What Leftism Is

[DLPB_]

 

[Jenova's Witness]

Oh, indeed. I had no delusions to the opposite. It's just that because OF THAT that the British said "enough" and voted to leave. That's not the only reason to leave, but it was the tipping point. Allowing free movement from France to Britain will allow all sorts of "legal Europeans" into the country. Oh wait, this is almost exactly what is going on between Mexico and the US except it here it's illegal.

What's wrong with illegals, goy?  Don't like not getting a raise in the past 20 years?  Here, let me import a few million h1b visa workers from China and India - and you know what, I'll pay you to train them to do your job!

 

[Jenova's Witness]

https://www.instagram.com/babesfortrump/

https://www.instagram.com/babesforhillary/

 

[Roden]

Even in the 1000000000-1 chance they even tried, there would be mass riots.  I'd be one of the participants.

Haha. I've liked reading DLPB's political posts when I come here, strange to see it on an FF forum - but whatever

This is definitely a victory for the "right" people, which personally makes me happy. The EU is corrupt as hell and would have us all fighting some BS US-led war against Russia alongside the Turks. The globalists will no doubt realize this will never happen now - I believe other EU citizens will have the same resolve as the Brits in voting out of that madness.

Now is a good time for Britain to reform not only education but also diplomatic ties with countries like Russia to make up for the BS in the past. I mean the US/UK tried to overthrow a modern islamic leader (Assad) and replace him with hardcore religious nuts, it's lunacy. We created a permanent enemy for no reason and I feel ashamed, and no-one is even talking about it.

None of the above is likely to happen though, it's not even on the agenda. Seems like a massive missed opportunity - Britain just doesn't have any real leaders. I hope I'm wrong though. But regardless of whether Britain swings to the left or the right from here (some leftist groups also voted out like Galloway's lot), the bigger picture looks good. Globalism has been stopped dead in it's tracks forcing the EU to cut back from expansion (or risk even more countries voting out), this leaves an opportunity for a growing Russia (building a huge trade corridor with China) to either politically, culturally or economically "take over" certain Eastern European countries - the end result being a Europe run more along the lines of Russian policy as the EU further decays/weakens.

Is that a good thing? IMO, yes. The obvious alliance and connections between right-wing groups and Russia is not as unholy an alliance as the left have with decadent Islam. And as the left is naturally weaker, they will surely fail unless World War III is launched (wouldn't put it past them).

Countries like Japan who are strongly allied to the US will be in some trouble too I think (unless Trump is elected, but I fear the US may be too far gone), so there will neeed to be some reform in their outlook of other countries there too. Definitely need to put the whole South Korea-Japan thing to bed.

Haven't seen such an event happen since 9/11. It's huge really in what it could mean for the world.

 

[DLPB_]

The nuclear weapon has ironically been the greatest thing for peace.  It has stopped many major war through the sheer fear of M.A.D. Unfortunately, there is another type of mad...  Islam.  And some of these crazy bastards don't fear destruction.  Iran is one.  Thanks to Obama, they are closer now than ever.  But Israel won't sit around waiting.  Believe it.

 

[Roden]

The nuclear weapon has ironically been the greatest thing for peace.  It has stopped many major war through the sheer fear of M.A.D. Unfortunately, there is another type of mad...  Islam.  And some of these crazy bastards don't fear destruction.  Iran is one.  Thanks to Obama, they are closer now than ever.  But Israel won't sit around waiting.  Believe it.

I think Iran could go either way right now, China just refused it entry to the SCO despite Russia's backing - probably because it could cause some tensions with the US. Might be only temporary though. Personally I don't think Iran would use nukes unless seriously provoked. They also helped fight ISIS. But who knows, they could be gearing up for something - Middle East is messed up.

I'm not sure why my title says "Crazy poster" now. Haha, but I assure you I'm not (Just kidding, I know its part of ranking system)

 

[DLPB_]

Fighting IS doesn't really mean much when you read into Islam...  basically all of its divisions are bad.  And many of them argue on the caliphate.  They all believe IN a caliphate, the question to them is who is the true bannerman.

 

[Jenova's Witness]

Fighting IS doesn't really mean much when you read into Islam...  basically all of its divisions are bad.  And many of them argue on the caliphate.  They all believe IN a caliphate, the question to them is who is the true bannerman. 

No, they don't.  Where are you getting your information from, Israelis?

