A Different FF7 story view...or the same one..(spoilers)

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If Jenova have their own DNA (ex - Mitochondria and etc.)
Yeah, it will produce RNA and mutate (injected person!)
 
I forgot literally everything in biology. All I remember was the teacher handing out crappy busy-work. She would then make us dissect pig fetuses, and force us to NOT know anything about what we are doing. Then, she'd hit us in the head with a baseball bat while we're not looking.

I briefly remember RNA, but the teacher didn't try hard enough to explain it. What a WHORrible teacher. I hated high school freshmanism.
 
Hojo IS Sephiroth's Dad, thus the similarities. Lucrecia and Vincent both explain to you during the course of the game that Lucrecia was seduced by Hojo. Hojo is THAT evil, he experimented on his own son. He injected Jenova cells into Lucrecia and then the fetal Sephiroth while he was still in the womb. Plus, he went through Mako-radiation treatments while he was a young child.
 
Lucrecia and Vincent both explain to you during the course of the game that Lucrecia was seduced by Hojo
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C'mon. No man as ugly as Hojo could seduce ANY woman. Look at that freak. He looks like an in-bred neanderthal the way his forehead extends from the rest of his face. The "monkeyface" gene was a recessive one, so sephiroth didn't end up like that FREAK!

Lucrecia probably got really drunk one night while she and Hojo shared a box of wine. Damn, that "scientist" is a cheap idiot, too. The next morning, Lucrecia pops in the room and says "I'm pregnant". Hojo puts his hands together menacingly and says "excellent". Hojo was surprised that he was able to even make a baby. He lasted for two seconds in the bedroom; Wimp. Most idiots like Hojo would say "You're WHAAT?!" and start cursing.

And so Hojo submits Lucrecia to host the first production of the Jenova Project. Silver-haired baby is born, the end.
 
Wait sec... beach girls digs Hojo remember? lol
And it is just a game... btw Rub that wasn't funny...
 
I'd had found it more believable if say Sephiroth WAS the son of one Vince and Lucre...then altered to suit Hojo's needs for an experiment.

U know wut? I DO remember reading about that particular issue...i just don't remember where.....(c'mon 4 years is a long time :z )
 
Really..why? Vincent never got a chance to even prove his love for Lucrecia. She was already with Hojo, so that's why she didn't want him. Vincent tried to prevent Hojo from submitting her to the Jenova project, and was killed for it. "In the name of science" as they would call it.

There might be another view to it. Vincent somehow is the father of Lucrecia's baby, and tries to protect his son by refusing to let Lucrecia participate in the experiment. However, there is absolutely no evidence of that even being true. I do believe that Lucrecia even says something to the effect that she was "naive back then", but I can't remember.

And since at least SOMEONE, Hojo, admits to being Sephiroth's father, I'll have to stick with that. Lucrecia even says that she was in a relationship with him. It's all there. Sure, you can write all the fan-fiction about Vincent being the father, but that idea doesn't go along with what was explained in FF7.
 
Hmm. When discussing FFVII theres a few ways of looking at it:

100% gaurentied facts
Slightly hinted facts
And therory

Theres very little in FFVII thats right 100%, even some of the stuff that is, is controdicted when you pull up the surface of the carpit... but since the game TELL's us Hojo is Sephiroths father I'm assumeing it to be true. However, did they say they ever actually had sex? I'm sure I remember something about that but its been ages.

One thing I keep meaning to do is start FFVII again (I was working though the DRY Psx Usa FFVII a while ago) and note down anything that dosent make sense. I noticed a lot of stuff getting out of Midgar and in Clouds past that was a bit "huh". Could be intresting if me and a few others were to do that...
 
Another thing that needs to be touched on here, while it isn't explained well in the amercan version, in the Japanese, it is clearly explained that the Sephiroth you've seen before the North Crater is a "Psychic Shadow," A projection of Sephiroth's self from his center of power into the rest of the world... I beleive completely that 5 years ago, he was killed, but his will was too strong to submit to the lifestream, so he just flowed through it to the northern crater and Re-coalesced himself... I am also firmly under the beleif that Sephiroth had no control of his actions, he was just a tool for Jenova. So, once Sephiiroth had collected enough energy from the lifestream to form his shadows, Jenova had him send one to retreive her from the Shinra building. And for imprisoning her, and draining the amount of energy they were getting, Jenova had Sephiroth kill Shinra. I beleive that Sephiroth was a much, no MORE of a puppet as Cloud. And I highly doubt that at the end of the game Jenova has been destroyed, in fact, that's the only way I see a sequel working... Actually, I've layed out an entire sequel... in my head....  I need to type it up and see what people think.  On another note... If the guy in the pipe was Zack, wouldn't Aeris recognise him? I mean, even with a haircut, he's still her long-lost love...


Well, that's my 2 cents. For now.

~Contra~
 
Eeeh, I don't remember that... just two weapons were new to me!
A`re maybe only Ruby Red was new to me >.,<
 
Okay.. I better clear this up, before I get in trouble.. I didn't finish a thought there... -I- haven't played the Japanese version.. my Japanese is basica and atrocious... I know people who have, both IRL and online, and they have told me that that was explained... I could be wrong.. If I am, then I still think that's right, it's just a theory. It seems to make sence to me. I've just heard that the Japanese storyline in general is much more coherent than the english one... *shrugs* So... I guess you can say that is hearsay, and not submit it to the court, if you so desire... I'm just helping pwople think.

