...um, wow.

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hmm.... well what i've seen of XP i've liked. i would have it but its been on backorder for the last 3 WEEKS damn compaq. anyway the only real problems i've heard about were the plug-and-play mistake (classicly microsoft) and the fast that compatability mode doesn't work.

i currently have win2kpro i like it except it does some werid sh*t with my 3d card, and the fact that my mom is a controling b*tch:
me: look i'm not going to hurt the computer. i LIKE it working just fine thank you.
her:well maybe but you might screw it up and have to rebuild.
me: so, I religiously do that every 3 months anyway. and you have YOUR OWN COMPUTER
her: *walks away*
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good lord it's horrible. and with winXP the user rights go out the widow :)
[edited] 275 2002-01-23 06:43
 
XP is #%^%.

PartitionMagic trashed the FAT and XP refuses to start, even with the $#%&* CD, forcing me to reformat my comp.

XP does NOT have a "true" safe mode, unlike win9X

Question: why do they say that XP is unstable? I don't get it.
[edited] 39 2002-01-23 10:02
 
Gotta agree with you there joey, XP crashes far more than ME.
You may want to turn off the "restart if program not repsonding" option.  That way it'll go to the blue screen instead of just restarting...and you can then if you're lucky get back to explorer.
 
XP crashes *more* than ME? What on earth have you been *doing* to your computers?!

I didn't think it was possible for *anything* to be more unstable than ME. Especially not something running on an NT kernel.
 
I hated ME, I had it for about 1 month and then got rid of it. It was slower, far more unstable then 98SE. I was getting BSOD every 15-20min. It was ridiculous.

Plus ME removed Real Mode support, which was a mistake to do to the 9x kernel.

WinXP is very similar to 2000, Cept it looks better. The Compatibilty Wizard didn't/doesn't work for either..................

just a note the wizard isn't installed by default in 2000, it's in the Valueadd folder (I think).

Also in order in implement security in XP you need the Pro version. Home Version does not support the NTFS file system. However you can set *shared* perrmissions even in Home ed.

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oglsmm
 
Question: Why is there is there a Convert to NTFS option when I installed XP? I'm using Home, OEM.....
 
Yes; I don't have XP (well, not installed ... I could get it off one of the guys in my house) but I was sure it had NTFS in all versions. MS are trying (quite rightly) to phase out FAT I think.
 
No, only Pro Version is supposed to have NTFS.

See....
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp
About 1/2 way down is the note on NTFS

Although since MS only supports *creating* FAT32 partitions as large as 32GB, I believe that Home may support NTFS if you try to go larger then that when doing the Install. But offically XP Home doesn't support NTFS, I don't have a copy of Home so I'm just going by MS, and the word on the street.

Also ficedula, why would you want to Phase out FAT/Fat32, with NTFS there is no way of accessing files when you boot from a disk, or if something goes wrong with your system. The Recovery Console in XP/2000 really isn't all that good,  and XP doens't make an ERD anymore. Thats not generally a problem for Corporations, but for Home users, that can be a big issue.

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oglsmm
 
Isn't there some way to make the page save your username and password when previewing.

BTW That was me up above.

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oglsmm
 
Well, there is a way to access NTFS from a boot disk (I've got a boot disk with NTFS support) so that isn't a problem. And NTFS doesn't suffer from cluster/FAT inflation. FAT is simply too limited for modern computers. It works OK now, just about, but NTFS is more efficient *and* more secure.
 
amen. My Cdrive is NTFS (Almost put NTSC :P ) and it runs like a dream. My 30gig Ddrive is Fat32 and although it runs well... I could be better. I'd convert it to NTFS, but I want it accessable by Win98.

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Yes you can make an NTFS boot disk, however it is a huge hassle, and 99% of people have no idea what the ntldr and ntdetect.com files are. In order for a filesystem to become mainstream it has to be end-user friendly and NTFS just isn't there yet. Also until the Win9x line is phased out completely it just isn't feasible for a lot of people who dual boot.

For me, I have 2 drives (1 80gb, 1 20gb), dual booting WinXP and Win98SE. Because Win98 can't use FAT32 that means that the active partition needs to be FAT32. Since XP is the active partition it is Fat32, My Win98 partition is also Fat32, because I want all partitions accessable in both OS's I use Fat32 for everything. However my Page file is on a seperate NTFS partition that is encrypted.  