There are 3 major divisions of Islam, and various non-Islamic sects (they aren't considered Muslims by anyone except themselves, and sometimes not even then).

Sunni are the expansionists.  They want a global caliphate.  They are something like 85% of all Muslims.  Notable countries/regions include Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Chechnya, Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Islamic State, most of North Africa, Malaysia, and Indonesia.  In other words, what you usually hear when you find out the ethnic group of a terrorist.  These are the retards you see yelling "Allahu Ackbar!" in videos because they believe that god guides the paths of their bullets (hence their inability to aim).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni_Islam

Shia are the second major division.  They pretty much want to be left alone to hang their gays and stone adulterers in their own countries.  They are about 11% of all Muslims (and of course Sunni and Shia don't consider one another Muslims, and hate each other).  Notable countries include Iran, Assad's Syria, and ethnic enclaves in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon.  As long as you don't fight them, don't let them into your country, and mind their laws in their countries you will never have an issue with them.  These people are currently fighting Islamic State.  There are Christian and Yazidi units in their militias in Lebanon and in Syria.  Christians in Lebanon prefer their militias and paramilitary units over those of Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam

The third division - the Ibadi - exist only in Oman.  They are so mild-mannered that I didn't even know they existed until about a year ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibadi

Other weirdos include the Druze (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze) and the Yazidi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidis).  They are mostly harmless.

Jews are very closely related to Palestinians, and Palestinians have screwed over every community that tried to help them.  Don't believe anything any of these paranoid middle-eastern tribes say about one another until you actually research it yourself.

 

[DLPB_]

No, I'm getting my information from the Koran, historians like Robert Spencer, Hamas, Saudi Arabia and a dozen more. Islam is and has always been backward.  It's leader, Muhammad, was a war mongering conquerer - something that isn't disputed by the Koran, Hadith, or historians.

It isn't going to change the fact that Muhammad killed people, had child brides, said the things he did, and conquered Mecca.

Iran wants a caliphate. So does Hamas. So does Saudi. So does IS.

 

[Jenova's Witness]

No, I'm getting my information from the Koran, historians like Robert Spencer, Hamas, Saudi Arabia and a dozen more. Islam is and has always been backward.  It's leader, Muhammad, was a war mongering conquerer - something that isn't disputed by the Koran, Hadith, or historians.

It isn't going to change the fact that Muhammad killed people, had child brides, said the things he did, and conquered Mecca.

It's debatable if he even existed.  Therefore it all comes down to what the specific books and religious/clerical traditions say.

Sunni books and traditions explicitly say that they must go out and convert the unbelievers, either by guile or by war.  There is no compromise for this.  Therefore, Sunni are on average complete shitheads.

Shia books and traditions basically say to stay put, protect your people and your lands, stay faithful, and wait for the 12th Imam to appear.

Iran wants a caliphate. So does Hamas. So does Saudi. So does IS.

Iran IS a caliphate - a Shia caliphate.  What you see in Iran is the entirety of their religious practice, which basically amounts to doing whatever the fuck they want within the borders of their nations/enclaves, protecting other Shia from Sunni or Israel, and cooperating with people of other religions without trying to convert them.

Compare Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah to Islamic State, which is a Sunni organization that considers itself a Sunni caliphate.

Here's something else: Pakistan has nukes.  Pakistan is a Sunni state.  Pakistan literally helps the Taliban and protected Osama Bin Laden.  Yet you don't see Pakistan all over the news, but you do see Iran.  Could it be because Iran threatens Israel's encroachment on Lebanese and Syrian soil?  Hmmm, I wonder!

Literally the only reason we've got a hamster up our collective asses about Iran is because Israel doesn't like them.  I don't give a fuck about that.  Israel is a big boy; Israel can take care of it's own messes.

What I don't understand is why you defend Israel when Israel has threatened multiple times to nuke capitals of European nations if we don't help them.  Would you help China if China threatened to nuke our ethnic homelands?  No?  Then why are you such a cuckold over Israel?  Israel doesn't give a flying fuck about you, Israelis have stolen state secrets from the USA numerous times, Israelis gave the secrets of the nuclear bomb to the Soviets.

Are you so house-broken by progressives that whenever you would have a patriotic impulse to protect your own people, you instead feel patriotism over Israel?

