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you aren't worth it. keep it to pm you ignorant little troll.
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Jari
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:-D
You are trying to mock me in public, and ask me to keep it to PM?
Don't think so. Besides, I enjoy humiliating you in public way too much. :-D But please, do keep sending those PMs, and I'll keep posting them in public, just like I promised I would.
But right now I must go visit my father's grave. I hope you'll forgive me for being unavailable to play with you for the next hour or two?
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Covarr
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Wrong. Just because it can't be proven doesn't make it a fact, nor does it make the other side a fact. A definite statement is a fact, whether true or false. "There is a God" is a factual statement, as is "There is no God". For it to be an opinion, the correctness of the statement needs to vary based on the person saying it. For example, "Red is my favorite color" is an opinion, because its about personal preferences and taste. As for whether or not there's a God, there either is or there isn't. There isn't a God for one person and no God for another, that's simply illogical. "I prefer believing in God to not believing" is an opinion, as is "I dislike Christians/Atheists", but to state the existence of a given deity is a factual statement. You can debate the accuracy of it, claim it erroneous or correct, but it's not a matter of fact vs opinion, just correct vs incorrect.Let me know when you have learned what a fact and what an opinion is. Until then it is a waste of time talking to you. You are like one of those religious bigots who claim their god exists as fact and when you try telling them it is just opinion they put their fingers in their ears and go insane. Your exactly the same except it is over computer games :lol:
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DLPB_
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Actually you are correct in that case, because there IS an answer, even if it might be unattainable now or ever. So maybe that was a poor choice of analogy. But most people would consider it opinion until one knows for sure. Everyone can have an opinion on something if the fact is not known.
However, going back to my earlier argument. You can't debate aerith's name because the developers have said what it is supposed to be and the later games corrected it, so in this case that is a fact
However, going back to my earlier argument. You can't debate aerith's name because the developers have said what it is supposed to be and the later games corrected it, so in this case that is a fact
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obesebear
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I think you've gotten yourself confused. For someone to say "There is a God" is actually an opinion, because there isn't any proof one way or the other. "I believe there is a God", is a fact. For someone to say "My favorite color is red" (and not be lying) is a fact, because that person's favorite color is red. If they were to say "The best color is red", that would be an opinion since other people would disagree
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I can see what he means by it being a fact simply because it isn't known and that there is a definate answer, but I agree with you
"red is the best colour" opinion
"My favourite colour is red" fact
"There is a God" Opinion but one which does have a definate answer
"I believe in God" Fact
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guitar_dudester91
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The only way the developers could have corrected the game is to recall ever singly copy of the original game and reprogram her name into it as Aerith. The original ideas, storyboards, plotline, etc., all decided as Aeris for a name. So in complete originality, Aeris is the name. Just because someone changed their mind doesn't mean its right.
You should learn the difference between fact and opinion. Until then it is a waste of time talking to you. My god does exist, but don't bring that into a thread that isn't even close to dealing with that. It isn't and opinion. Oh oh oh, here's my favorite line by you Seifer, you annoying little girly boy. " End of."
El Ammo, you are my new hero. Would you please post those Pm's, if it isn't too much trouble? I think it would be great to see them, and see Seifer in a public struggle :-D :-D :-D
You should learn the difference between fact and opinion. Until then it is a waste of time talking to you. My god does exist, but don't bring that into a thread that isn't even close to dealing with that. It isn't and opinion. Oh oh oh, here's my favorite line by you Seifer, you annoying little girly boy. " End of."
El Ammo, you are my new hero. Would you please post those Pm's, if it isn't too much trouble? I think it would be great to see them, and see Seifer in a public struggle :-D :-D :-D
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Do you realise how illogical and inaccurate that sounds? How would you propose they recalled millions of copies on the shelves at the time and said "Right it was a translation error....so for this 1 name we will have to bin the lot"
get real. Nobody changed their mind. It was translation error. And it isn't "someone" It is the writers of the game. They created her.
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Kudistos Megistos
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I was going to make a tl;dr post about the meaning of the word opinion in this context (because it's meaning does differ slightly depending on context) and which of the examples that were given were facts and which were opinions, but instead I'm going to post a link to a picture that shows my reaction after reading that last couple of posts.