A new file system that is backwards compatible needs ti be adopted my Microsoft, because NTFS just isn't for the avverage user.

Regards,
oglsmm
[edited] 103 2002-01-24 19:56
 
*Filesystems* don't need to be end user compatible. Most people don't have a clue what a boot disk is anyway. The sort of person who's likely to be able to create a boot disk and run scandisk, fdisk, and so on from the command prompt, is the sort of person who can download a NTFS compatible boot disk from the net, which is all you need to do.

Essentially, you're saying all the problems with NTFS are because of FAT still being around. Well, wait until FAT is phased out totally, then all those problems will disappear...

You can't really make filesystems backwards compatible. It'd mean throwing away the advantages of having a better file system.
 
Well I am using WinXP and I must admit that it is much better than WinME.

Performance wise, nearly the same as Win2K Pro, but slightly better.

And I am using the WinXP Home Ed. , it supports NTFS 5.0. In fact I converted my drives from FAT32 to NTFS, and I must admit the performance is ROCK SOLID!!!!!   :cool:

Thrashes WinME and Win98 in stability IMO. But XP does have some compatibility issues with old games (such as FF8). But not really that terrible......   :)
 
I use a ntfs boot disk. it's 40gb HD and i have 2 others, a 16.5 and 2gb. thoes are both FAT32 and the 2gb still has, not working thogh, an instalatino on win2kpro on it. i think i'll format it and use it for my music and videos.... anyway i've had no problem with running an ntfs bootdisk. my win2kpro instalation did all of the work for me :). then only thing i don't like about ntfs is that it blocks users from seeing other users files, and sometime i save file in my brother's user and i can't get to them and have to start over :(.
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On 2002-01-24 15:02, ficedula wrote:
*Filesystems* don't need to be end user compatible. Most people don't have a clue what a boot disk is anyway. The sort of person who's likely to be able to create a boot disk and run scandisk, fdisk, and so on from the command prompt, is the sort of person who can download a NTFS compatible boot disk from the net, which is all you need to do.

Essentially, you're saying all the problems with NTFS are because of FAT still being around. Well, wait until FAT is phased out totally, then all those problems will disappear...

You can't really make filesystems backwards compatible. It'd mean throwing away the advantages of having a better file system.
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Essentially yes, I guess if you cut through the crap Then I am saying that the only real problem with NTFS is backwards compatibility with Fat.  Once Fat disappears then everything will be hunky dorrie.

But I do dis-agree, I bet that many people out there including "techie" people have no idea that there are NTFS boot disks.

Unfortunatly I don't see people leaping to abandon the 9x line for the NT line, either now or in the future.

Regards,

oglsmm
 
PurpleSmurf
I think i'll format [ The 2gb HD ] and use it for my music and videos....
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Heh... I'd max out that HD with just my MP3s and still have tons of MP3s left over! And my video directory is slightly larger than my MP3 directory.

OGLSMM
Unfortunatly I don't see people leaping to abandon the 9x line for the NT line, either now or in the future.
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The reason for that is that the OSs MS is making simply aren't compatible with a lot of the games many of us wish to play. Until they fix that, there will still be a large Win98 market, even after their next 5 OSs come out.

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On 2002-01-24 18:34, OGLSMM wrote:
But I do dis-agree, I bet that many people out there including "techie" people have no idea that there are NTFS boot disks.
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Uhm, the same thing happens to FAT32 boot disks.
It just so happens that most "new" versions of Windows make FAT32 ones automatically. Like fice suggested, people who use NTFS hard drives and actually "carry them around", will actually know of the existance of NTFS boot disks.

On 2002-01-24 18:34, OGLSMM wrote:
Unfortunatly I don't see people leaping to abandon the 9x line for the NT line, either now or in the future.
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Think about it, how often do people buy new PC's? How often do new PC's come preformatted? Believe me, it will be soon. The only real people left with the FAT system are people who need to use an older operating system. Those people are most likely to know the "tools of the trade".
 
and microsoft isn't helping. they changed the lisceneing to Compaq, HP and Dell, you no longer can order a computer from them and get win2k and 98 or ME. oh and guess what? office 2000 doesn't work with XP, this is to be expected but for all of the developers that just upgraded from win2kpro to winXPpro are screwed. AND to dual boot XP with win2kpro you HAVE to install win2kpro first or xp WILL NOT WORK. PERIOD. microsoft f***ed up big this time.
 
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