According to Haaretz - surely the most anti-semetic news source on Earth - Christians are routinely spat on by right-wing Ultra Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem.
http://www.haaretz.com/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099

The first principle of being right-wing is to preserve your own people and defend your homeland.  Technically, this means that right-wingers in one country would get along great with left-wingers in another country who want to bring them in, at least until the right-wingers are a majority.  That's the mistake that left-wingers make with Muslims.

Just because someone is right wing doesn't automatically make them an ally, or even a friend.  They must also be part of your group, either ethnic or religious.  Thus Israel is not our ally, but neither is Iran.  That doesn't mean that we should hate them; it means we shouldn't interfere with their business nor should they interfere with ours.

 

[DLPB_]

IS isn't a caliphate.  It desires to be one and to own enough land / control to be a legitimate one. Saudi doesn't recognize IS as a true caliphate. That's the thing - that's why some of the crazy lunatic countries like Saudi and Iran will fight IS - despite agreeing with their overall message. IS undermine their authority.

Also, while I agree Judaism and all religions are hardly bastions of open mindedness - they aren't blowing people up all over the world or using nuclear weapons, despite having them.  I wouldn't trust Iran with a popsicle. Israel has shown amazing restraint.  If you were a people constantly threatened on all sides by Islamic aggression - had rockets routinely fired at your people - and had countries openly calling for your very destruction - how would you behave? 

Israel and Jews are not the problem.  Islam is.

Calling me a progressive is a bit silly, since I am constantly at the opposite end of the political spectrum from them.  The BBC, for example, is clearly anti Israel.  So is Obama and the current American administration. I am not sure why the Jews keep getting brought up when Islam is the religion killing and slaughtering - all over the world.  Why are we even debating the Jews in this thread?  They are not responsible for IS or suicide bombers or Muhammad or the Koran.

Also, if it's the conspiracy theory that Jews enjoy spreading Islamic destruction, then I would just point out that no true Jewish person would want their own destruction - because Islam and Islamic doctrine is vehemently opposed to them.  That's why they are under attack from all sides in the Middle East. The idea that Jews are behind the scenes plotting to help Muslims is far fetched, to say the least.

 

[Tekkie.X]

Meanwhile people had been worried that Brexit would mean the end of the Euromillions lottery. It won't.

 

[Jenova's Witness]

IS isn't a caliphate.  It desires to be one and to own enough land / control to be a legitimate one. Saudi doesn't recognize IS as a true caliphate. That's the thing - that's why some of the crazy lunatic countries like Saudi and Iran will fight IS - despite agreeing with their overall message. IS undermine their authority.

DLPB, the one true authority on Islam who couldn't tell the difference between Sunni and Shia.  You're acting like those liberals who are 100% authorities on Islam, even more so than actual Muslims themselves who kill Europeans in the name of Islam.

If IS declares that they are a caliphate, I'm inclined to believe them.  If it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it acts like a duck, and if other ducks around the world treat it as if it is a duck - then it's probably a duck.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/06/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-isis

Baghdadi was born Ibrahim Awad al-Badari in 1971 near Samarra, a city 50 miles north of Baghdad. He took a master's degree and a PhD in Islamic studies at the University of Islamic Sciences in the Baghdad suburb of Adhamiya. When the US invaded Iraq in March 2003, the pious Baghdadi was still studying and was not thought to be connected to either al-Qaida or its local offshoot in the early years of resistance.

http://news.siteintelgroup.com/blog/index.php/entry/226-the-story-behind-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi

A professor, teacher, former educator, recognized preacher, and a graduate of the Islamic University in Baghdad, where he finished his academic studies (BA, MA and PhD). He is known as a preacher and a person of knowledge in Islamic culture, Shariah knowledge, and jurisprudence, and possessing vast knowledge of history and lineage. He had extensive relationships and a clear influence on members of his tribe in Diyala and Samarra, to the extent that they declared, by their own free will and their total certainty, their pledge allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and its first emir, Abu Omar al-Baghdadi al-Qurashi. They pledged allegiance to the Emir and his State when it was first created and appeared on the jihadi battlefield in Iraq in the official declaration of the State in the last ten days of Ramadan 2006. Afterwards, Dr. Ibrahim Awwad was recognized as one of the most prominent figures of Salafist Jihadism and its most recognized proponent in Diyala and in the city of Samarra through the Mosque of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal, may Allah have mercy on him.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28560449

Turki al-Binali's tract continued by highlighting that prior to the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, Baghdadi received his PhD from the Islamic University of Baghdad, with a focus on Islamic culture, history, sharia, and jurisprudence.

