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My layman's perspective on this is that natural compound could be just as effective as synthetic ones.  After all, we don't "create" synthetic compunds from thin air but we extract them from nautral sources and process them so I don't see why a ntural plant can't be as effective as an extracted compound.  Maybe there's aisde effects associated with some plants and potency issues though but I'm sure some plants are suitable but some ailments.

Ancient medicine used teas and herbs to heal and people don't usually do things like that when they don't work.  They might not be extremely effective but they did have some positive impact which we now have the tools to assess and quantity.

As for the whole conspiracy theories, I just don't buy it.  I agree there would be challenges in getting people to adopt natural compound but a company doing research in those fields, doing the double blind studies and having the marketing funds to advertise and make their research and products known will succeed at doing so.  Maybe it'll be divisons of big pharmas doing that as I'd expect these natural compounds to come in pill form as well.  Pharmas have been complaining that the "easy" molecules have all been looked at and that it's increasingly expensive to do R&D.  Sooner or later, they'll need to take a different approach.
 
conspiracy theory is such a convenient word isn't it. It allows for such blatant disregard of REALITY its just sickening. If your so blind that you can't see the policies and procedures set in place that are obviously and clearly designed and implemented to kill people and control population then I can't help you. If your so ignorant of evolutionary theory than you think that something like HIV can just come out of a monkey one day and wind up being the most unstoppable virus ever designed I can't help you. If you don't realize how many CHILDREN are starving to death as we speak as cooperation make a profit off of destroying their land and economies then I really can't fucking help you.

As for natural compounds, nobody seems to realize that synthetic compounds can't even be absorbed by the body. On average, only 5 to 10% of a prescription drug is absorbed. Again if your too ignorant of evolutionary theory to understand why this makes sense, I can't help you. Take a class. Anyway, the problem is not potency, plants can be concentrated.

It is of little consequence whether you believe me right now or not, ten years from now my company will be a household name and 50 years from now we will completely revolutionize medicine as we know it today. So I assure you, you will be jumping on the bandwagon sooner or later, given that you survive long enough. Everyone has an agenda, you can't trust ANYBODY, no matter which journal they publish in, no matter their profession, no matter their background. People distort the truth for monetary and social gain, this is a widely known fact. I assume you will accept that much.

The man who runs my company has an agenda as well. His father owned the first insurance company in South Korea and became a billionaire. His father was diagnosed with liver cirrhosis and given six months to live. Desperate, this man tried everything until a friend convinced him to try drinking aloe vera, that it "might give him an extra few months". To his great amazement it ended up curing his disease and he lived for 22 more long years (and might I add, didn't die from liver cirrhosis), which were dedicated to growing and researching aloe on a scale that nobody have ever done on a plant in history, that is with pharmaceutical grade equipment.

When the company was handed down to his son, this new leader expanded his fathers vision. In short we are now responsible for contracting numerous organizations and universities who in turn send out trained ethno-botanists into these cultures. They live with them, they study them, they go with them to pick the plants, they write down which part of the plant is picked, at what time of the year, and how they prepare it. once they have all this information recorded, they bring a sample back to lab where they can divide it into 88 fractions, further isolating the active compounds. Using pharma grade R & D, we are able to identify the specific natural molecule responsible for the benefit, as well as find new potential uses that were not in practice by traditional healers. You cannot patent a plant, but you can patent a specific compound or specific molecule that no one prior to our company has found. With both our labs combined, we have collected about 17,000 known medicinal herbs and plants and brought them in for complete study. This is about half of all the known medicinal plants on the planet, which there are about 35,000 of. This has taken approximately 14 years to do. In total our global conglomerate has been around 35+ years. We outsource a lot of our patents to other companies as well as the fact that we have our own unique fully family owned and globally initiated distribution company of our very own, so believe me their is no shortage of money to fund this research and millions of dollars worth of clinical trials and testing.

To date, we have over 177 patents and patents pending. I think the next nutrition company behind us as about 4. So perhaps this will put into perspective the uniqueness of this specific company. We also have land purchased in every climate zone, so that when we find a plant of interest, we can grow it, at the highest standard of organic farm that I have ever seen, and supply the highest quality ingredients, which can then be concentrated at our manufacturing site, which has a lot of the same equipment as the lab for isolating the compounds and concentrating the dose. All of this is owned fully, by the same man, who's vision it is, ultimately, through a 100 year plan, to revolutionize medicine completely. One last thing, we are the only nutrition company with any sort of quality control to speak of. Which means that before and after packaging we test the potency and purity and if there is not as much of exactly what we say there is in the bottle and nothing else then we don't send it out. Plain and simple.

