WIP - battle scene mods!

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I've spoken about it before, and i finally got around to ripping out a battle scene.

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epicing it out + hi resolution textures and inserting back into game is imminent.

if anyone has any reference art or conceptual art that was used for any battle scenes it'd b nice to see, as a lot of things in the scene are kind of vague and i'm not sure what everything is :P

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okay before i start making a high poly model of this, i need some suggestions/ input.

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the flat ground has a bajillion polies in it... n it makes me wonder if they're for something... i would've just made one flat square... cuz thats all it is. any ides on this?

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in this shot we see on the edges of the main area (not the sky ring) these shadowy areas, with.. building side? windows? chunks of train? they're only in the middle of each side, and i have no idea what they are supposed to be. I'm not quite sure how they look ingame.

wait, looking closer i can tell they're walls, with a wire along the middle, but the issue is, why are they only shown in some parts, and not entirely circling the battle scene? If somebody can grab me some ingame shots it'd be great (my ff7 isnt working atm, and i dont have a psx copy onhand)
 
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Those extra polygons are there to add pre-calculated lighting to the scene. The floor is tiled and each tile has a different tone of white so when it gets textured, texels are darkened on the dark places.
 
If they are only for shadows, Aali mentioned something about trying to get true lighting into battle.  And since he's pretty much done everything he's said he will, I would count on him being able to get lighted battle scenes.

I say go ahead and make your big square :-)
 
Very nice! Do you have any documentation on how and where these scenes are stored? Are they the files in battle.lgp?
I'm still playing with ideas myself...
 
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they're in battle lgp, this one is ocaa, and all the battle scenes are close to it.
 
Are there limits to what you can do to these? Could you, say, replace them with something completely different if you wanted to? Do things like filesize, area size, etc matter when placing them back in?
 
:p i'll tell you when i try and get it working

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redid the texture for the gorund and made a curb... its not great, and might completely redo it, but a taste of what can be done.

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as far as i can tell there just like any other battle model in the game so all the same rules apply however whats the point in makeing them possitively huge when you really only get to see a little bit in battle due to the lake of being able to edit camera data at this stage
 
as far as i can tell there just like any other battle model in the game so all the same rules apply however whats the point in makeing them possitively huge when you really only get to see a little bit in battle due to the lake of being able to edit camera data at this stage
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Yeah. I vote that someone study those camdatx.bin files and find timings for those camera positions. They don't look GZipped or LZSed so they're probably raw something. They look indexed, but I see a lot of 801Ah's floating around in them.
 
the main purpose of this is to increase poly count of battle scenes, up the texture resolution. as for the camera, i dont really mind how it moves or what it does... i'd rather be able to modify the character animations.
 
That ground is ugly as sin, but it's a good example of the potential of a project like this. I hadn't thought about how blocky the old battle scene textures were until now.
 
someone may or may not be working on that or thats the hinti got no pointing any fingers *cough*Borde*cough* but really if you can read them with some time and alot of hex editing you can do it **da being the files you have to play with also on qhimmwiki FF7 there is a whole code perty much devoted to battle animation however the difficulty lyes in the player character battle animation because its slightly different to the regular way of doing it.

there are 6 people to consult about battle animations due to the face each have got them working outside FF7 to varying degrees
Seb
Borde
Alhexx
L.Spiro
Akari
Qhimm << the man himself

i vote character animations first then cam data
 
I myself like the floor Coverr, only issue i see is the tears, But i think thats from blender because they aren't ingame.
 
to become even close to a "remake" in my mind, it'd have to at least have new battle/field animations which include model deforming, instead of the awful "model part" skeleton system thing square did for FF7. don't know how easy that would be to accomplish, if possible at all. but yeah. that and some voice acting maybe. *coughFF7voicecough* :-P
but yeah, even if we could get some new animations in there, i doubt there'd be any way to get 'em to deform the model, unless a completely new bone system was introduced. but then where would that be stored? arrgh im confusing myself :|
 
to become even close to a "remake" in my mind, it'd have to at least have new battle/field animations which include model deforming, instead of the awful "model part" skeleton system thing square did for FF7. don't know how easy that would be to accomplish, if possible at all. but yeah. that and some voice acting maybe. *coughFF7voicecough* :-P
but yeah, even if we could get some new animations in there, i doubt there'd be any way to get 'em to deform the model, unless a completely new bone system was introduced. but then where would that be stored? arrgh im confusing myself :|
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And us chibi lovers still have to put up with blocky field models  :|

Well, at least they have a retro charm  :-)
 
yeah, you're actually right, voices would kinda suck without lip syncing, which would require an insane amount of animation, and probably scripting too.

also, its not too hard to make battle models chibi. i've done it before with sephiroth, one of the hardest to mod imo and i expected it to be absolutely rubbish, but i was actually quite pleased with the results. all it takes is an hour here and there for each character of resizing crap.
 
also, its not too hard to make battle models chibi. i've done it before with sephiroth, one of the hardest to mod imo and i expected it to be absolutely rubbish, but i was actually quite pleased with the results. all it takes is an hour here and there for each character of resizing crap.
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Well, that'll work for field models that have battle equivalents, but there's still the issue of the NPCs   :?

yeah, you're actually right, voices would kinda suck without lip syncing, which would require an insane amount of animation, and probably scripting too.
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Not to mention that doing voices one of the most time-consuming things and is a talent rather than a skill, so (with no offence intended to those working on the project) the chances of us being able to have professional quality voiceovers is low. Meh, I prefer RPGs without voices ayway.
 
Please... No battle Chibi's @.@
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We were talking about using the battle models to turn into chibis for the field; there are no plans to have chibi battle models  :lol:

Then again... :-P
 
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