Do you have a PhD in Islamic Studies?  Technically you've lived your entire life in the Caliphate of Albion, but he lived in Iraq and later Syria his entire life.  He's a little closer to the source of Islam than even your average Londonian.

Besides that, Saudi Arabia is doing a shit job of fighting IS:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ke-over-the-north-of-the-country-9602312.html

Also, while I agree Judaism and all religions are hardly bastions of open mindedness - they aren't blowing people up all over the world or using nuclear weapons, despite having them.  I wouldn't trust Iran with a popsicle. Israel has shown amazing restraint.  If you were a people constantly threatened on all sides by Islamic aggression - had rockets routinely fired at your people - and had countries openly calling for your very destruction - how would you behave? 

Well I wouldn't invade my Shia neighbors - as Israel did in 1978 and 1982 - and treat them so bad that they literally form a Shia militia to defend themselves.  You'd think that the Israelis (who nominally invaded to oust the PLO) would be smart enough to work with a people who were glad to be out from under the boot of the PLO. 

Considering that the Israeli policy in the event of a military defeat is to launch nuclear weapons - combined with their non-stop militancy against their neighbors - it can hardly be said that Israel is a rational actor in the middle east.

Israel and Jews are not the problem.  Islam is.

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/16/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard
http://www.businessinsider.com/israeli-spying-on-us-has-reached-terrifying-levels-2014-5
https://theintercept.com/2015/03/25...l-directly-contradicted-secret-nsa-documents/
http://www.merip.org/mer/mer138/israeli-spies-us
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg

Calling me a progressive is a bit silly, since I am constantly at the opposite end of the political spectrum from them.  The BBC, for example, is clearly anti Israel.  So is Obama and the current American administration. I am not sure why the Jews keep getting brought up when Islam is the religion killing and slaughtering - all over the world.  Why are we even debating the Jews in this thread?  They are not responsible for IS or suicide bombers or Muhammad or the Koran.

http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Eritrean-migrants-resettled-from-Israel-to-Sweden-337414
^Israel airlifts illegals from Eritrea (a Muslim north African country) to Sweden.

^Barbara Spectre wants to teach Europeans how to be multicultural.

Without Jewish people like Barbara Spectre, there wouldn't be as many Muslim invaders in Europe.  Other than that, there are myriad examples of Jewish people being involved in subversive activities that target Europeans, for whatever reason.  I only use sources that are Israeli publications or books that are written by Jewish people, to avoid conspiracy theories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
^A foiled Israeli false flag operation that was intended to kill Western tourists in Egypt and blame this on Muslims.

http://www.jewishquarterly.org/issuearchive/articled325.html?articleid=38

Extending the subversive thesis, Jewish involvement in the X-rated industry can be seen as a proverbial two fingers to the entire WASP establishment in America. Some porn stars viewed themselves as frontline fighters in the spiritual battle between Christian America and secular humanism. According to Ford, Jewish X-rated actors often brag about their ‘joy in being anarchic, sexual gadflies to the puritanical beast’. Jewish involvement in porn, by this argument, is the result of an atavistic hatred of Christian authority: they are trying to weaken the dominant culture in America by moral subversion. Astyr remembers having ‘to run or fight for it in grammar school because I was a Jew. It could very well be that part of my porn career is an “up yours” to these people’. Al Goldstein, the publisher of Screw, said (on lukeford.net), ‘The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don’t believe in authoritarianism.’ Pornography thus becomes a way of defiling Christian culture and, as it penetrates to the very heart of the American mainstream (and is no doubt consumed by those very same WASPs), its subversive character becomes more charged. Porn is no longer of the ‘what the Butler saw’ voyeuristic type; instead, it is driven to new extremes of portrayal that stretch the boundaries of the porn aesthetic. As new sexual positions are portrayed, the desire to shock (as well as entertain) seems clear.

https://archive.org/details/AProgramForJewsAndHumanity
^Note that this was literally written by a Jewish Rabbi.

A Program for Jews and Humanity by Rabbi Harry Waton published by Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, New York City: Astoria Press, 1939.

This book declared that Jews will inherit the entire earth through the control and spread of Communism.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

A Jewish publication notes that many member of the first Soviet government (who were responsible for the deaths of millions more than died in the Holocaust) where Jewish.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/06/books/review/the-chosen-getting-in.html
A Jewish man admits that Jewish people have "taken over" academia.