But hey don't believe me. This family is literally the most honored family in South Korea. I will give you a hint, our CEO's mother and sister run the highest regarded University in their country. Right now, our CEO gives away more food than any man in the world, and our charitable branch is probably the fastest growing charity in the world. So don't believe me, plenty of people will come along who see the opportunity, see a genuine purpose, and we have no shortage of brave thinkers who are not afraid to push boundaries.

In the end, in every generation there are always a majority of people saying that something can't be done, or that it is impossible, but ultimately, in every generation, there are those who say "no, your all wrong". These are the people who revolutionize our understanding and eventually become widely accepted. Praise to the brave souls who aren't afraid to see the truth without having to wait a hundred years for the majority opinion to change.

So I'll say again. Good luck, because if your putting your life and trust in Big Pharma, your definitely gonna need it.

so you might be wondering at this point, "why haven't I heard of this company." Two major reasons, our distribution is the latest adition to the family. We had the farms, the labs and the manufacturing all getting set up and ready to go for about 2 and a half decades before we started distributing anything under the family name. We have only about 10 years under our belt which is what it usually takes a company to get everything up and running. We haven't wasted it and in fact far exceeded what most companies do in their first ten years. In another ten years I assure you we will be a household name. We are actually the first company of our kind to be allowed access to distribute in China. We are expanding all the time. So keep your eyes out.
 
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Metabolites from chemical compounds, whether inherent or pharmaceutical, are formed as part of the natural biochemical process of degrading and eliminating the compounds. The rate of degradation of a compound is an important determinant of the duration and intensity of its action.

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A conspiracy theory is a fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by exceptionally powerful and cunning conspirators to achieve a malevolent end.
According to political scientist Michael Barkun, the appeal of conspiracism is threefold: First, conspiracy theories claim to explain what mainstream narratives cannot. They appear to make sense out of a world that is otherwise confusing. Second, they do so in an appealingly simple way, by dividing the world sharply between the forces of light and the forces of darkness. They trace all evil back to a single source, the conspirators and their agents. Third, conspiracy theories are often presented as special, secret knowledge unknown or unappreciated by others. For conspiracy theorists, the masses are a brainwashed herd, while the conspiracy theorists in the know can congratulate themselves on penetrating the plotters' deceptions.

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Snake oil...the most common usage of the phrase is as a derogatory term for quack medicine. The expression is also applied metaphorically to any product with exaggerated marketing but questionable and/or unverifiable quality or benefit.

It seems that the people who oppose your viewpoint the most are the ones that have close relationships with someone who has one or another form of cancer.  When you describe your understanding of cancer and its cure, these people feel insulted because you are practically telling them their loved ones developed cancenr because they did not engage in a healthy lifestyle and they have misplaced faith in modern medicine - when many of these people have only survived this long due to modern medicine.  If the method you speak of is as effective as you claim it is, I would suggest making as much noise about it as possible so that you can get on with saving people's lives.  For those of us close to cancer victims, we would probably gladly try your machine it was available to us and it actually works, but until that time arrives perhaps you shouldn't call them idiots for utilizing other options to extend their lives; especially those who have experienced successful remission.
 
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stop acting like I have never been close to anyone with cancer. I am sure just about everyone has in this day and age. In case you weren't paying attention I changed my major to a medical field so yeah, I will be making plenty of noise don't be worrying about that. I would like to help as many people as possible, which is why I try. Insults are of little injury if somebody finds positive benefit from anything I say.

Anyway I love how its always assumed that conspiracy theories are the work of uneducated individuals. I won't say any more. I know people who work for the NSA, I know people who worked at NORAD, my best friend is a poli-sci major who is it close with a lot of these politics and there ain't no theory involved. I have seen with my own eyes the corrupt agendas of these individuals. But I know for a fact that nobody will listen so I won't bother with that. Believe what you want, maybe someone will actually do their research and benefit off of what I have to say here. As I said before modern medicine has a place, don't twist my argument. I am simply saying that dangerous pharms and chemo should be a last resort and not the only option. As for not living a healthy lifestyle, I am sorry but that's just the way mother nature is. She doesn't care how much you love your mother, unfortunately if you don't take care of yourself (many times through no fault of your own, because of lack of accurate nutritional information) your body will begin to degenerate. I suppose there are some people who like to pretend that life ain't so brutal. As a future healer, I do not have that convenience. I am forced to look at the truth which is that mother nature does not like weakness. I have plenty of compassion and empathy for these people, I have lost a lot of loved ones myself. But mother nature unfortunately has strict rules, and if you follow her law, she will reward you with a long productive life. If you don't well, you know.
 
