Yes, it's now my turn to ask for advice on a major system up

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i take that class next year.

goku> dont peirce the darkness.........
 
LOL.

Don't worry.  It's talking about a different darkness.  Frank Peretti is a Christian author, and those two books are about a fictional spiritual battle between God's angels, and Satan's demons.  It's really cool.
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Goku7:  Condensation will probably not occur because the water temperature is usually above room temperature.  If you install it well, and you don't mess with it so much, it should be safe.

-vvalentine
 
I just watched that video of the the processors overheating, and it looks.... interesting. But I still wonder why they did it with no heat sink, isn't failing fans more common? I have had 2 failed fans but never a heatsink falling off.
 
I did the same thing with a matrox G220, Glued on the heatsink only to watch as the glue caught fire then falling into a pci slot therefore rendering it useless. To this day I still can't be bothered to get the charred remains of that glue out of the pci slot.
 
hehe my glue got all soft and the heatsink (or whatever it was) slid off.
 
Ok.  My dad had me talk with this store rep that he knows, and now the current new machine specs we've settled on are:

CPU: Pentium4, 1.4Ghz

Mobo:I forget the exact model number onhand, but they are offering a Jetway board.

Memory:Still the same, and that is 256megs of DDR RAM.

Total Price of components:$410

These specs are still hypothetical, but this is what they're willing to give me, since my dad has worked with this particular store for a few years. (READ: he's a valued customer)
 
wish my dad was a valued anything some where, besides goodwill(if it wasnt a major corpate company nw he prorably would be,not kiddin) like for instance he got me a "new" bike there, it cost $7. it was an old itialan pos roadbike. blew a flat on it the second or thirs day i had it. and he has botten atleast $1000 worth of records there. i hate goodwill for being coroporate
 
just a little random irrelevance one post up......

you can get a 1.9 athlon, gigabyte mobo, and 512 meg of ram for about 50 dollars more.

btw: pentiums and ddr dont mix
 
It's called Jetway.  The main reason they suggested it was because it has support for DDR, P4, and an ISA slot.

The board also has a gameport, so if it does any better than the pitiful one my XG card has (the one that forgets the calibration every time windows starts up), then I can forego putting the SBAWE64 in, since I won't need its joystick port anymore......

Anyway, they said they're gonna let me bring my gamepad in to the store and test out whether or not the gameport on the Jetway board will forget the calibration.  That'll be on this coming tuesday or wednesday.

SiS chipset?  When I go back to test the gameport, I'll take a closer look at the board; see if the chipset is a SiS chipset.
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Well...the price is right. Go for it!

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I still like Athlon more than the P4, though.

However, if you must go with the P4....get the Rambus, don't go DDR. Your going to be really, really disappointed with DDR performance on a P4. Athlon can pull it off, but the P4 can't. The P4 was really designed around the Rambus architecture, for better or worse.

If you really want to go DDR, and don't want an AMD, look into the P3's. The architecture of the P3 is more suited towards DDR, than the P4.

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BTW: The 1.2 Athlon 266fsb CPU (that's revision C) is equivalent to the P4, 1.4. (give or take)

So...what exactly are you getting for the 410?
(you might not be getting a deal)

Epox EP-8k7a (with Raid chip) = $105 dollars (American)
256DDR Memory = $62
1.2 rev.C athlon = $83

Total = $253

Once you add the extras....case, storage, input devices, etc......you end up adding at least 800 dollars to the price. And if your cannibalizing another system....the Athlon is still, 160 dollars cheaper.


Honestly....If your going Intel....you might as well get a Dell system....complete with 17" monitor, printer, scanner, speakers, software. Probably can get a complete, P4 1.4gig for about $899, maybe less.

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I guess I should be here talking too... Intel hates gamers... AMD cares about them but has worse support for games than Intel. This is a strange world... :z
 
Well...I'm not sure that applies anymore. AMD has a higher FPU calculation than Intel right, now. In the past that was what killed AMD. As far as Intel hating gamers.....I don't see it. If that's true, why are they playing a number game with the Mhz.

I may sound bias....but I'm, really, not. Right now it's AMD. Tomorrow it may be Intel. When Intel puts out a product that beats a mhz to mhz war. I'll switch alliegences....Or if AMD goes out of Buisness. It could happen...it happened to 3dfx.
 
Ok.  I've looked over everything, and it looks like everything will work fine.  Thanks for your advice, everyone.

Oh, yeah --- one more thing of a slightly comical nature.  You see, the store had all the components except for the P4 1.4GHz, which they they had to special order because they didn't have any in stock.  So, we said, "OK" and right as we start up the truck, the same store employee walks up to us and says, "the P4 1.4's are in short supply, I won't be able to get any in time for christmas.  BUT, they do have the P4 1.5GHz available in that time frame.  There's only a fifteen dollar difference."

Needless to say, we took him up on the offer.  So, now my system's gonna be a 1.5 instead of a 1.4! :D
 
Not only do AMD's chips beat Intel's in speed rating, but I think that AMD's chips have been alot more stable lately.  Remember the P3 Recall a little over a year ago?   And the RAMBUS P4 recall (which brings up another point . . . I thought the P4s that were being manufactured today were little more than beefed up P3 coppermines, I not really sure.)

Back when it was PII vs K6-2, Intel was by far the winner; but AMD's gotten much better, and, IMO, Intel's going downhill in their quallity.
 
Well, I believe congratulations are in order.

This is the first message I'm typing on my shiny, brand-spanking new 1.5Ghz system.  :D

Yes, it's an Intel P4.  I tested FF7PC, FF8PC, and FF9 PSX (running on the ePSXe emulator, at 640X480 resolution) on it already.

I'm still drooling from the smoothness and speed of everything!  Heck, I'm even thinking about testing FF8's software render in full screen mode and see how fast it goes.

In case your wondering how the transition during the upgrade went, crash-wise, I am happy to report Win98SE detected everything, and installed all the mobo drivers perfectly, without a single crash or conflict.

Again, thank you for your advice.  Now, I'll think I'll go play FF9 at a resolution that will make the people using a PS2 for that envious!!
MWHAHAHAHA!! :rotfl:

ahem....Sorry.  I just don't know what got into me.
 
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