Also, if it's the conspiracy theory that Jews enjoy spreading Islamic destruction, then I would just point out that no true Jewish person would want their own destruction - because Islam and Islamic doctrine is vehemently opposed to them.  That's why they are under attack from all sides in the Middle East. The idea that Jews are behind the scenes plotting to help Muslims is far fetched, to say the least.

1. You're not Jewish (are you?) so you can't rightly say what a true Jewish person would or would not believe or do.
2. The issue isn't that Israel helps Islamic State.  The issue is that Israel prefers them (according to one of their defense ministers) over Iran.  The Israeli airstrikes on Assad's forces clearly demonstrate their stated preference.  I don't know about you, but I call airstrikes assistance.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4755215,00.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-choose-between-iran-and-isis-id-choose-isis/
http://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-i-would-prefer-islamic-state-to-iran-in-syria/

Israel is as much a problem as Muslims.  They should both be deported to their homelands, so they can live in peace there (or not) and we can live in peace in our nations.

Simple fix: eliminate dual citizenship.  Since all Jewish people are granted right of return by Israel, we could buy their assets and send them home.  Israel definitely needs all the people it can get and would welcome the people it needs for defense, labor, and scientific research.

More than that, it seems that Jewish people are not comfortable in mono-ethnic and mono-religious societies.  This is unfortunate, but if they have a problem with us then they are the ones who need to change.  They have killed as many of us as we have of them, as demonstrated by the Holodomor and other Soviet atrocities, so the have no moral standing to cry about the Holocaust when we attempt to hold them to the same standards we hold ourselves.  They need us more than we need them, as Barbara Spectre demonstrates when she "teaches us to be multicultural" by helping millions of Muslims to come to our lands and rape our sisters and daughters, abuse our benefits programs, and terrorize us with murder and violence (and the billions of dollars in assistance we give to Israel every year while our own infrastructure falls apart and our people sit idle).

tl;dr

If you are a Muslim or Jewish person, then you have to go back.

 

[DLPB_]

All that changes absolutely nothing of what I said. 1000 Links won't.  Islam is absolutely and totally opposed to Judaism and the Jewish people.  That's a stonewall fact.  It is an historical fact and verified very well by the Hadith and the Koran. Palestine [Hamas] is currently at war with Israel - mostly because Israel is Jewish.  A Jewish person is not going to work behind the scenes to promote a religion or ideology that wants to see it destroyed. Iran, and Israel's neighbours, have consistently called for the state of Israel to be wiped off the map.

Anti Semitic conspiracy theories are just that: Anti Semitic conspiracy theories.

I am not concerned with Judaism.  I'll start worrying about it when it has bombs strapped to it or it is running amok with AK 47s in multiple countries or flying planes into buildings.

Israel is the only real democratic country in the Middle East. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_the_Middle_East#Measures_of_Democracy

Perhaps concentrate your efforts on the fact that it is legal in around 10 Islamic countries to kill people for being homosexual - and many more where basic freedom is denied.  Talk of Jews is a nonsense that needs to stop. I will go no further on that subject.

 

[Roden]

Meanwhile, very interesting development between Turkey, Israel and Russia. http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.727526 Turkey has formally apologised to Russia (never saw that coming) and formalized a "reconcilation pact" with Israel. Makes me wonder if Turkey will still go ahead and join the EU.

 

[DLPB_]

And what a disaster for the EU countries if it does.  They've been pushing for this for ages.  Turkey brings very little benefit for ordinary people of the EU - but it does bring mass migration.  It's also one of the reasons we voted Leave.

 

[Tarts]

DLPB, I agree with the all of your points on EU and most on Islam. Most, because confrontations between hostile powers do not occur at all times. Nazis collaborated with the Soviets from 1939 to 1941, and in fact Stalin instituted trade agreements with Germany after Hitler took power. We all know how much those two regimes were different and actually hated each other, apart from the police states they both instituted. Come to think of it, the democracies themselves allied with the Soviets, even though that regime is widely considered the most bloody in 20th Century, and slaughtered many millions of people prior to WW2, as well as in it (not as much afterwards). Jews helped the Muslim Moors invade Spain because their rights had been restricted under the Visigoths (though internal Christian infighting was also important in them being overrun by the invading armies) and hoped to attain a better situation under the Caliphate, which in fact they did for a while. In response, Christians persecuted Jews in Spain after 1492. CIA (which would be expected to install an US-backed type of democracy) actually overthrew democracies in Iran (1953) and Brazil (1964) and installed dictatorships. As you can see, just because countries, ideologies and religions dislike each other, doesn't mean they won't have truces or even temporary alliances for their own gains, as well as seemingly contradicting operations.