~Contra~
 
I really doubt that the guy in the tunnel was Zack..

It's just a personal opinion. Aeris would not have been able to recognize him anyways, because it had been about 5 years since she had heard from him. So, it all boils down to that we probably will never know who any of the clones seen in the game were, so I say we just stop thinking about it.
 
I just had an idea: How old are Vincent, Lucrecia, Hojo, and Sephiroth? Sephiroth was born of Lucrecia and Hojo, yeah? Vincent was with Lucrecia before she done the experiment with Hojo. How old does Sephiroth look to you? Late twenties? What did Vincent sleep in, a cryogenic freezer? Just a quick thought, correct me if I'm wrong.

-Dan
 
Okay... I guess this is all just speculation, but I always thought Sephiroth was treated to some sort of growth acceleration... That's just me though.

Vincent is kinda ageless, I don't think he can grow physically older in appearance, just because of the experamentation. That explains his story.

If you accept the growth acceleration theory, it puts 4 things about 15 years ago... The war with Wutai, the birth of Sephiroth, Vincent's torture/sleep, and Aeris' arrival in Midgar. These things all could happen about the same time, because it is that Gast and Ifalna were together in Icicle Inn after Gast left Shinra and Hojo took over, and Aeris arrived while the war was going on, as Elmyra was waiting for her Husband.  Here is a summary, in order.

LEADING UP TO AND AROUND 15 YEARS AGO
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  • War with Wutai begins.
    Gast discovers Jenova.
    Young(er) Hojo interested in Jenova project.
    Gast works on Jenova project, studying the 'Ancient'
    Gast realizes Jenova isn't an ancient. Begins looking for a true ancient.
    Finds Ifalna.
    They fall in love.
    Gast leaves Shinra, flees to Icicle Inn with Ifalna.
    Hojo becomes head of Shinra Science Department, begins working with the Jenova project more. Reactor 1 exparaments begin.
    Aeris Conceived.
    Sephiroth Conceived. (Arguably, Sephiroth's conception is rape... I mean.. would YOU screw Hojo?)
    Sephiroth born, was experamented on in womb. Affected him and Lucrecia. Lucrecia dies in childbirth.
    Vincent (Now a Turk) goes off the handle, bitchslaps Hojo. (This would go with the Rape theory...)
    Vincent tranqed, experamented on, and locked in the basement. He goes to sleep.
    Icicle Inn stormed by Hojo's men, Ifalna flees with Aeris to Midgar, but gets shot in her escape.
    Ifalna and Aeris arrive in Midgar, Ifalna dies, leaving Aeris to Elmyra. (Let it be noted, Midgar probably DIDN'T have the plate structure or the Shinra building then. Shinra only became a true superpower AFTER the war, when they became more than a weapons company. They were only dabbling in Makou at this point.)

You see? It all works out quite well. And if you were to say that Hojo was around 25-30 then, it would make him 40-45 now. It is reasonable to assume that Lucrecia was around 21. Vincent was probably about the same as Hojo, but his appearance is locked from the experamentation. This is how I interpereted the whole thing. Agree or Don't, it's just what I think.

And no, Vinny just slept in an every-day coffin. =\

~Contra~[/list]
 
That was a ghost. o_o I think a side effect of Jenova cells on that level is a near-total inability to remerge with the lifestream after death. Hence, Sephiroth just reforming in the northern cave.  Granted, sephiroth did return to it in the end of the game, but how much work did that take, eh?
 
the thiong said something about "strong will" having to do with not going to lifestream
 
Sephiroth...

Vincent...

Vincent
!!!

Vincent
"That voice?
    It can't be..."

Vincent
"Lucrecia...?"

"Vincent......?"

Vincent
"Lucrecia!!"

"Stay back!!"

Vincent
"Lucrecia...
    You're alive..."

Vincent
"Lucrecia...
    You're alive..."

Lucrecia
"I wanted to disappear...
    I couldn't be with anyone...
    I wanted to die..."

"But the Jenova inside me
    wouldn't let me die..."

Lucrecia
"Lately, I dream a lot of Sephiroth...
    My dear, dear child."

"Ever since he was born
    I never got to hold him, even once..."

"Not even once.
    You can't call me his mother...
    That...is my sin..."

Vincent
"Lucrecia..."

Lucrecia
"Back!!
    Stay back!"

Lucrecia
"Vincent...
    Won't you please tell me?"

Vincent
"......What?"

Lucrecia
"If Sephiroth is still alive?"

"I heard that he died five years ago.
    But I see him in my dreams so often..."

"And I know that physically, like myself,
    he can't die so easily."

"Please, Vincent
    tell me......"

Vincent
"Lucrecia...
    Sephiroth is dead..."

Received "Death Penalty"......

Received "Chaos"......

Vincent
"Lucrecia......"
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Okay.. If I remember correctly, Lucrecia faded both in and out in that scene... She is still alive, but her body died. Hence, she is a ghost.

That is exactly ripped from the PSX version, with the exception of the substitution of strait quotes for the dynamic quotes 7mimc uses. (and this forum doesn't comprehend).
 
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