Yes, yes, I know that a similar pic was posted in another thread recently, but I can't think of anything that better sums up my feelings.
Yes, yes, I know that a similar pic was posted in another thread recently, but I can't think of anything that better sums up my feelings.
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Alhexx
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Cut it.
Both Aerith and Aeris are valid answers as the character on the picture appeared using both names. It doesn't matter which name she had originally or that she was called Aerith in all games except for FF7. And no, it's not an opinion what her name is.
Actually, that's not an opinion but a claim. If the claim could be proven right, then it would become a fact. If it could be proven wrong, then it would become a lie.
The problem is that in this case it can neither be proven right nor proven wrong (at least as long as you live), so it remains to be a claim.
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guitar_dudester91
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Get real. they would have told those millions of people when the game came out. Actually, as a matter of fact, the developers must have tested the f***ing game before they released it. So having tested it, and more than likely ran through numerous playthroughs, you're telling me that they were completely oblivious to the fact that there was a translation error? And that they completely missed the fact that you thought it should be Aerith?
This pic sms up my feelings for you, Seifer - http://www.flickr.com/photos/23816315@N07/2528296337/
:-D :-D :-D :evil:
Also, my previous post was a sarcastic idea to show you how completely idiotic you're being.
This pic sms up my feelings for you, Seifer - http://www.flickr.com/photos/23816315@N07/2528296337/
:-D :-D :-D :evil:
Also, my previous post was a sarcastic idea to show you how completely idiotic you're being.
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Your ignorance is showing.
The writers don't test games in this way. The people who do are called "testers" and generally they do not look for translation errors, that is the "translators" job. The game was released properly in the native language, Japanese. It is then translated. If there is a translation error after the game has been rebuilt and released it is TOO LATE to correct it.
Or do you think "This guy are bad" , "beacause" or all the other errors
were supposed to be in the game as well? FF7 used what seems to be a sub standard translation team.
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guitar_dudester91
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So you're saying that you know everything and was there when the testers worked on the game. Also, I'm sure the developers speak English, and more than likely knew whta they were doing when they named her Aeris, her name. So. Yep. I think you are just arguing with the fact that people on here are starting to respect you less and less every post you put up. That's just my "opinion" though. Or is it a claim?.....
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I don't think Kitase/sakaguchi/Nomura speak english., All interviews I have seen have been translated but they had no input in translation. That isn't their job. They write the game in japanese, it is then translated by a completely different dept. You are refusing to acknowledge some very basic FACTS here:
1. All games after FF7 have been released using Aerith (and advent children credits lists her as such)
2. The writers have stated Aerith is a near anagram of Earth (which Aeris isn't)
3. The game had LOADS of spelling and translation errors other than Aerith
4. It is a separate dept that translates the game
Why you keep arguing on is beyond me.
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Jari
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Apparently it would have been sooooooo much easier if they had just translated her name into 'That Cetra bitch'. There are only so many ways to spell that.
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guitar_dudester91
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Fucking Cetra whore can't have a normal name. Dammit! ha ha ha ha ha oh shit i laughed my ass off over that one Ammo :-D
PM's?
PM's?
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DLPB_
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he isn't getting any PM's from me again, and even if he did it would be no concern of yours, so please stop inciting trouble.
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guitar_dudester91
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Inciting? Oh I'm sorry I wasn't talking to you. That must have been a translation error too.
Ammo, an earlier post mentioned you might post those pm's? Sorry i just wanted to see Seifer at his lowest :-D :roll:
Ammo, an earlier post mentioned you might post those pm's? Sorry i just wanted to see Seifer at his lowest :-D :roll:
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He has already posted all of the pm's, I have better things to do with my time than post to him day in and out. You are one of the worst trolls I have ever seen. Don't you belong on Lifestream forums?
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guitar_dudester91
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Ahem. Ammo was who I was talking too. I'm not sure how to translate that better for you. Or maybe you thought it was an opinion?
FACT - I directed the question at Ammo, not Seifer.
FACT - I directed the question at Ammo, not Seifer.
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