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I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows the president.  I also know a guy who knows a guy who was a friend of a brother of the CEO of a big Pharma Corp.  See how silly that sounds?  I have never once said that your intent wasn't to help people or that your methods wouldn't work.  I just expressed scepticism of the information you've provided.  I most certainly agree that living a healthy lifestyle and keeping a good diet etc. are good for you.  Hell, I would even agree that such a lifestyle probably reduces your likelihood of developing cancer.  But it definetely does not prevent cancer.  And you are not working on something that eliminates cancer from any person with any cancer.  The prescence of corruption is not the prescence of absolute corruption.  Once again, I agree there is corruption and sinister motives for many establishments.  It has been proven time and time again!  But you do not assume absolute corruption indicriminantly.  "Trust no one" may be a beneficial motto to live by for some, but that does not mean that there are not those worthy of your trust.  Do you think these people emerged from the womb as CEOs of Medical/Drug/etc. companies?  At some point, some of them also decided they would help people.  Mother nature may have her blueprints and her laws, but a blueprint is far different from the product is represents and laws only have power over that which they govern.  Many cancer survivors would argue that emotional support, family ties, and faith in God are responsible for their survival.  Many of these people were given a prognosis of death.  Certainly they aren't subject to the same set of laws that you speak of.
 
Thats not even close to what I said. one my friend's dad has a bachelors in electrical engineering, bachelors in computer science and a masters in physics.he worked for the nsa for twenty years. Thats just one example. My mentor specialized it cancer treatment for 30 years. Never once has he administered surgery or chemo. Hes got something else that works. Ive seen it. I dont have time right now to break down all my connections as I am typing from a phone. But instead of mocking me why not look into it yourself and " prove me wrong if you can." As far as god family and faith, thats part of nature. There is no stepping outside of mother nature, no matter our attempts to distort her image. Proven fact, a sense of community boosts anabolic hormones which in turn help your body fight much better. Its all part of the same cycle. I am not demonizing pharms. Nor the world at large.
 
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I dont think that is the way it works yarLson. If you are trying to convince skeptics of something making them prove you wrong is not the way to go about it. You need to prove yourself right. Telling us that you have seen these treatments work is not proof either. As it stands I cannot make an honest opinion on the matter, i have no evidence either way. I did look at that link you posted but the site is not very well designed and I was not able to find what I was looking for.

At one time people believed the sun rotated about the earth. It took more then a few people just saying it was the other way around before belief changed.
 
Well I hope you're right man.  Sorry for communicating so strongly, but if your cure for cancer does not do what you claim, it would do some serious psychological, and therefore physiological, damage to those fighting cancer once they heard these claims and it did not cure them.  <--- This is the only reason I asserted my skepticism so strongly.  If I saw your mentor on the news with his cure and took my mom to go try it out for $XXXXX.xx and it failed to work, we would be in a much weaker position to fight the cancer than we previously were.  I'm sure you can understand this, and I hold no hard feelings towards you personally.  I understand that you wish to help people, and that is admirable.  Good luck with your cure, I hope it becomes commercially available sooner than later (if it works as you say it does).

*I don't think we can escape the hold of Mother Nature, but I do think that we, as a species, have a fatally flawed understanding of such things.  Language itself is partially responsible for this - some of the things that you include in the category of mother nature, I include in the category of human existence, which I do not consider the same.  Thoughts, beliefs, and emotions exist because humans create them; mother nature just created the potential for them to exist.

I often disagree with your Philosophical position, but I think your projects are great and I share a deep interest in the types of topics you post about.  I'll try and keep it more objective next time a good discussion comes up, maybe you should too.
 
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Sorry to hear about your dad, Template.
Thanks so much, sincerely. I think that's what I was secretly hoping to get from posting that, anyway, just some empathy. Which is kinda selfish, I guess.

Not that you'd bother to find out for yourself, right? I'm sick of lazy people like you just eating from the hand that kills you. Be my guest, DON'T BELIEVE ME. Go ahead and choke on all those pharms for all I care. I have no regard for unscientific opinions boy.

have a nice day :]

p.s.
science = organized experimentation

not senselessly believing in popular opinion

good luck. you're gonna need it
But yah, we wont be zapping my dad with any sound waves so he's probably as good as dead. Anyway, pharmaceuticals aren't really an issue here because there aren't any being offered. Chemo-therapy isn't a good option because it tends to weaken the immune system. For a merkel-cell patient that generally just kills them faster.
 
