably smaller than for example Obama's first inauguration and very likely smaller than the Women's march participation
- if so, do you think that
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[*]Trump repeatedly and vehemently lies about it?
[*]Trump actually believes that it was the largest ever?
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Oh, bollocks. If that was true, your "problem" would have fixed itself a long time ago - there wouldn't be anyone left there. They seem quite as adapt at killing each other, if not more so than killing infidels, after all.
I could quote big statistics here, but no dude, just no.
I wouldn't know, but I certainly hope that I would be. Two wrongs don't make a right.
As for this "mass refugee immigration" you speak of, here are some figures for you;
US, aboutish 320 - 325 million people. Resettled 69 933 refugees in fiscal year 2015.
UK, aboutish 64 - 65 million people. Received 38 878 asylum applications in 2015.
Finland. bit over 5 million people. Received 32 476 asylum applications in 2015.
Holy fuck, dudes. Holy fuck. And you know what? We could take more.
Do you little dipshits really have the nerve to cry about the refugee crisis? Really? Honestly?
PS. Not to mention that Germany accepts more than you could ever imagine
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lol You're going on as if we are all imagining the 49 people killed in a gay club by a Muslim, or virtually all Muslim countries being undemocratic, or all 10 countries that support death for gays being Muslim, or the 100s dead in France, or the dead in Belgium, or the mass rapes in Sweden and Germany, or the terror attacks in Germany—and everything else that is going on... all perpetrated by Muslims.
It doesn't matter what you think (if you aren't just back to your old trolling ways, which would be so sad), the electorate have spoken. America doesn't want what the left is selling, which is mass rape and death at the hands of a brutal and intolerant religious ideology called Islam. It isn't listening to you
It's not a good time to believe what you do, because your way is on the way out. All across the West, we're going back to the Right. There is nothing you can do about it. And insulting people won't work anymore. Got anything else?
It doesn't matter what you think (if you aren't just back to your old trolling ways, which would be so sad), the electorate have spoken. America doesn't want what the left is selling, which is mass rape and death at the hands of a brutal and intolerant religious ideology called Islam. It isn't listening to you
It's not a good time to believe what you do, because your way is on the way out. All across the West, we're going back to the Right. There is nothing you can do about it. And insulting people won't work anymore. Got anything else?
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That's a fundamental point that gets dodged by Leftists again and again. It didn't take a majority of Germans to believe in Nazi ideology. It took a minority. And the number of Muslims who advocate for Sharia or against homosexuality, to name a few things, is alarmingly high (check Pew Research). Even if 1% of Muslims were crazy killers it still would mean a massive problem, but the research indicates it's upwards of 20% and even 40%. And those are the ones who answered honestly.
Shapiro's figures aren't perfect, but they aren't far out. Even if you take the safe side of the research, it's bad.
But Jari and those who share his views do not have any counter argument that relies on logic or facts; they just have insults and ridicule and emotion.
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Keep personal attacks out of this thread. I'm impressed we've made it this far before the first one, but this is the only warning I'm giving, and it applies to everyone. Next one from anyone at all and I'm locking the thread. Y'all can disagree with each other as much as you want, but please remain civil. ~Covarr
I wasn't going to get directly involved in this thread, but you do realize you are saying this directly after Jari quoted some statistics re: refugee numbers, right? I'm pretty sure that counts as facts.
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How does his argument counter ours? He just dodged it.
No-one is even arguing about the number of refugees. It's irrelevant. The number of terror attacks by those arrivals is important - and the religious ideology they share. I await his rebuttal to Shapiro (It won't happen). If even one mass murder occurs because we let in 100,000 asylum seekers, it is one too many.
Also, he does not cite a source.
Furthermore, it isn't just "asylum seekers" - it's the immigration policy too. The UK voted for Brexit largely because it is fed up of mass immigration (largely from Muslim countries). So, Jari just conveniently cuts out the millions that have been allowed into Europe by ignoring immigration.
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And looking at his list again, he deliberately dodges Germany and other countries that have taken in a net of over 1.5 million Syrian refugees. Way to go on the selective use of stats to bolster a non existent argument.
I am discussing Europe as a whole, not just the UK or Finland. So why he's even using a few countries as some sort of argument is beyond me. I think it's just to push his own narrative rather than look at the wider scope of things. Trump didn't formulate his travel ban based on the goings-on of Britain and Finland. He did so looking at the whole of the Middle East, Europe, and Israel.
More power to him.
No-one is even arguing about the number of refugees. It's irrelevant. The number of terror attacks by those arrivals is important - and the religious ideology they share. I await his rebuttal to Shapiro (It won't happen). If even one mass murder occurs because we let in 100,000 asylum seekers, it is one too many.
Also, he does not cite a source.
Furthermore, it isn't just "asylum seekers" - it's the immigration policy too. The UK voted for Brexit largely because it is fed up of mass immigration (largely from Muslim countries). So, Jari just conveniently cuts out the millions that have been allowed into Europe by ignoring immigration.
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And looking at his list again, he deliberately dodges Germany and other countries that have taken in a net of over 1.5 million Syrian refugees. Way to go on the selective use of stats to bolster a non existent argument.
I am discussing Europe as a whole, not just the UK or Finland. So why he's even using a few countries as some sort of argument is beyond me. I think it's just to push his own narrative rather than look at the wider scope of things. Trump didn't formulate his travel ban based on the goings-on of Britain and Finland. He did so looking at the whole of the Middle East, Europe, and Israel.
More power to him.
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Also, as stated on a video I posted, the list of terror linked countries was compiled by the Obama administration. Obama banned Iraqi refugees for 6 months. I didn't see anyone jumping around waving their hands in hysteria then. It's just a ludicrous attempt by the Left to sow discord and create havoc.
They are anarchists - and they've overplayed their hand. Everyone around the world has seen how they have behaved compared to how the Republicans behaved when Obama was elected. It's night and day.
I'll take the Left more seriously when they are defending gays against Muslim ideology - instead of blaming "mental illness" and "lone wolf" for the deaths of 49 people - and the hundreds all over Europe.
With very few exceptions, I don't hear a peep out of the Left about women's rights in Saudi, or gays being thrown off buildings. It's largely the so-called "racist right" that's refusing to sweep it under the rug. Well, calling people racist worked for 30 years, but I'm afraid it's a really lousy argument against Muslims wielding AK-47s, driving trucks into crowds, or raping and abusing women all over Europe. There's only so much shit that people will take.
Good luck keeping the moral highground and vote against all that.
They are anarchists - and they've overplayed their hand. Everyone around the world has seen how they have behaved compared to how the Republicans behaved when Obama was elected. It's night and day.
I'll take the Left more seriously when they are defending gays against Muslim ideology - instead of blaming "mental illness" and "lone wolf" for the deaths of 49 people - and the hundreds all over Europe.
With very few exceptions, I don't hear a peep out of the Left about women's rights in Saudi, or gays being thrown off buildings. It's largely the so-called "racist right" that's refusing to sweep it under the rug. Well, calling people racist worked for 30 years, but I'm afraid it's a really lousy argument against Muslims wielding AK-47s, driving trucks into crowds, or raping and abusing women all over Europe. There's only so much shit that people will take.
Good luck keeping the moral highground and vote against all that.
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Well now, Washington State is suing Trump for putting out the order for the ban.
At least they backed down on Green Card holders being denied entry.
He still thinks Nieto's gonna pay for the wall though, what's he gonna do, mail him the invoice for the construction work?
At least they backed down on Green Card holders being denied entry.
He still thinks Nieto's gonna pay for the wall though, what's he gonna do, mail him the invoice for the construction work?
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