It's true that we shouldn't resort to extreme and wild unevidenced theories in regard to anything. With that said, however, I don't see what's wrong with BUILDWALL's post. Plenty of world famous people over the ages have stated similar concerns, including Cicero, Voltaire, Henry Ford, Napoleon Bonaparte, Cervantes, Chaucer, Churchill, Chekhov, Charles d*ckens, Dostoyevsky, Erasmus, Benjamin Franklin, Charles de Gaulle, Hegel, Heidegger, Shakespeare, Thomas Jefferson, Immanuel Kant, Goethe, Martin Luther, Tolstoy or Mark Twain. Are we going to simply dismiss their thoughts critical of Jews the same way the mass media dismisses and ridicules all criticism of Islam as "Islamophobia"? Anti-semitism is born out of both rational and irrational actions, and reasonable Jewish writers like Bernard Lazare, Hilaire Belloc and Samuel Roth (who like many Germans, also admit guilty actions in WW2) have written as much. If we're going to dismiss any criticism of a single group, why shouldn't we dismiss that of others as well? Why not dismiss all the obvious actions of Muslims over the last decades and before? Why not dismiss the killings by Christians in the Middle Ages? Why not claim the Soviet Union killed at most 5 million in its existence and also call as conspiracy theories statements to otherwise? If we're truly open-minded, we need to listen to all the points of view (including Muslims, which are one of the biggest and definitely the most visible threat to Europe) and not become like many close-minded Leftists, who say they're "liberal" and "tolerant", but then turn around and say "Anyone against multiculturalism is a racist!", "Controlling your borders is fascist!" or "Stop stereotyping, you privileged white male!".

I know you're listening to PJW, but people aren't flawless, while he's great on the EU, Leftists and Islam, for example, and I use him as a resource for that, he refuses to read the same kind of literature and material about Jewish people. However, it's also true that there are plenty of nice and hard-working Jewish people, and in fact 1871-1933 German Jews were highly influential in world science and arts. Hans Zimmerman and Howard Shore, for example, are outstanding modern composers. Einstein is pretty famous as well. There are way more examples, but it's enough for now. It's also true to anyone who reads Jewish history that they're incredibly lively, industrious and ethnocentric people, who have established Europe's modern banking houses and even Reuters, the first worldwide hub of international news. And because of their internal connections, they've used them to benefit themselves in times when anti-Semitism ran rampant, such as WW2. However, in the process they often also screwed other people, and it is these events that are at the heart of these "anti-Semitic conspiracy theories", which I dismissed the same way you once did the anti-EU statements. Just like there have been influential German, Turkish, Arab or Japanese extremists, there have existed Jewish ones over the span of history, and it would be abnormal if any person, let alone people, wouldn't resort sometimes to dubious actions for their own benefit. Plenty of literature from both Jews and non-Jews has been written about such incidents over the ages from highly-articulated, intelligent and well-read people, who referenced and sourced their findings, so I don't understand your knee-jerk reaction. But let's talk about Muslims now.

Unfortunately, they're a serious problem in Europe, and no PC wallowing can change the facts. They've created no-go zones, where police and special services are afraid to go in. They've created a mass underworld drug industry. ISIS has been supplying terrorists to Europe and participate in terrorist attacks. However, the true extent of participation of Muslims is unknown, since false flag attacks can also be used for the EU to increase the police state, which they proclaim is to fight "Islamic extremism" and "racism" online. Which means that whoever participates in these attacks, EU benefits by widening the police state and thus strengthening the positions of the rich EU-funded Leftists who live in gated communities, away from high immigrant populations they claim to support. Muslim participation in these attacks is the most likely out of all groups, since that way they can "inflict revenge on Westerners".