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Template, you totally have my sympathies and need not feel selfish for it. (I have to admit this thread got so long-winded that I missed your post the first time around -- since Opine is the only one who properly responded to it I assume I'm not alone). I'm pleased to hear that your dad's case is presenting hope for himself and future patients. I'd recently wondered the viability and effectiveness of transferring or replicating extraordinary T-cells -- sort of like an immune system transplant. Keep us (or me, at least) updated on both your dad's condition and the treatment's development.
 
Thanks so much, sincerely. I think that's what I was secretly hoping to get from posting that, anyway, just some empathy. Which is kinda selfish, I guess.
Not at all. It's hard to have someone close to you go through something, without knowing of a way to help them. I hope he is able to fight the "infection" off.
 
So the plan is for infusion of replicated blood cells mid September... really good news. There has been some recent success in fighting Leukemia this way. They will follow this up with something called interferon, which I don't know much about. I guess it's supposed to help the immune-system recognize cancers as a threat. The team is also planning to use some sort of radiation following the infusions.

Also, I looked into it a little bit, and radio-frequency ablation is certainly not BS, it's just not for every situation. I think that was the Rife machines' technology? Similar anyway. This was specifically what I was referring to when I said something sounded like BS, just seems far-fetched, but it isn't. Honestly the website you pointed to made it look really hokey. Sorry :D

/cheers
 
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Most pharmaceutical companies make their money by treating symptoms not the illness itself, no money in healthy people.
 
Most pharmaceutical companies make their money by treating symptoms not the illness itself, no money in healthy people.
No money in letting people die when you could offer a treatment, either.
 
for the record, sounds waves do not zap anything...
in any case. I give up for now. I'll come back this when I have my doctorate and am more thoroughly informed on the inner workings of the process
 
Isn't there some sort of rule about not trying to sell stuff on here?
 
Although I'm not good with arguments, personal experience is my point here. In many ways am I effected by the Pro's and Con's of pharmaceuticals.

Pro's being that personally, my mother has recently undergone surgeries and such to help her deteriorating body to at LEAST prolong the inevitable. The fact that it is working is good enough for me to be able to have that extra time with someone I love dearly. The fact that she can live this life with as little pain as possible through the medical achievements that she is able to benefit from makes it that much more worth while.

The Con's Being that I personally went through many years on different medications for ADHD. Ritalin, Adderall and such. Even Medications for Depression ( as they believe that goes hand in hand with ADHD, Which i personally believe ADHD to be a personality trait not an ailment.) Zoloft ( HA... one of the side effects is depression go figure...) Dexidrine and more.

My point being, We can't exactly say that pharmaceuticals are for health alone. Everyone's gotta make money somehow. Medications that are helpful, and medications that are created just for monetary gain are just a way to make money whether or not its purposeful.

All in all, Given the chance, I would support Pharmaceutical companies completely in all aspects. May be strange, but I believe in a portion of the work that comes out of there and that portion has actually been proven to work.

I'm not trying to argue for, nor am I arguing against. Just stating opinion and I'll leave it at that
 
That sucks about your expereiences with ADHD medication as it is one of the more research-rich areas in psychotopic pharmacology.  The different types of medications are because certain companies will procure patents on certain chemical combinations.  Also, as new generations of "cleaner" medications are developed, they may have had you try them out in an effort to reduce the number of side effects you were experiencing.  While as many as 1 in 4 individuals with ADHD have comorbid depression, they may have been prescribing anti-depressants because many anti-depressants have similar effects to stimulants likes Ritalin and Adderall, but require fewer maintanence doses and once the serum levels plateau in your system offer a more consistent pattern of symptom reduction.  Or it could be that you had a PCP prescribing your Psychotropic medication instead of a Psychiatrist which, unfortunately, occurs ~85% of the time. 

I know that was a bit unneccessary, but I saw an opportunity to use some info from a recent grad course so I took it.
 
I'm not selling anything either. In fact I went out of my way to keep my companies name a secret. I dunno about you, but if somebody I loved was in trouble I would at least be willing to look into any possible treatment available from a scientifically objective viewpoint.  Rather than just making uneducated remarks and tasteless jokes and just assuming that I am wrong.  But hey, to each his own.  I'll say one more time.  I don't care if you believe me.  This information was intended for anybody with a little bit of courage to step outside the box of what is traditionally accepted.  If you don't have any faith in the miraculous capabilities of the planet that miraculously gave birth to our entire reality... then honestly I can't argue with you and you win. At least in your own little way.  Hopefully personal satisfaction is worth forsaking something that might be of value to you.
 
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