Rotherham is simply the tip of the iceberg of the sex crimes in UK, and there are lots of undocumented smaller-scale "industries" of these, and probably even bigger ones that haven't been uncovered yet. Muslims (like many other non-European immigrants) vote Labour, since these will continue the welfare and pro-immigrant agendas Europe's been suffering for decades. As DLPB correctly said, these parties are aware of that and are trying to outdo each other in how much they can appease foreigners. In fact, I've read immigrants voted more favorably for "Stay" because of that, but have no link now. Check out this link, where Muslims attending the conference do not feel themselves as "British", and think Sharia Law should rule UK! Note also the timing. Finally, and most importantly, their population is the most rapidly growing in Europe. In fact, Muslims have the highest population growths all over the world, and have increasingly taken over more and more influence in India, for example. Just imagine how it's in Europe, where the native population has no kids anymore! German adults are slated to become minorities in their own country's demographic by the end of this decade because of the influx of millions into its country, for crying out loud! In 2015 alone Germany received a documented (there have been reports of hundreds of thousands who went into hiding) amount of people of over 1% of its own population, and it's only increasing!

I leave the conclusions to the reader.

 

[DLPB_]

The problem I have is that Muslims blow the world up and suddenly Judiasm or Christianity get brought up out of nowhere.  I don't think it's at all relevant.  When those two groups are creating the carnage here and now, today, I will be more open to debating them.  But it simply isn't a key concern. I make it clear that I find all religions are against true free thinking, but Islam is the very worst.  Also, I frequently see people blaming the bombings and 9/11 on Jews, which isn't just a distortion - it's plain bad.

I am sure there are legitimate concerns, but I've seen too many coming up with conspiracy theories.  I don't do conspiracy theories.  I do hard fact.  When Muslims are responsible for the massive number of atrocities world wide, I do not suddenly say "JEWS!".  It doesn't make any sense to do that, especially when you take a few hours to study the life of Muhammad and the Koran and Hadith (which is the life of Muhammad mostly).

It should also be noted that a lot of Muslims still believe that 9/11 was an inside job by the Jews to discredit them. It's this kind of nonsense I have no time for.

Oh - and here's the latest

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36658187

 

[Jenova's Witness]

All that changes absolutely nothing of what I said. 1000 Links won't.

You're not willing to listen to evidence?

Islam is absolutely and totally opposed to Judaism and the Jewish people.  That's a stonewall fact.  It is an historical fact and verified very well by the Hadith and the Koran. Palestine [Hamas] is currently at war with Israel - mostly because Israel is Jewish.  A Jewish person is not going to work behind the scenes to promote a religion or ideology that wants to see it destroyed. Iran, and Israel's neighbours, have consistently called for the state of Israel to be wiped off the map.

I don't care.  That's not my problem, it's theirs.

Anti Semitic conspiracy theories are just that: Anti Semitic conspiracy theories.

Posting links to articles written by Israeli citizens, living in Israel, for Israeli publications that are hosted in Israel is a conspiracy theory?

You must be Jewish.  There's no other explanation for your incredible capacity for double-think.

I am not concerned with Judaism.  I'll start worrying about it when it has bombs strapped to it or it is running amok with AK 47s in multiple countries or flying planes into buildings.

Well when your local Jewish community advocates bringing Muslims in don't come running to me for help.

Israel is the only real democratic country in the Middle East. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_the_Middle_East#Measures_of_Democracy

I don't care what they do or what they are, as long as they do it over there.

Perhaps concentrate your efforts on the fact that it is legal in around 10 Islamic countries to kill people for being homosexual - and many more where basic freedom is denied.

Again, as long as they do it over there I don't care.  Not my problem.

Talk of Jews is a nonsense that needs to stop. I will go no further on that subject.

Pointing out facts to cucks until they mentally shut down and stop arguing is a victory in my book.  I accept your surrender.

Cucks will always and eternally cuck for their favored minority.  It's a mental illness, a form of projection.  They can't help it.

Meanwhile, very interesting development between Turkey, Israel and Russia. http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.727526 Turkey has formally apologised to Russia (never saw that coming) and formalized a "reconcilation pact" with Israel. Makes me wonder if Turkey will still go ahead and join the EU.

By the time Turkey joins the EU the only country in the EU will be Germany.  We all know what happens after that.

The problem I have is that Muslims blow the world up and suddenly Judiasm or Christianity get brought up out of nowhere.  I don't think it's at all relevant.  When those two groups are creating the carnage here and now, today, I will be more open to debating them.  But it simply isn't a key concern. I make it clear that I find all religions are against true free thinking, but Islam is the very worst.  Also, I frequently see people blaming the bombings and 9/11 on Jews, which isn't just a distortion - it's plain bad.

I disagree that Christianity is against free thinking.  It's against (or used to be against) degenerate, self-destructive behavior, but it's not against non-degenerate free thinking.

Free thinking often isn't that useful.  The scientific method, yes.  Free thinking in other areas, not so much.

Strictly speaking, is it a good thing that we are allowed to have unlimited amounts of porn available 24/7 on the internet?  Is it damaging to people, to relationships, and to society?  Would we all be better off if there were checks in place to reduce the amount of porn on the internet?

I don't think porn should be legal.  That is 100% against free thought.

I am sure there are legitimate concerns, but I've seen too many coming up with conspiracy theories.  I don't do conspiracy theories.  I do hard fact.

Except when people provide sources.

When Muslims are responsible for the massive number of atrocities world wide, I do not suddenly say "JEWS!".  It doesn't make any sense to do that, especially when you take a few hours to study the life of Muhammad and the Koran and Hadith (which is the life of Muhammad mostly).

It should also be noted that a lot of Muslims still believe that 9/11 was an inside job by the Jews to discredit them. It's this kind of nonsense I have no time for.

Oh - and here's the latest

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36658187

I'm only concerned with Muslim attacks that damage ethnic Europeans.  They can kill each other all the want, as long as they don't kill my people.

 

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Basically, you are an antisemite. Perhaps this thread is the place for it, after-all.  Since that also seems to curry favour with the far left.  I hope I am not correct in thinking that you also consider the Holocaust to be a myth? [edit. I was correct.  Sigh.] It's a shame, too, because we need people like you to fight against the tyranny of Islam, but this anti-Jew rhetoric is a liability and makes things ten times worse. It pushes people away from the debating table and makes my side of the debate look like it's dominated by rabid racists out to preserve the world for White Guy.  As I have said repeatedly, it isn't Jews or any other group slaughtering people all over the world and spreading Sharia Law like Tyrion Lannister does Wild Fire.

Well when your local Jewish community advocates bringing Muslims in don't come running to me for help

The Catholic church and other religious people are already doing that in Britain - so they'll have to get in line.

https://ctbi.org.uk/how-the-churches-are-responding-to-the-refugee-crisis/
http://rcdow.org.uk/news/london-churches-prepare-to-welcome-refugees/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34220258

The biggest reason we have a soaring Muslim population (and immigrant population in general) - that's only going to get worse - is the poor leftist education system, traitorous politicians that line their own pockets, and useful idiots, like the ones mentioned above. It isn't some Jewish conspiracy. I don't need to go looking for a scapegoat when I can just talk to my own deluded family (non Jewish), their friends (non Jewish), my friends (non Jewish), and listen to the MPs and celebrities (largely non Jewish) of Britain.  That's reality - not a hocus pocus cauldron of blame to one section of society. Note, I am even blaming MY OWN FAMILY for contributing to this.

If I were going to look for a scapegoat, I'd have to start with the Christian denominations who welcome dangerous people into the country with open arms (and like in Sweden, state that it's a great thing).  But, see, that's where logic kicks in for me... I don't see a big behind the scenes scheme, I see a bunch of silly, naive people, who have no logic but honourable intentions.  Like my own family. Because that's reality.  There is no scheme.  There are just dumb people, naive people, and devious politicians that want to further their leftie self-hating cause.

All you need to do is go online and look at the people holding up "Refugees welcome" placards.  Most of these people are ordinary citizens. So why should I blame the Jews for it?  If your logic were applied, I'd actually have to believe that most people I know are secret Jews.

I'm only concerned with Muslim attacks that damage ethnic Europeans.  They can kill each other all the want, as long as they don't kill my people.

Then that's another thing we disagree on.  I care about all people. I don't think we should interfere with these places, because we end up getting another Iraq/Afgan.  But I do care.  You could just have easily been born there. They are humans, not "other people". They are as much a victim of Islam as we are.

You must be Jewish.  There's no other explanation for your incredible capacity for double-think.

The ultimate conspiracy theory. It does the rounds an awful lot, although it's the first time I have been accused of being part of the evil and all-seeing organization that's out to get you.

There is another explanation - and I have given it to you in this post.  I don't suppose that it will change your mind, because you're already sure that the world is made up of powerful all-seeing Jewish overlords that are in control of everything - and actually plot their own destruction. It really is possible to have an opinion contrary to yours without being part of the grand conspiracy you think exists.  But I am not even sure yet if you are a troll or not.